Problem with menu encoding and The Island

[Rumbah]

Hi!

I ran into a problem while trying to backup The Island.

If I select menu encoding the main menu will work but the scene selection menu will not work anymore. It consists of stills and after the run of DVD-RB it is just a still without a possibility to select anything.
If I backup the DVD without menu encoding, everything is ok.
It's the RC2 version of The Island (didn't use any other programs to edit the DVD) and DVD-RB 1.07.1 .
I saved all the inf, ini and log files so if you need them I can mail them.

Rumbah

[jdobbs]

Ok. Could you send them to me? (dvd-rb@dvd-rb.com)

[jdobbs]

@rumbah

On the attempt that had the trouble, which was true:

1. the menu responded to the remote, but the highlights weren't displayed
2. the highlights were displayed but nothing happened when selected
3. there were no highlights, and nothing happened with the remote

Also, did it act the same way with both a software player and a standalone player?

[Rumbah]

Ok, I sent the mail.

The answer to your questions:

3. there were no highlights, and nothing happened with the remote

I only tested it on software players. I'll try it with a DVD RW on a hardware player later this evening.

[Rumbah]

I tested it on my hardware player and it is the same. No highlights and nothing happens with the remote.

[Rumbah]

I tested it again with 1.07.2 and it does not change anything. The scene selection menu is not working.
I'll try to search another dvd where some menu parts are stills and see if the error occures there, too.

[jdobbs]

I've done a lot of DVDs with stills in the menu in testing.... I can't imagine what this might be... I'll keep looking at it.

[blutach]

@Rumbah - try a MenuShrink on the DVD Rebuilder (http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/) processed menu. There's a neat log showing errors (if any - in particular, the absence or misplacement of subpic packs). If the menu shrinks OK, you can see if that fixes the problem.

Another idea is to do a mock strip of the menu. There may be some corrupted pointers. I know this is just a temporary fix.

Regards

[jdobbs]

@Rumbah

I just did a test of the NTSC version. It has the same problem with scene selection. The other menus appear to work correctly, but in scene selection -- even though I get the subpictures, it doesn't seem to change the display. I think it's responding, though, because I get audio changes... Odd. There definitely seems to be something unique in the way the scene selection works on that DVD... I'll research it and get it updated. In the meantime, if you're in a hurry, I'd suggest you do that one without menu encoding.

I certainly seem to have underestimated the complexity involved in menu encoding...

I'll keep you updated.

Thanks.

[Rumbah]

Ok, running MenuShrink after DVDRB really fixes the menu (of course everything consits of stills now). I got the following log:
Processing F:\The_Island fertig\DVDFILES\VIDEO_TS -- MenuShrink Versio
2.41
Shrinking VTS_04_0.VOB, not keeping audio
Selecting the I-frame 85% into the menu.
Found Video Format: PAL
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/1 with 15 buttons at sector 0
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/2 with 16 buttons at sector 31
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 32
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/3 with 16 buttons at sector 62
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 63
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/4 with 9 buttons at sector 92
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 93
Updating VTS_04_0.IFO
Done...

Shrinking VTS_02_0.VOB, not keeping audio
Selecting the I-frame 85% into the menu.
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/1 with 14 buttons at sector 0
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/2 with 14 buttons at sector 34
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 35
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/3 with 13 buttons at sector 70
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 71
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/4 with 13 buttons at sector 108
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 109
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/5 with 13 buttons at sector 145
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 146
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/6 with 13 buttons at sector 183
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 184
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/7 with 13 buttons at sector 221
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 222
Found VOB/CELL ID 2/1 with 0 buttons at sector 259
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 260
Found VOB/CELL ID 2/2 with 4 buttons at sector 1839
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 6956
Found VOB/CELL ID 2/3 with 4 buttons at sector 8055
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 13295
Fixing subpic timed stop command. Stream 0x20
Fixing subpic timed stop command. Stream 0x21
Found VOB/CELL ID 3/1 with 7 buttons at sector 14306
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 14307
Found VOB/CELL ID 3/2 with 6 buttons at sector 14340
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 14341
Found VOB/CELL ID 3/3 with 3 buttons at sector 14374
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 14375
Found VOB/CELL ID 4/1 with 2 buttons at sector 14399
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 14400
Found VOB/CELL ID 5/1 with 0 buttons at sector 14428
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 14429
Found VOB/CELL ID 5/2 with 4 buttons at sector 16010
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 21125
Found VOB/CELL ID 5/3 with 4 buttons at sector 22224
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 27467
Fixing subpic timed stop command. Stream 0x20
Fixing subpic timed stop command. Stream 0x21
Found VOB/CELL ID 6/1 with 7 buttons at sector 28477
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 28478
Found VOB/CELL ID 6/2 with 6 buttons at sector 28511
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 28512
Found VOB/CELL ID 6/3 with 3 buttons at sector 28545
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 28546
Found VOB/CELL ID 7/1 with 2 buttons at sector 28570
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 28571
Updating VTS_02_0.IFO
Skipping LU 1 PGC 1 cell 2/1
Skipping LU 2 PGC 1 cell 5/1
Done...

Shrinking VIDEO_TS.VOB, not keeping audio
Selecting the I-frame 85% into the menu.
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/1 with 0 buttons at sector 0
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/2 with 0 buttons at sector 52
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 53
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/3 with 0 buttons at sector 104
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 105
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/4 with 0 buttons at sector 156
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 157
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/5 with 0 buttons at sector 208
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 209
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/6 with 0 buttons at sector 260
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 261
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/7 with 0 buttons at sector 312
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 313
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/8 with 0 buttons at sector 364
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 365
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/9 with 0 buttons at sector 416
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 417
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/10 with 0 buttons at sector 468
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 469
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/11 with 0 buttons at sector 520
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 521
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/12 with 0 buttons at sector 572
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 573
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/13 with 0 buttons at sector 624
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 625
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/14 with 0 buttons at sector 676
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 677
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/15 with 0 buttons at sector 728
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 729
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/16 with 0 buttons at sector 780
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 781
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/17 with 0 buttons at sector 832
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 833
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/18 with 0 buttons at sector 884
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 885
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/19 with 0 buttons at sector 936
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 937
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/20 with 0 buttons at sector 988
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 989
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/21 with 0 buttons at sector 1040
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1041
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/22 with 0 buttons at sector 1092
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1093
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/23 with 0 buttons at sector 1144
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1145
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/24 with 0 buttons at sector 1196
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1197
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/25 with 0 buttons at sector 1248
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1249
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/26 with 0 buttons at sector 1300
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1301
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/27 with 0 buttons at sector 1352
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1353
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/28 with 0 buttons at sector 1404
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1405
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/29 with 0 buttons at sector 1456
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1457
Found VOB/CELL ID 1/30 with 0 buttons at sector 1508
Inserting I-Frame at original LBA 1509
Updating VIDEO_TS.IFO
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/29
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/28
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/27
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/26
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/25
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/24
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/23
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/22
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/21
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/20
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/19
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/18
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/17
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/16
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/15
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/14
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/13
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/12
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/11
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/10
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/9
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/8
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/7
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/6
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/5
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/4
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/3
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/2
Skipping LU 1 PGC 2 cell 1/1
Done...

Overall DVD Size 4327MB (4.23GB)
Done: Original overall menu size 59.13MB
Final overall menu size 4.43MB -- Savings: 54.71MB


Running pcgedit (before DVDRB) it it says that VTSM 1,3,5,6 are empty and that there is one subpic stream difined for the Menu domain in the VMGM_MAT table of the VMGM. This subpic stram is not really used by the PGCs.

[Zeul]

@Rumbah

I certainly seem to have underestimated the complexity involved in menu encoding...



A'int that the truth - i was amazed at the variety of different issues that arose when i was creating numenu - and there are still new ones being thrown at us (to make backing up as painful as possible). If i can be of any help just met me know.

have you thought about LU removal (which in PAL land we suffer from big time - i have disc here with 5 language versions - what a waste of space that is)

[Rockas]

@Rumbah
What program did you used to rip the original?
I'm asking you this 'cause I had a problem "slideshowing" menus on "Blade Trinity" usinf DVD Fab Decrypter... tried again using DVD Decrypter and it went just fine... (I didn't "slideshowed" main menu though... just the chapters menus.... I din't "slideshow" the menu transitions either)...
Don't know if this info can be usefull... just my two cents :)

[Rumbah]

I used DVD Decrypter to rip it.

[jdobbs]

Found it. It was nothing more than the setting of the sequence_extension header's progressive_sequence flag. It's amazing sometimes what the on/off state of one bit can do...

[JFerguson]

I think Zeul is right on about menu complexity -- good thing there's lots of us production beta-testers... ;)

I always nuke the extraneous LUs with VobBlanker (reuse function)...

[blutach]

PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) can also kill the LUs. It pisses me off when they don't put different languages in different LUs. Just makes for more work.

Regards