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Skelsgard
28th January 2006, 13:55
Is there a tool that will make a smooth conversion of 23.976 footage in to 25.000 PAL? Cause most of the software I use, creates a one-frame jump visual feeling (TMPGEnc, Vegas 6).
Or is not even possible?

Boulder
28th January 2006, 14:05
Use Avisynth. AssumeFPS(25) will do the trick by speedup (the most usual method for framerate conversion). You'll need to treat the audio as well.

Skelsgard
28th January 2006, 14:26
If I have to speed up the video and also treat the audio, then I donīt need AviSynth. My tools prefectly do that with easier interfaces.
I meant without speeding up.
My footage is in AVI.

Boulder
28th January 2006, 14:45
Then encode at a PAL resolution but at 23.976fps and do a 23.976fps->25fps pulldown with DGPulldown. There will be a slight one-field jitter occasionally but it might be unnoticable to you. That way you can use the original audio track.

Otherwise it's either ConvertFPS or ChangeFPS. The other will cause jerkiness and the other blending and blurring.

Skelsgard
28th January 2006, 16:01
I will try DGPulldown. Cause I have been getting that jerkiness and itīs noticeable to me.
But speeding up to 25 gives a really decent MPEG-2, so I might just keep on doing that.
Thanks.

ljpp
31st January 2006, 07:30
VSO's ConvertXtoDVD will make a rather smooth pulldown of a 23,9fps source, but it will go straight to DVD format, not as MPEG files.

Skelsgard
31st January 2006, 20:43
but it will go straight to DVD format
as in outputting splitted .VOBs within a VIDEO_TS folder? I can work with that since speeding up the audio takes like an hour and a half.

foxyshadis
1st February 2006, 01:53
Are you going to interlaced or progressive? If interlaced, dgpulldown/changefps can insert a 1-field jerk every 12 frames, rather than a full frame every 24.

As for other methods, there's motionprotectedfps/mvflowfps (mesh motion compensation), which looks very good on some material and mediocre on others.

Kika
1st February 2006, 12:33
BTW: Even TMPGEnc can do a simple Speedup - just activate "Do not convert framerate" in the advanced tab.
Using DGPulldown results in an interlaced output signal with repeated Fields. This may cause problems on some progressive scan units.
Imho the better way is to do a real PAL-Speedup with correcting the pitch of the audio file.

Skelsgard
1st February 2006, 21:22
Imho the better way is to do a real PAL-Speedup with correcting the pitch of the audio file.
Thatīs what Iīve been doing, it seems to be the better choice.

Are you going to interlaced or progressive?
I rather go progressive speeded-up. Trying to comply as much possible to the PAL standards. And all this trouble to try to get my DVDs to play in a foreign DVD player.

Even TMPGEnc can do a simple Speedup
I feeding through VDubMod with .vdr, so TMPGEnc only does the actual decoding, all the processing as AR and such are done in VDubMod.

Iīve pretty much desisted on the fps conversion, since Iīm getting really good quality PAL DVDs with speed-up method.
Thnx to all anyway :).