RB 1.05.1 with CCE VBR 1 pass w anal - Under Size

[Mr. Monte]

First time I needed to use this CCE setting..however my final ISO is about 1 gig undersized. Is that normal for DVDRB and CCE with the VBR 1 pass with analysis?

TIA

LOG:

[12:19:15] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[12:19:16] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.70.2.4 encoder selected.
- "CCE Adaptive Quantizer Matrices" is enabled.
- "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)" mode is enabled.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,295,961 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 184,808 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 106,978 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,186 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 632,980 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 65,270 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 55.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,448/2,758Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,683,228KB
- Analyzing VTS_01 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):1,472,757
-- Sampling 3704 of 184808 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=32: 871,693
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=13: 1,473,782
- Q Value selected: 14
- Analyzing VTS_02 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):57,406
-- Sampling 255 of 12186 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=54: 59,494
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=56: 58,256
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=57: 57,648
- Q Value selected: 58
- Analyzing VTS_03 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):339,076
-- Sampling 1320 of 65270 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=49: 292,669
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=39: 337,549
- Q Value selected: 39
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 3,983 / 3,983 Kbs
[12:27:30] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 8 minutes.
[12:27:30] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 0
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_02 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 5
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_03 segment 6
[13:13:50] Phase II ENCODING completed in 46 minutes.
[13:13:51] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
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- Rebuilding seg 19 VOBID 1 CELLID 20
- Rebuilding seg 20 VOBID 1 CELLID 21
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 21 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_02
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_03
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 4 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_04
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 5 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_05
- Rebuilding seg 5 VOBID 6 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_06
- Rebuilding seg 6 VOBID 7 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_07
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
- Building ISO Image...
- Removing DVD files
- ISO Image successfully created.
- Writing ISO image to DVD...
- ISO Image successfully written.
[13:51:05] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 38 minutes.

Done.
[13:51:06] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 92 min.

[jdobbs]

No. That's very unusual. While the sizing on single pass encodes isn't as accurate as two pass VBR -- it usually is sized somewhere between 4.1GB and 4.4GB with standard settings.

Try it without the adaptive quantizer matrix enabled. That will make it a lot less accurate, as the effects of the quantizer matrix changes can't be estimated in the prediction pass.

[ezmohp]

After installing 1.05.1 my encodings have also been somewhat undersized. I have made three projects, whose output size varied from 4.11 GB to 4.29 GB.The worst one was a letterboxed TV movie with black bars taking almost a half of the whole picture. Less letterboxing in the other ones. Except size, quality of the output was ok.

This was the first time for me to find undersized output with DVD-RB + CCE Basic. Previously (since about version 0.45) output has been very consistent 4.33 GB. The process involves some processing (TMPG MPEG Editor & DVD Author), but as mentioned, no problems with similar projects untill now. I have been using Avisynth 2.5.6, but DVD-RB 1.04/1.05 + Avisynth 2.5.6 have given correct output size (unfortunately log files deleted). I will reinstall Avisynth 2.5.5 and repeat the project.

The following is the log file from 4.11 GB output. No filters have been used (disabled in the script). The source was captured with a TV card, interlaced and PAL.

Regards,
- ezmohp


[09:06:37] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[09:06:37] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE Basic 2.70.1.7 encoder selected.
- AVS Filters are enabled.
- VTS_01: 2*973*016 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 179*823 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 74,1%
- Overall Bitrate : 4*807Kbs
- Space for Video : 4*220*320KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 4*811/4*790/4*807 Kbs
[09:09:55] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 3 minutes.
[09:09:55] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 9
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 22
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 23
[10:41:53] Phase II ENCODING completed in 92 minutes.
[10:41:53] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 1 CELLID 5
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- Rebuilding seg 20 VOBID 1 CELLID 21
- Rebuilding seg 21 VOBID 1 CELLID 22
- Rebuilding seg 22 VOBID 1 CELLID 23
- Rebuilding seg 23 VOBID 1 CELLID 24
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
[10:48:16] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 7 minutes.

Done.
[10:48:16] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 102 min.

[Mr. Monte]

No. That's very unusual. While the sizing on single pass encodes isn't as accurate as two pass VBR -- it usually is sized somewhere between 4.1GB and 4.4GB with standard settings.

Try it without the adaptive quantizer matrix enabled. That will make it a lot less accurate, as the effects of the quantizer matrix changes can't be estimated in the prediction pass.

Running it now..will let you know the results in about an hour..Thanks

[jdobbs]

@ezmohp

DVD-RB doesn't seem to think the filters are disabled, they appear, from the log, to be applied.

It is a very rare occurance that you might get undersizing with CCE Basic. I don't think I've ever seen output that wasn't exactly 4.32GB... I don't think changing AVISYNTH will have any impact. But, you never know, I guess.

One strange thing I see in the log is the lack of range in the HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL bitrates. Have you changed the values of MIN_BITRATE and/or MAX_BITRATE?

[ezmohp]

@jdobbs

I use filters from time to time. Usually they are disabled like this, but DVD-RB seems to interpret them being enabled:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_1\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7500)
# LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\undot.dll")
# LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\deen.dll")
# undot()
# deen()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
AudioDub(BlankClip())

I haven't changed MIN/MAX_BITRATE (please see the attached REBUILDER.INI). My guess is that the very small variation in bitrate might be due to the source - perhaps not the best possible quality.

As you mentioned, undersizing with CCE Basic is not quite common. If I recall correctly, this is the first time for me. Just mentioned letterboxing, because this source seemed to give the biggest difference in size.

Just finished testing with AviSynth 2.5.5. Outcome (and the log file) was precisely the same as with 2.5.6 (4.11 GB).

Now I will go back to RB 1.05, just to check if the problem is in my source. This combination (RB 1.05, AviSynth 2.5.5 and CCE Basic 2.70) has been confrmed to work ok.

- ezmohp

[Mr. Monte]

Jerry,

Same exact resulting file size. <3,582,112> with or without CCEAQM.

Here is the log without AQM:

[18:34:16] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[18:34:17] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.70.2.4 encoder selected.
- "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)" mode is enabled.
- "Movie and Menus Only" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,295,961 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 184,808 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 106,978 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 12,186 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 632,980 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 65,270 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 55.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,448/2,758Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,683,228KB
- Analyzing VTS_01 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):1,472,757
-- Sampling 3704 of 184808 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=32: 871,693
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=13: 1,473,782
- Q Value selected: 14
- Analyzing VTS_02 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):57,406
-- Sampling 255 of 12186 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=54: 59,494
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=56: 58,256
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=57: 57,648
- Q Value selected: 58
- Analyzing VTS_03 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):339,076
-- Sampling 1320 of 65270 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=49: 292,669
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=39: 337,549
- Q Value selected: 39
- Blanking all EXTRA Segments
-- Feature before/after: 3,983 / 3,983 Kbs
[18:42:47] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 8 minutes.
[18:42:47] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 0
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_02 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 5
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_03 segment 6
[19:35:46] Phase II ENCODING completed in 53 minutes.
[19:35:46] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 1 CELLID 5
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- Rebuilding seg 20 VOBID 1 CELLID 21
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 21 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_02
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_03
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 4 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_04
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 5 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_05
- Rebuilding seg 5 VOBID 6 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_06
- Rebuilding seg 6 VOBID 7 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_07
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
- Building ISO Image...
- Removing DVD files
- ISO Image successfully created.
- Writing ISO image to DVD...
- Error on Write-To-Disc. Check drive/disc.
- ISO Image WAS NOT successfully written.
[20:02:17] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 27 minutes.

Done.
[20:02:17] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 88 min.

Here is my INI:

[Options]
Mode=1
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=0
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=0
HC_Quality=1
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=10
CCE=3
Skin=Rockas Original
AudioDub=1
QuEncodeType=0
iDCT=0
GOP=0
DCPrec=0
MainMatrix=Encoder Default
LowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
VLowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ExtraMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ProCoder_Quality=4
DVD_Label=INTERPRETER
DVD_Name=INTERPRETERNOAQM.ISO
MovieOnly=2
HalfD1=0000
Convert_16_9=0000
DisableInterlace=0000
ConvertToYUY2=1
ISO_Output=1
ISO_Delete_Option=1
Decrypter_Write=1
Delete_Image_Option=0
RemoveDC=1
Completed=3
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll
Working=E:\Movie Temp\
Output=E:\Movie Temp\
CCENew=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE SP Trial Version\cctspt.exe
Source=E:\INTERPRETER\VIDEO_TS\
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=3
OPV=1
[Audio]
Selected=100011
Remapping=
[Subpictures]
Selected=10000100
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

[Mr. Monte]

SO how can we find out what app is cuasing this undersizing?

[jdobbs]

I can't tell you specifically why this one is so far off. It's possible the prediction samples aren't a good representation of the entire stream. What I can say is that sizing accuracy is the trade-off for the speed you get in one-pass encoding.

It looks like the prediction was only slightly over on VTS_01 so DVD-RB took the safe route and used a value of 14. Based on what you're seeing you could probably force a Q of 13 and it would fit -- but there's really no way for DVD-RB to know that without a full encode.

[Note] That is still exceptionally small output, though... is there any chance that CCE has changed their ECL setting for one-pass-VBR again?

[jdobbs]

@jdobbs

I use filters from time to time. Usually they are disabled like this, but DVD-RB seems to interpret them being enabled:

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_1\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7500)
# LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\undot.dll")
# LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\deen.dll")
# undot()
# deen()
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
AudioDub(BlankClip())

I haven't changed MIN/MAX_BITRATE (please see the attached REBUILDER.INI). My guess is that the very small variation in bitrate might be due to the source - perhaps not the best possible quality.

As you mentioned, undersizing with CCE Basic is not quite common. If I recall correctly, this is the first time for me. Just mentioned letterboxing, because this source seemed to give the biggest difference in size.

Just finished testing with AviSynth 2.5.5. Outcome (and the log file) was precisely the same as with 2.5.6 (4.11 GB).

Now I will go back to RB 1.05, just to check if the problem is in my source. This combination (RB 1.05, AviSynth 2.5.5 and CCE Basic 2.70) has been confrmed to work ok.

- ezmohp How do they look in the REBUILDER.INI file? Do you have it set up with the "#" preceding them in the Filter Editor? DVD-RB doesn't interpret them in the editor, it just looks to see if there is any content there when it reports whether filters exist.

[Mr. Monte]

I
[Note] That is still exceptionally small output, though... is there any chance that CCE has changed their ECL setting for one-pass-VBR again?

You know I did update to 2.70.2.4...has CCE changes caused errors in the past?

Thanks sir..just trying to bring it to your attention. I almost always use 3 pass vbr..but needed it fast tonight :)

[jdobbs]

Cinemacraft Encoder has a history of changing values. They've changed value scales and values themselves. The value for encode type (CBR, VBR, OPV) has changed about 5 times before. I have special code all through DVD-RB that provides different paths depending upon CCE version.

While I'll be the first to tell you that their encoder is world class -- I'll also mention that their configuration control is virtually non-existent. Try using an ECL frome CCE Basic with the Pro version -- won't work. It will also fail between almost all versions of SP Pro.

[Mr. Monte]

Thanks jdobbs..not sure if your going to do a VBR 1 pass code to verify this issue on your end and maybe address it in the next release or not. I re-did the above movie in my normal 3 pass encode and it worked perfectly.

Thanks again for a great product and first class support.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year