Xvid AVC? [Archive] - Page 2

ChronoReverse

24th December 2005, 08:49

LoRd_MuldeR

24th December 2005, 09:39

will people please stop with these stupid "vfw is evil" statements ? if you dont want to use a program that works through vfw then dont but on the same hand dont tell me or others not to use what we wish to either. it is not up to you or anybody else to tell people how they must do things or with what.

I have to agree 100% !!! :goodpost:

I use VFW Codecs in VirtualDub all the time (most x264) and it works absolutely perfect for me :) So why changing something that already works fine? If a Codec does not support VFW, this is a reason for me not to use this Codec :( Really sad, since I expect this new Codec to be good...

bond

24th December 2005, 11:19

Well, that reminds me of the very early days of XviD where people suggested we should better join forces with the libavcodec or the fame guys instead of working on something new. Looking back, I don't think it is such a bad thing that we now have both libavcodec and XviD. And the competition certainly helped both projects.

Also: having more developers on the same playground does not _necessarily_ mean better outcome or faster development.i guess sharktooth sees it the way i see it and this is, as a user, i only need one codec ;)

anyways nothing wrong with what you guys do, i would have just found it better if your work would have been merged with another avc codec (x264), than with an asp codec (and xvid is simply an asp codec...)

somehow i fear the total confusion coming up on doom9 and in the newbie users field, no idea till now how to manage this format mix introduced coming up... :D

Sagittaire

24th December 2005, 11:46

And why not complete MPEG4 solution for XviD ... ???

- ISO 14496-2 (Video), e.g. Advanced Simple Profile (ASP)
- ISO 14496-3 (Audio), Advanced Audio Coding (AAC)
- ISO 14496-10 (Video), Advanced Video Coding (AVC)
- ISO 14496-14 (Container), MP4 container format (uses the .mp4 extension)
- ISO 14496-17 (Subtitles), MPEG-4 Timed Text subtitle format

dragongodz

24th December 2005, 12:19

Except in the case of H.264, it's a pretty valid statement since AVI simply doesn't let H.264 stretch its legs.
not stretching its legs is not the same as saying it should be flushed down the toilet. for example i have tested x264 against xvid, full dvd resolution with 1 b-frame and no b-frame pyramid at a lowish bitrate and found the x264 encode to look easily better to me. it also had no playback problem, again for me. could i have probably got even better from using the cli version ? yes but thats not the point. the vfw x264 still provided a noticable improvement xvid so was still very much of use to me.

hopefully the guys will provide a vfw version later even if they limit some of the options that they think may cause problems.

anyway enough off-topic talk from me. :)

bond

24th December 2005, 13:33

may i propose the name "xavc" for this new codec :)

Doom9

24th December 2005, 13:41

There's NeroDigital and NeroDigital AVC as well and we seem to handle this just fine. I don't think it's such a bad thing that people require a little bit about standards.. this is not a newbie board after all, we require a certain kind of knowledge to begin with when people sign up and have strict rules to enforce this - like rule 1.

slavickas

24th December 2005, 15:00

err shouldn't it be called "CVA XviD"? :)

mod

24th December 2005, 15:07

Just an idea.. what about X3MD? :D

Caroliano

24th December 2005, 15:38

err shouldn't it be called "CVA XviD"? :)
I don't think so because Xvid isn't a PSA codec :)

But I think it will cause alot of confusion, especialy outside of here. I will have a hard time explaning this for newbies in others foruns I'm in. And Nerodigital and Nerodigital AVC cause confusio, not so much because they are relatively unknown yet.

And in with forum it will be? The best would be this forum, but Xvid forum seems as adequate as this for discuss Xvid AVC. Doom9 mods will have a hard time moving posts...

Anyway, in the comparison, I liked the visual of Xvid AVC in the screenshots. More detailed than x264 and almost the same as Ateme, sometimes superpassing. But I can saw the blocking problem even in the screenshot, so it shoud be worse when play the video.

Continue with the good work. And as it is also an OS project, one can borrow code from another if necessary.

anne_so78

26th December 2005, 00:31

a naming ceremony with cake and wine would be nice then...

Doom9

26th December 2005, 00:49

I said it in the thread in the XviD forum already.. please wait for the programmers to ask for name suggestions before making any. Thank you.

bob0r

26th December 2005, 18:45

As long as they will use SVN for the source, i am ready for it :sly:

Sirber

26th December 2005, 18:53

as long as they have a CLI with AVS as input... :D

Doom9

26th December 2005, 22:13

as long as they have a CLI with AVS as input.Another one just to read the headlines? If you bother to read the whole article, or just page one for that matter.. the usability section is very informative...

Koepi

1st January 2006, 09:23

I'm looking forward to the release. There's sure much to do in regard to windows-tools (i.e. like building a "crippling" vfw-frontend :p or a avs2xvidavc-gui).

Will be fun! :)

Cheers
Koepi

Romario

5th January 2006, 04:51

Hi Koepi, you are really great developer. Are you involved, officialy, in development of XVid AVC codec. Can you be more precize, please.

sasam

13th March 2006, 20:20

Any news about xvid avc?

Doom9

13th March 2006, 20:30

no news is news too ;)

sasam

13th March 2006, 20:58

no news is news too ;)

No, no news is just no news :p
If you say it is news then put it on the frontpage ;) :
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2553/xvid6nj.th.gif (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xvid6nj.gif)

...so are they writing the code completely from scratch or are they using some parts from ASP encoder?

fight2win

18th March 2006, 04:07

[QUOTE=sasam]No, no news is just no news :p
If you say it is news then put it on the frontpage ;) :
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2553/xvid6nj.th.gif (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xvid6nj.gif)

:D Right on Brother, Just be careful, or u just might get BANNED

sasam

18th March 2006, 08:37

why? Its just a joke...;)

Kostarum Rex Persia

18th March 2006, 18:40

Well, something is definitely going on, because Doom9 removed link about Xvid AVC on main Doom9 page.

Doom9

18th March 2006, 18:58

lol.. sasam posted a mockup of my news, not something that was actually ever there

SeeMoreDigital

18th March 2006, 19:01

He obviously did too good a job for some people ;)

sasam

18th March 2006, 19:24

You actually thought that screenshot was actual screenshot of doom9.org :D
I made it for fun, and to make some people laugh...;)

shon3i

18th March 2006, 23:15

No seriously, what haapend with XviD AVC, any news, beta test version, some inforamtion.

bond

18th March 2006, 23:19

yes there are informations, news and beta versions of xvid avc...

Kostarum Rex Persia

19th March 2006, 01:51

But where, where, where. I can't see informations about Xvid AVC? Are you joking, bond.

nickolasemp

21st March 2006, 12:42

Apparently there are only for testing purposes -see the 2005 codec comparison. Not for the public... I'm eager to see what xvid avc will look like. I'm used to the idea of encoding with xvid and I would like to see the differences between x264 and xvid avc. I think that xvid will be a bit better supposing that xvid guys know a lot more in the video domain. I personally like xvid because it has clearer pictures than x264. Could it be because one is ASP and the other is AVC -a difference in standards?

Anyway I'm eager too to see the xvid team to launch their xvid avc even if it is buggy...

sasam

21st March 2006, 13:11

I think that xvid will be a bit better supposing that xvid guys know a lot more in the video domain.
What makes you think so? akupenguin will kick xvid avc's butt!:D
Its good having competition...

Sirber

21st March 2006, 13:30

Free vs Corporate is fun
Free vs Free is bad :p

sasam

21st March 2006, 13:36

At least it is good for us, the users. :p

nickolasemp

21st March 2006, 13:39

I never implied I wanted to see those two competing. I just believe that xvid will be better in more ways and especially in the factor clearness.

IMHO I don't think that x264 is as clear as xvid.

rushin_911

21st March 2006, 13:42

I never implied I wanted to see those two competing. I just believe that xvid will be better in more ways and especially in the factor clearness.

IMHO I don't think that x264 is as clear as xvid.

That may be an issue more with the options you're choosing than with x264 itself

Sirber

21st March 2006, 13:43

AVC vs ASP...

XviD AVC will look more like x264 than xvid ;)

Kostarum Rex Persia

21st March 2006, 14:58

AVC vs ASP...

XviD AVC will look more like x264 than xvid ;)

Sirber, obviously you know something that we, common users, don't know about Xvid AVC. Underground information, or...:)

shon3i

21st March 2006, 15:30

AVC vs ASP...This two can't be compared, but XviD is very close to x264, ofcurse that is x264 and other H264 codec much better on very low bitretes. XviD AVC seem's to be a good codec and very hard enemy to the x264 and ateme, CoreAVC, etc..

Doom9

21st March 2006, 15:33

@KPR: this is the last time I'm going to tell you to cut it out. There's plenty of your posts out there for a second suspension and you know that means a ban.. don't make me go look them up.

And to the rest participating in this thread: there's more productive things to do than idle talk and speculation (keep in mind we have a forum rule for that) - this place isn't a gossip column.. if you want gossip, go to the barber shop or even better the beauty shop (/me runs and hides from the foul fruit coming his way now) Here's a few ideas: Download Visual C# and help with MeGUI for instance, do something with your girlfriend, go out bowling with your friends, watch a movie, whatever floats your boat.