ATI Avivo XCode released!

[gino25]

I have tried to encode in h264 with avivio tool by ati. It ' s very very fast.

Here you can download a special version that works with all video card (nvidia, ati, matrox, etc)

http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=13054&head=1

Post your impression

[Doom9]

Also, does anyone have the graph edit filters and connections for encodingCheck out the full thread.. it's in there.. both for raw bitstream output as well as mp4 muxed one.

man, use your glasses For a video ipod? I think you need a serious magnifying glass to really spot differences. Better encode a regular sized movie and go fullscreen when watching. While I have a bunch of issues with the MSU comparison, I'm confident that their results when it comes to quality and speed of the encoders do have some merit.. and ATI didn't exactly deliver a stellar performance there.

And I'd be very careful with AVC in AVI or bond will eat you alive ;) BTW, bond, you may want to give some mencoder developers a piece of your mind.. one went on an MP4 bashing spree, apparently some people never heard of b-frames and AVI.

[DarkZell666]

downloading, trying it out in a couple of minutes :)

[Sirber]

Mirror: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1281

[bond]

BTW, bond, you may want to give some mencoder developers a piece of your mind.. one went on an MP4 bashing spree, apparently some people never heard of b-frames and AVI.well people tend to not like what they dont know (yeah, there is some self-critisim here ;) )

actually i dont care if some mencoder dev likes .mp4 or not, its a fact its widely used. now all it takes is someone to fix the ffmpeg .mp4 writing and direct .mp4 output in mencoder might be possible in a correct way :)

[Doom9]

probably that's the reason.. they can't handle it so it must be bad. There's at least one person that is so full of himself that anything that doesn't agree with his world view must be idiotic and untrue.

[bond]

i now merged the three threads about ati for keeping things together. some people start threads before checking if there isnt already one discussing the topic...
i placed it in the avc forum, as it seems here most people are interested in avc

I have tried to encode in h264 with avivio tool by ati. It ' s very very fast.

Here you can download a special version that works with all video card (nvidia, ati, matrox, etc)

http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=13054&head=1as already discussed there is no hardware acceleration done atm with xcode, so the speedup you see is because the encoder is fast on its own (which leads to the low quality the encoder imho produces)

[Sirber]

damn. 5.13 kills my PC. ATI Control Center can't be installed or deinstalled. Makes my XP reboot :(

[acidsex]

man, use your glasses ;)

why .avi?

Just tried the avi option beacause it was available from the GUI. I tried all of the different default settings to compare their qualities. I tried Graphedit afterwards.

The ipod encode looks ok to me. On par with other programs I have used to encode Ipod video (not Qt7). I am sure it isnt perfect and its not something I would use to sell/distribute content (indie filmmaker, not a warezer) but for fast conversion with acceptable quality it isnt that bad.

[tommy_vercetti]

How do I remove this program ?

[Morbo]

damn. 5.13 kills my PC. ATI Control Center can't be installed or deinstalled. Makes my XP reboot :(
I've noticed NV peep can run it as well......

And me,with an x800xt AIW can;t get it to start....(but I'm on Cat 5.6)

[Doom9]

There's definitely no SMP optimization and am I the only one wondering why I can only set a bitrate in 8kbit/s steps?

[Doom9]

alright, I put it through the qualification round. It's fast alright but quality is nowhere near enough to qualify.. it's the worst AVC encoder I've ever seen. And to boot, for some reason the ateme mp4 splitter has issues with it.. when it is activated I only get audio (I created a raw stream from graphedit, muxed via mp4box), and ffdshow seems to have some other issues with it as every now and then I get a frame of extreme blocking.

[lar1r]

Wouldn't use this to backup high quality DVD's, but its great for transcoding quickly to devices such as a video ipod. Video take about 35 secs to convert.

[JnZ]

Just tested, and seems to work on my gf 6200.

[Morpheus_xx]

btw it's quite interesting that encoding a hdtv clip (720p) is as fast as a PAL-clip!

Both took approx. 13s for a 40s clip to AVC. Really fast... but poor quality :-(

[Sulik]

It looks like the ATI H.264 encoder does very different things if the processor doesn't support SSE2: I did a test on my 2nd system which doesn't support SSE2 (AthlonXP), and the quality was much worse.
After looking a bit at the H.264 settings, it looks like QPel and deblocking were disabled on the AthlonXP system (the same file converted with the same settings looked much worse).

[woah!]

well i dont know, i just did a 1280x720p 30sec clip with avivo set at 3000kbps and it took 57secs.

i then used the same avs script and run it through x264 with the fast settings i (think) i can :

--bitrate 3000 --keyint 300 --nf --no-cabac --subme 1 --no-chroma-me --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,p4x4 --me dia --progress --no-psnr --output

and that took x264 93secs to complete.


now to be honest i think the x264 encode came out better (not by much) than the avivo in my eyes but it took nearly 2x as long to encode, but neither are great tho. but for a fast encode to put up on a network to watch later and then delete, (for me) this is not a bad option. i would never use it for archiving of course but for quick and dirty its not that bad.

here are the to clips:

http://rapidshare.de/files/9542503/test.rar.html

[DVD_GR]

just installed on my laptop and it doesnt start (the version of guru 3d)
I have a fx 5700go on it,does it affect the result?

[woah!]

anyone know if theres a way to set a bitrate in this thing?

i can only go from 128kbps or 2000kbps or 4000kbps on the slider :(

i was hoping for a 1000kbps setting or is this only happening for me maybe?

[Doom9]

if you use the filter in graphedit, you can configure it a lot more.. don't use the app that comes with it... it's as bad as the output quality.

I also put the encoder through the speed comparison of the qualification round. It does 78.13 fps. That's quite a bit more than any other AVC codec, but less than fast ASP codecs.. so if you're looking for speed and quality, use XviD.

[DVD_GR]

can we get xvid quality with this codec?this is the critical question.
PS.did not test yet,no time,many problems,I need your trustfull opinion..

[bond]

can we get xvid quality with this codec?this is the critical question.
PS.did not test yet,no time,many problems,I need your trustfull opinion..generally i would say no, i already wrote that the quality of their asp/avc codec isnt good

[Doom9]

can we get xvid quality with this codec?this is the critical question.That's a definitive no.. I put the codec through the qualification test and it definitely doesn't make the cut for the main round.. and as you know, xvid is the benchmark for passing to the main round. this codec is a good example for people who want to claim AVC isn't ready.. but today there are at least 4 good AVC codecs, and one has its home right in this very forum.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

We must protest on Ati web site, and demand from Ati to include x264 support in next version of their encoding program, Ati Avivo Converter. Their AVC encoder is zero.

[Romario]

We must protest on Ati web site, and demand from Ati to include x264 support in next version of their encoding program, Ati Avivo Converter. Their AVC encoder is zero.

Yes Kostarum, you are right. We must do something, because Ati H.264 codec isn't that good as Ateme or x264.

To All: Any news about this Ati Avivo technology, testing, or something to say.

[Doom9]

We must do something, because Ati H.264 codec isn't that good as Ateme or x264.Why on earth? @Romario: I have read several posts of you this morning that are really annoying and clutter up the forum. They generally have something to do with "any news?".. cut it out now, that's no productive use of this forum. If you want news, you can read the news on my website.
There will always be better and worse implementations of a standard.. if all were equal, they'd probably all be using the same code ;) You could also go to apple, VSS, and the whole list (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=95939) of AVC makers and demand that they make their codec look the same as x264.. that's a pointless exercise. So what if this codec doesn't deliver good quality? Use another one for crying out loud, there are plenty of options. And take a good guess why the encoder is fast but doesn't look good and what a major quality improvement would likely involve.... a slowdown of course.

[Romario]

Doom9, I'm sorry, you are right. But I only ask that question, because I don't know what to expect form Ati H.264 encoder.

[CeeJay.dk]

I don't think we will ever see a great H.264 encoder from ATI .. it's not their area of expertise .. but I'm hoping that some of the programming techniques they used to make such a fast encoder could be a guide for other better encoders on how to improve the speed of their encoders.
It's mentioned somewhere that Cyberlink will probably use some of the code in their encoder.

[Meestor_X]

In with Catalyst 6.3 is the "Avivo Video Converter". Love to have some x1x00 users test it out to see if it's using GPU now...

Avivo Video Converter Download (https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/6-3_encoder_30895.exe)

[ChronoCross]

In with Catalyst 6.3 is the "Avivo Video Converter". Love to have some x1x00 users test it out to see if it's using GPU now...

Avivo Video Converter Download (https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/6-3_encoder_30895.exe)

perhaps instead of pointing us to a leech link(you can't cross site link that stuff tsk tsk. you could point us to the main download page. Thanks.

[foxyshadis]

POS ATI and their anti-leech (and generally horrible) website, can you tell me the page it comes from? I'll test it on my mobility x1400 and hope. Does it work with 6.3 omega? (I suppose I'll find out...)

[LiFe]

perhaps instead of pointing us to a leech link(you can't cross site link that stuff tsk tsk. you could point us to the main download page. Thanks.
ATI's horrible horrible website with it's *bad* anti leech crap and session monitoring (what could they possibly gain from anti leech? it's not like it's going to reduce their 'unauthorised' downloads) prevents anyone from linking directly to anything.

(people following these links will just get 'session timed out' errors.)

[Ronin-7]

Yeah I dont get why they have it setup like that.

Anyway this link (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&questionID=640) should hopefully bring you to the page with the download link.

[tommy_vercetti]

Hi,


Please tell me if this thing is any good and if it will run on a 9600 Pro, thank you

Waiting for the feedback....

[Sharktooth]

Hi,


Please tell me if this thing is any good and if it will run on a 9600 Pro, thank you

Waiting for the feedback....
read the whole thread before asking.

[inspector-71]

I will try on my x1900xt tonight when I get home but could someone please give me a script to compare it against and vdub etc settings.

do we want to see a mpeg2 > divx/xvid or mpeg2 > mpeg2 bitrate conversion?

[tommy_vercetti]

Hi,

Guys with cards lower than the specified can just forget running this unless there's some hack that enables it. I tried it on my 9600 the option does not come up to encode, so I suppose it's no use. Did not play around with Graphedit so don't know if the filters are available through it.

[leowai]

I tried it on my 9600 the option does not come up to encode, so I suppose it's no use.
Too bad. Mine is only a ATI 9600. :(

[Deinorius]

ATI is only supporting the X1k Generation, so forget talking about the older generations.

But if you want to, try following edit in registry:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{blablub}\0000
Set the Key "Transcode_NA" to "0".

[tommy_vercetti]

ATI is only supporting the X1k Generation, so forget talking about the older generations.

But if you want to, try following edit in registry:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{blablub}\0000
Set the Key "Transcode_NA" to "0".


You wouldn't happen to be working for ATi, :rolleyes:


Then what is the purpose, a simple reghack can make it run on a 9600, then is it really loaded into the GPU cause the memory usage was really high, more higher than TMPGenc.

Thanks for the help

[Meestor_X]

Seems to somewhat work on my 9600, but H.264 fails. It seems to be able to transcode to DivX, but the file suffix stays as .mpg, and it did it so fast I'm not convinced it actually did anything! - it's all quite weird. Hopefully some experts jump in soon with some proper tests.

Oh, and sorry about that link - didn't realize that it wouldn't work. Looks like people have found the download after all, though.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

I hope that Ati Avivo will be re-released soon, with fixed bugs.

BTW, I have Ati Radeon 9800 Pro.

[Deinorius]

How's the quality of the Avivo Codecs? I don't really believe, it can hold up with the other codecs like DivX/XviD/x264.

Of course, it can be faster, but I don't know about the quality. How are your experiences?

The true Avivo, I wish for, uses extern codecs.

[Kostarum Rex Persia]

How's the quality of the Avivo Codecs? I don't really believe, it can hold up with the other codecs like DivX/XviD/x264.

The true Avivo, I wish for, uses extern codecs.

Yes, that's right. Ati is too rigid, at the moment. From your mouth to God ears.:sly:

[Meestor_X]

Anyone?
I'd REALLY love to know if the quality is better than the first "release" and if there's a way to tell if it's using the GPU or not...

[Morpheus_xx]

here are my first impressions (Amd X2 3800+ / X1300):

- quality is still too bad, cannot be compared with xvid/x264
- there are no detailed settings in GUI-mode, only "codec" selection
- GUI scales down my clip from 1000x576 to 638x...
- where is an AVC codec in GUI?
- GUI doesn't use directshow filters (or I can't see them in graphedit)
- DShow encoding with graphedit uses only one cpu
- GUI uses full cpu power

so not very usable at all :(

[Meestor_X]

Damn! So just yet another tease.
Maybe they just can't do hardware accelerated transcoding after all!