Matroska status ?

[CvH]

is the Matroska project at standby or abandoned or is there any life sign ? :)

cant find changes in the svn or any at the Matroska project itselfe (excluding toolnix :D )

the menu feature isn´t realy working (same since a half year) and it seems that no one ist working at MKV at all :confused:

has someone informations ?


:thanks:

by the way mkv 4president :devil:

[stephanV]

You mean you missed the recently added simple block and header stripping? :p

[CvH]

You mean you missed the recently added simple block and header stripping? :p

what :eek:

oh :rolleyes:

by the way what the heck is "block and header stripping" :)

[Sirber]

dunno if it's dead but it works great :D

[stephanV]

simple block and header stripping are both methods to reduce overhead.

work on menus seems to have stand still for a while, although there might be some things happening following the discussion on IRC.

[darkavatar1470]

I was hoping for matroska menus to be the first widely usable... would be a big edge over other containers.... anyway, this won't stop me from supporting MKV, keep up the good work Matroska Team !

[Elias]

Gabest added nice support for Matroska in latest MPC, so I wouldn't say it's dead because it's still getting support :) Make sure to keep on supporting Matroska, it's really good. It ought to replace avi imho because they have the same purpose as containers, and Matroska is far more advanced.

[Sirber]

New "standart" is mp4, but I prefer mkv since it's easier to play with and it supports RV :D

[Caroliano]

In VLC 0.8.4 changelog they don't say anything about improved Matroska suport. Does this VLC version already suport Matroska v2?

And see the AVI-Mux GUI page for information about matroska v2. This was the only place where I coul'd find a good explanation about it (non too thecnical).

Any way, keep the good work. I'm still waiting the TCME...

[CvH]

mkv works great but the menu feature is THE big thing what i (i guess im not the only one) waiting for and the news updates are getting slower and slower :(

the menu demo videos works partly (June 05) so i thought we are near to a useable status but from this point in time nothing happens ...

[multicone]

menues in MKV DO WORK FINE !! Just bug the player developers to code support for it. Its unfair to let the matroska team do most of the implementation work also. Or has anybody seen Xiph people adding support for Vorbis to players out there by themselves ?

[CvH]

menues in MKV DO WORK FINE !! Just bug the player developers to code support for it. Its unfair to let the matroska team do most of the implementation work also. Or has anybody seen Xiph people adding support for Vorbis to players out there by themselves ?

menus work ? :eek: even vlc nor mplayer couldn´t play it correctly :rolleyes:
someting must prevent them to inplanting it correctly or are they just "to lazy" ? ;) (i thought the problem is the decoder and as far as i know)

is there any player out there where the menus work ?

[Zarxrax]

Is there any progress on getting Gstreamer ported to windows? There is a lot of great stuff that uses gstreamer besides matroska that I would like to see running on windows too :)

[multicone]

menus work ? :eek: even vlc nor mplayer couldn´t play it correctly :rolleyes:
is there any player out there where the menus work ?
yes, files can be created fine from the matroska side, containing full featured menues. Its not their fault that there is no player supporting it yet.

someting must prevent them to inplanting it correctly or are they just "to lazy" ? ;) (i thought the problem is the decoder and as far as i know)

player developers are just used that the matroska team is adding support for their format to their products, by sending patches or making DShow filters. I wonder when this thinking will change.

[multicone]

Is there any progress on getting Gstreamer ported to windows? There is a lot of great stuff that uses gstreamer besides matroska that I would like to see running on windows too :)

Yes, there is progress. The port is complete for both VC7 and mingw, and recently somebody sent a patch for a working DShow audio sink. What is missing now for a video player is a working DShow video sink, but there are many people, even a company from Czech republic, working actively on that.

[CvH]

player developers are just used that the matroska team is adding support for their format to their products, by sending patches or making DShow filters. I wonder when this thinking will change.

thats like you develope a new engine thats run with *nskxxcvsas* and others have to carry about the production of *nskxxcvsas* ;)

in my opinion had the developer the task to develop all filters and tools that it can included in other programms

presently (for the user) the menu feature is totaly useless and it seems that nobody wants to change this situation , its a pity

i hope sometimes we can use the menus

best wishes :)

[multicone]

What is the difference in thinking between Xiph and their stuff, and the matroska team ?

Has the Xiph team, since they started to make Vorbis, Ogg, and later Theora, had to implement their stuff into a single player or app by themselves ? Answer : no

So why on earth does everybody expect the matroska tema to do this all the time ? Because a container is 'inferior' to a codec ?

[Haali]

To end all this menus guesswork, I'd like to say that I am not working on menus and have no plans to do it. So windows implementation is highly unlikely unless some skilled developer steps up and does the work. robUx4 did an initial implementation for vlc, but for now all work is stopped.

Edit: I'm not working on menus because I don't like/need them and it requires a substantial amount of time to implement that is better spent on other things.

[CvH]

thx haali

thats an word :)

[Doom9]

So why on earth does everybody expect the matroska tema to do this all the time ? Because a container is 'inferior' to a codec ?Good question indeed. It's not any different with Ogg/OGM or MP4.. there are the specs and then somebody has to write the tools for it.
It's so easy for people who understand nothing of coding to demand something. Open source is great that way.. if you want it, start coding ;)

[robU*4]

The implementation for menu in Windows is the same as for Linux or OS X: VLC. There is a bug for interaction with the mouse that I never had the time to finish. But many DVD commands already work.

VLC 0.8.4 also support Matroska v2 and header stripping. I tried to make VLC the "reference" player for Matroska. But now I don't have time to add all the possible features of Matroska. And of course a RealVideo hack...

[Selur]

I tried to make VLC the "reference" player for Matroska.
still hoping for TCMP,...

[Caroliano]

TCMP isn't crossp-plataform (AFAIK), so the work would not be so "productive". But being the The Core media player, is to expect that it will suport matroska features... who knows....

[Disabled]

Wouldn't it be possible to put up a nice bounty for the one implementing the menu system in VLC? I would gladly donate 20 bucks for that! (I would double the amount for integration into XBMC!)
The lack of an easy menu system just stops me of backing up a shitload of dvds...

[multicone]

Don't worry, as i read on #matroska recently they have plans now to add menue support to the win32 port of TCPMP

[robU*4]

The menu system almost work in VLC. Try DvdMenuXtractor and see how it works for you. And yes we plan to do it for TCPMP too.

[NeD tHe OnE]

How do u create menu's? for MKV Container?

and where will i et the tool "DVDMenuXtractor"

[buzzqw]

http://ffdshow.faireal.net/mirror/DvdMenuXtractor/

BHH

[NeD tHe OnE]

Thank You very much buzz.... D only thing I was w8n 4!

[NeD tHe OnE]

I got the software allright... But I still didnt make out how to use it ..

Well Its creating.. umm... xml files for mkvmerge and splitting and demuxing into m2v,ac3 files... and the output (menu) mkv file contains m2v .... and talkin abt menu how does it work?

It doesnt work like DVD! Does it? and one more thing ... Even the menu should be compressed .. like XviD stream and vorbis stream muxed in mKV.

How does the menu work??

[multicone]

AFAIK, you can compress the menue m2v with every video codec you like, ideally h.264 today. Its stored in the MKV as an independant stream, the XML info that mkvmerge muxes in the file will then tell the player (now only VLC) on how to access the streams in the final MKV file, and how to play it

[Disabled]

Last time I tried DVDMenueXtractor it didn't work properly. It was able to extract a whole bunch of files and created various .bat files, but none of the run through and I was not able to mux the files manually too.

@needtheone Sure its great to be able to store the Menues, but till today youre not able to play the files created! Keep that in Mind!
If you want to compress the video and the menu, you have to run DVDMX through, reencode every .m2v files and change the filenames in the .bat files... if they run for you...

[NeD tHe OnE]

Newayz I dropped the idea for menu's @least for now ... LET IT GROW FIRST

[Adub]

Sorry to dig up an old thread, I was just wondering if Menu's are are now working in Matroska.
I have looked at DVDMenuXtractor, but an older version so it didn't work correctly, and frankly I am not quite clear as to what I am supposed to do with some of the files that it ends up creating, mainly the batch files. Why are they even there?

Also, is there now a way to create your own menu's? For example, if I were to encode a movie to h.264, convert the audio to AAC, Create a Chapters file, Extract the subs, etc., could I put the whole shebang together with a sweet menu?

I know that most of this is wishful thinking, but I don't think it hurts to ask.

[bond]

in case it doesnt work yet in mkv (which i think is the case) this might interest you: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=117574

[Adub]

Yeah, I was looking at that, but I don't think I can use if for matroska, but I will give it a shot.

[Cyberace]

I would double the amount for integration into XBMC!XBMC uses MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) as it's main video-player core, thus if if you want Matroska menu support in XBMC it should really be added to MPlayer first, ...however both XBMC and MPlayer are open source so anyone (inclusing the Matroska development team) can make and submit a patch to add support for it, and by doing so help promote the MKV container format :D

PS! I hear MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) are close to getting native DVD-Video menu support built-in soon so now might be a good idea to bring up the idea/suggestion of adding Matroska menu support, (and VCD/SVCD menus, and DivX menus, etc.) :sly:

[Disabled]

XBMC uses MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu) as it's main video-player core, thus if if you want Matroska menu support in XBMC it should really be added to MPlayer first,

Uhh that thread is old. Since then I walked away from Xbox as my main Media Player but it would still be good to see a working Menu system for MKV (on the PC). But then again you could also use HD-DVD to store h264 with menus, just the audio streams would be restricted.
Betaboy said something like CoreCodec is working on a Menu system implementations (for mkv), but then again I'm not trusting them anymore.
Another note: XBMC has a working DVD Menu implementation independant to Mplayer due to a bounty.

[machser]

which path is meant by the 'Tools Path' in DVDMenuExtractor-Wizard ?

Edit:
okay, recognized that you have to point to mkvmerge...