what exactly is this version hd-dvd (hvd) ??

[qwprince]

ok .. as far as i know hd-dvd or anything is not anywhere near volume production .. then whats this small-time company called Vinverth releasing - labelled HVD Player or High Definition DVD D9 calling it the top of the market higher than dvd-qualty promises at resolutions of 1920x1080 ? they have started releasing movies around 6 months back ...

Is this for real .. they claim to be doing a telecine transfer of existing films using panasonic eqpt to HD-DVD ... i mean if it is then how how come no big electronic companies have taken it up even though i dont know anything abt hd-dvd guys fixing on the format ??

Check this --
http://www.itp.net/business/news/details.php?id=16527&category=
http://www.vinverth.com/

[charleski]

OMG! Malayan cinema leads the world! (look at the films they have)
They're most likely encoding in ASP using one of the newer HiDef chips and delivering films on 2 DVDs.

[unmei]

wow "2 million DPI (Dots Per Inch)" ..even 1920x1080 video must be watched with a microscope if that ad on the homepage tells us the truth

[charleski]

Maybe they're using FVD (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20051130A7034.html)? Who knows.

[guada 2]

" Maybe they're using FVD? Who knows ".( charleski)

Who knows the "four dragons" start by launching the offensive.

[qwprince]

these guys are renting out the so called hd-dvd's at much lower rates than dvd's ... well the rental guy says it not dvd and its the new hd-dvd & wont work on regular players & drives .. mebe i'll rent one & check ...

ps: its not malayan cinema -- its Malayalam (Language of the state of Kerala in Southern India)

[qwprince]

ok guys i did rent one of the so called HVD's .. its actually 2 x DVD9's with Audio as AC3 & Video is some mpeg for which i dont seem to have the codec .. how many codecs are used for this sort of thing anyways .. resolutions of 1920x1080 .. is it on2 or sumthing .. any ideas ?

The movie is listed with a run-time of 268mins ...

this is the list of files in the hvd when viewed in explorer ...
a1.bak
a1.IFO
a2.bak
a2.IFO
header.CTR
header.IDX
header.mpg
hvd.bak
hvd.ifo
menu2.CTR
menu2.IDX
menu2.mpg
Menu.bak
Menu.IFO
zzz.CTR
zzz.IDX
zzz_0.mpg
zzz_1.mpg
zzz_2.mpg
zzz_3.mpg
zzz_4.mpg
zzz_5.mpg
zzz_6.mpg


this is the descrip given by DVD-Decrypter when read in iso mode:
SONY DVD RW DRU-540A 1.0a (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-ROM

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,622,641
Size: 5,371,168,768 bytes
Time: 582:50:41 (MM:SS:FF)

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-ROM
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: 10.08Mbps
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 15,989,648
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 1,803,407


& I do get a slight blip of the video like a scratched video for a second when i playback the first file zzz_0.mpg in media player classic or any others ..

any ideas as to which codec this mite be OR is there a way to determine as to what format or codec this is ??

[buzzqw]

tryed open mpeg filles with gspot or mediainfo ?

BHH

[bond]

the rental guy says it not dvd and its the new hd-dvd tell him he shouldnt talk shit. real hd dvds are not yet produced

what you have rented is propably plain mpeg-2, maybe with an encryption?

[MSlv]

Or it's some other codec which uses MPEG container...

[qwprince]

i shudnt abuse my video rental dude ... he probably dint know abt it .. the dvd marketers probably fooled him .. he said it was bad buisness coz it requires the vinverth player to play it back ...

& yea i forgot to post the GSpot Info:
------------------------------------
--- File Information ---
File Name: zzz_5.mpg
File Name (with full path): F:\zzz_5.mpg
File Size (in bytes): 817,889,280

--- Container Information ---
Base Type (e.g "AVI"): MPEG (.MPG/.MPEG/.VOB)
Subtype (e.g "OpenDML"):
Interleave (in ms):
Preload (in ms):
Audio alignment("split across interleaves"):
Total System Bitrate (kbps): 11624
Bytes Missing (if any):
Number of Audio Streams: 1

--- Video Information ---
Video Codec Type(e.g. "DIV3"):
Video Codec Name(e.g. "DivX 3, Low-Motion"): Unknown
Video Codec Status(e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec Status Undetermined
Duration (hh:mm:ss): 00:09:05
Frame Count:
Frame Width (pixels): 80
Frame Height (pixels): 48
Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g "1.3333"):
Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g. "4:3"):
Pixel Aspect Ratio ("SAR"):
Display Aspect Ratio ("DAR"):
Frames Per Second: ***ERROR***
Video Bitrate (kbps): 11240
MPEG-4 ("MPEG-4" or ""):
B-VOP ("B-VOP" or ""):
QPel ("QPel" or ""):
GMC ("GMC" or ""):
H264 ("H264" or ""):

MPEG-2 ("MPEG-2" or ""):
Interlaced ("I/L" or ""):
Progressive ("Prog" or ""):
Top Frame First ("TFF" or ""):
Bottom Frame First ("BFF" or ""):
3:2 Pulldown ("3:2" or ""):
Picture-per-field ("PPF" or ""):

- Aspect Ratio Related:

Broadcast standard: "PAL" (else blank)
Broadcast standard: "NTSC" (else blank)
src:"VCD", "SVCD", "CVD", or "DVD (else blank):

--- Audio Information ---
MPEG Stream ID (e.g. "0xbd"): 0xbd
MPEG VOB file Substream(e.g. "0x80"): 0x80
Audio Codec (e.g. "AC3"): AC3
Audio Codec Status (e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec(s) are Installed
Audio Sample Rate (Hz): 48000
Audio Bitrate(kbps): 384
Audio Bitrate Type ("CBR" or "VBR"): CBR
Audio Channel Count (e.g. "2" for stereo): 2
======================================================

MediaInfo Details
----------------
General
Complete name : F:\zzz_5.mpg
FileSize/String : 780 MiB
Format/String : MPEG 2 multiplexer

Audio #0
Codec/String : AC3
BitRate/String : 384 KBps
BitRate/Mode : CBR
Channels/String : 2 channels
Channel coupling : L, R
SamplingRate/String : 48 KHz
Delay : 2736574
============================================

yea mpeg2 with encryption sounds good .. but the high resolution of 1920x1028 ? .. the high resolution part is true ..

If anyone got any ideas for codec's to try out .. do tell me...

PS: ive uploaded the menu files & also the only small tiny blip of video which i think is part of the menu .. the rest of the video files are 780MB each in size ...
hvd_files.rar (http://www.qwprince.com/temp/hvd_files.rar)
menu2.mpg.rar (http://www.qwprince.com/temp/menu2.mpg.rar)

[charleski]

Well the .mpg file you posted has "MPEG-2 Test Sequence, 30 frames/sec" near the start of the file. You're right, it looks encrypted.

[qwprince]

Well the .mpg file you posted has "MPEG-2 Test Sequence, 30 frames/sec" near the start of the file. You're right, it looks encrypted.

any easy ways to decrypt this video stream ?

any tools if its a low level encryption .. i know im talkin shit .. but are there any ?

[Kika]

Hehe, that's the good old HVD-Format. Done by TMPGEnc with some encryption. But all HVD-Disks i own are encoded in 960x720.
Just use Bitrateviewer instead of GSpot.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93943&highlight=960x720
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=98135&highlight=960x720