dual episode DVD - menuedit with dvdReMake [Archive]

jel

5th December 2005, 04:05

hi daniele and welcome to the forum.

one of the reasons you may have not received any input in regards to query is that your thread title does not really match your request.

anyways, hopefully this thread will point you in the right direction:
How To Add NEW Subtitles to a DVD and Keep the Menu ! + First MOVIE Tutorial ! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=83566)

you could also substitute muxman (search in dvd authoring forum) for dvd lab.

good luck
j

spud_2011

5th December 2005, 14:43

HI! and thanks for reply!

unfortunately this link lacks all of pics!
i tried to use ifoedit to author a new dvd but there is no way to manage dual episode dvd's.... the process crashes out when it reaches second episode (about at the middle of second vob.. in fact it's a simple dvd-5) whitin .m2v file..
and the message is:
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too many frame drops!

stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 239860882, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 23xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 23xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 23xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream 20: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0
stream E0: data will arrive too late. Current SCR: 24xxxxxxx, stream DTS: 0

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when xxxxxxx are progressive numbers (it didn't work copy and paste! )
and:
stream 20 - it's the subtitle stream
stream E0 - it's video stream

wich program should i use instead? :(
thanks

jel

6th December 2005, 02:12

well personally i would use either muxman:
MuxMan 0.14 with navigation and highlights available (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93553)
or dvdlab, which also has a 30 day free trial avaliable:
http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/

hth
j

blutach

6th December 2005, 07:06

Yup, jel is right. Demux first with PgcDemux (get it for free at the VobBlanker site - see link in my signature). Remux with muxman, adding in your subbie stream. Make sure it is compliant with muxman format requirements - otherwise, you may need to reformat them with Subtitle Creator for example.

http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/gl1.gif

Regards

spud_2011

6th December 2005, 13:43

ok, thanks a lot.. i will try with those programs
:)

spud_2011

7th December 2005, 10:12

ok.....
i used pgcdemux (great program!) wich allow to demux single streams by pgc..
but i am a little confused.. :rolleyes:
this procedure allow me to obtain an output with the first episode only and no menu.
so in order to keep everything and menages this dual episode dvd i need some help:
the main manu on original dvd is set to select of course each episode and to run it with or withour sub and to select chapter.
but if instead of running only one episode i run it all with english subtitles, first episode starts and then when finished, second episode start continously without exit.
so in order to work on it need i to menage a single .sup with all the subs (first and second episode, with some internal key that link them to correct episode, like overall time of playing..) or have to create two .sup for each language?
and so on with *.ac3 and *.m2v....
somewhat tell me that single sup is better but can i manage single audio and video streams.... and above all SINGLE CELLTIME INFO? :(
if this procedure isn't practiceable at what point can i re-joint two episodes? (after remuxing i'll join all the vobs?)

and finally: with dvd-lab pro can i modify original dvd's menu instead of creating a new one? i really only have to add one button for new language substram and rebuilt this link....
:thanks:
thanks to everyone would help me!
:thanks:

Mirx

8th December 2005, 08:00

blutach

8th December 2005, 11:22

That's a real sweet guide mirx. Very interesting stuff.

Regards

spud_2011

9th December 2005, 18:24

DvdReMake in addition to PGCDemux and Muxman can do what you want without any problem and in a couple of clicks.

After muxing the 2 seperate episodes, just place them back into your original using the copy/paste feature. Add the references for the new subtitle track and export the disc. That's it.

For reference, you could take a look at: http://www.dimadsoft.com/other/mirx/Custom_subtitling_revised_v1_0.pdf

For changing the menu to support the new subtitle stream, you can just look in one of the thread on this here on Doom9. There are a couple of them on how to do this using DvdReMake.

thanks mirk!
i will work on it!
by the way i made all the vob updated with new substream.. (i used muxman with a single audio and video stream and joint them back with the unique .sup per language, and lastly making chapter manually..... it works fine! :) )
now i have to work with title set.. :mad: :p
thanks a lot for this guide :thanks:

spud_2011

19th December 2005, 10:30

ok, i follow the pdf guide.
i've copy edited streams (with added .sup) and pasted out into original dvd structure... also tell the program that it's in another activer subtitle content.. but this guide did't tell nothing about updating corresponding menu.
i have this situation. two pgs refer to subtitle menus (PGC#2 and #9).
i have to insert a new button and link it to the new content.
actual pgc#2 links to a dummy pgc.
but how to tell correct instruction at the command input..? and i have to create a new dummy pgc to link to?
and also: a new background image is needed to match with new button.. i have to re insert it using muxman putting it as a .bmp in place of .m2v into entire VTS_01_0.vob? ..it is right?
thanks for support!

spud_2011

21st December 2005, 11:07

ok, one at the time..
i'm trying to get updated the menu within file.vob containing subtitle selection.
but is there a way to open and demux it through vobedit?
i can able to open single pgc with pgcedit but nothing happens when i try to with vobedit!
anyone can help me i cannot understand! :confused:
i have this dvd with 4 vob (VTS_01_01.vob, *02, *03, *04.vob) for the main two episode.
one of that of about 60MB for the main title set (VIDEO_TS.vob)
and i changed the first one's and have to keep intact the second.
and a last .vob of about 120MB that contain secondary menu (VTS_01_0.vob)
how can i DEMUX THE ENTIRE content of that so i can update it with new menu background?
when i try to open it with vobedit the program skeep directly into the main movie and no content of the vob is demuxed! :rolleyes:
thanks guys

spud_2011

22nd December 2005, 10:24

ok...... i'm nearly find it out...
i'm used pgcedit vobblanker (great stuff) and dvdremake of course!
and then this wonderful guide:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99306

thanks to goonix for that, one of the useful guide i find out that tell how to really modify a dvd (and not only stripping parts)!

but still have problems with edit command! that it's pretty overwhelming! :confused:

so, i inserted new menu with background highlights and all teached in the guide.. (with some exceptions due to my case that it's a little different)
but when i have to edit command to tell the program to link new content i don't know wich very instruction i have to insert.
there it's a way to understand what this numbers means and exactly where they linking to? (it's not as simple to guess... only reading at the command instruction overview into pgcedit) :rolleyes:

i created a new pgc comprising new highlighted button i have created and made a new dummy pgc that hopefully i would link with new sup + main stream...

am i on the right way?
thanks

spud_2011

30th December 2005, 16:21

ammck55

30th December 2005, 16:38

Spud--There's a sticky in the General Discussion forum that has links to a multitude of free hosting sites. Using one of those might make it easier to post clean images of your screenshots.

Wilbert's Sticky--Uploading pictures, clips or other files to a webserver (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96362)

ammck55

goonix

30th December 2005, 17:49

Hi Daniele!

Good you have managed the button highlights and the modification of the background already. Thats most of the work...

Now to the functionality of the new button.
So we need following information:

Whats the meaning of the old buttons in this menu?
Whats the button commands of every button?
What should your new button do?
Whats the post commands of this menu PGC?

You can give this information as text or as screenshots as ammck55 has suggested.
www.imageshack.us (up to 1 MB per image) seems to be a good idea.

With this information we can try to help you.

goonix

Mirx

30th December 2005, 22:51

all i need is a key to understand the meaning of the numbers in the command set within dvdremake.. this hopefully does allow me to getting start to make my dvd.
a line like this it's clear on command syntax but unclear on what these numbers are meaning:
set gprm(9) =(mov) 64
and why some buttons have these strange numbers 3072??
i think i am away just some clicks form my goal but can't do it!
thanks for any help

Check the following stuff:
- The DRM user manual appendixes
- http://cdr-zone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=565&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=56fac7dcc0861d2500f9062bf7182121
- http://cdr-zone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1058&highlight=registers+operations
- http://www.dimadsoft.com/other/mirx/first_play.zip
- http://www.dvd-replica.com/

spud_2011

10th January 2006, 14:55

thanks all..
to mirx: i will try to learn from these links..

to goonix:
about the meaning of the old menu i think this (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssh9by.jpg) pic is self explanatory
i added a new background (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=subtitles006zo.jpg) text for italian subtitle too. also keep the english subtitle so the old button is still needed.
the highlight bmp is like that (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sub6un.png)
about the button commands of every button:
1 (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=englishbtn9se.jpg) 2 (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nonebtn6yr.jpg) 3 (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kickbtn9ak.jpg) 4 (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainbtn8ee.jpg)

the new button should play the whole two episodes in sequence with new italian substream if kickoff button is pressed and otherwise singles chapter as usual.
the post commands field for all pgc's involved is empty, only the pre commands fields is fill.
the only post commands is fill in pgc linked when main menu button is pressed:
reference (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1comm2ym.jpg)

i think this pic sequence from dvdremake can help
5 (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dvd019qv.jpg) 6 (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dvd029ts.jpg) 7 (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dvd039qx.jpg) 8 (http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dvd046or.jpg)

thanks for help!

ammck55

10th January 2006, 15:28

Hello--I manually edited some of your links to make them work. All of your links, up to and including the "#1 image link" did not work, numbers 2-8 were OK. All of the links that didn't work had an extra "http://" in them, as well as an IMG link. You don't want to include an image in your postform, you just want to make the link point to the address where you've got them hosted at ImageShack.

If you've got the URL copied to your clipboard, after you key in the text you want to represent your link, when the next option comes up for the actual link, just paste in your link at this point using Ctrl+V (easiest for me). If you manually put in an insertion point, the extra code is added and screws you up. Tick the "Preview" button at the bottom of the postform and check to make sure your links are working before you turn them loose on us. ;)

[Edit] No coffee + no spellchecker = nosense..or is that "nonsense"? :)

spud_2011

10th January 2006, 15:56

thanks ammck55 i didn't noticed that mistake.. :D

goonix

11th January 2006, 02:16

OK, let's start...

In your picture 1 we can see: The button command for the "Hearing Impaired" subtitle links to PGC 10.
In your picture 6 we can see: In PGC 10 the register GPRM(9) will be set to 64.
In your picture 8 we can see: The subpicture register will be set to GPRM(9) in line 4.

So if you press the "Hearing Impaired" button, the subpicture register will be set to 64.
Subpicture register = 64 means subpicture stream 0 will be displayed.
-> stream 0 seems to be the "Hearing Impaired" subtitle stream.

If your new italian subtitle stream is stream 1, the subpicture register have to be set to 65 to play it.

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What you have to do...

- Create a new dummy PGC 12.
- Write following pre commands in PGC 12 (DVDRemake syntax):
R(9)=65
R(5)=1
Link PGC 9
(GPRM(5) is used for highlight the "Kick off" button when re-entering PGC 9)
- The button command of the "Italian" subtitle button have to be:
LinkPGCN PGC 12

Good luck!

goonix

spud_2011

12th January 2006, 14:36

THANKS GOONIX!!! ALMOST DONE..... :thanks:

just some detalis to refine....

i created a new dummypgc that is used in my dvd to highlight the subtitle button as u can see by comparing the three menu's..
the istructions i have inserted are:
1 Set gprm(9) =(mov) 65
2 Set gprm(5) =(mov) 1
3 LinkPGCN PGC 13

i saved the dvd and open it with powerdvd..
so all is displayed fine.. and then if language subtitle button is pressed the right substream is displayed on.
but whitin the selection subtitle menu either if no button is pressed (none is default) or the 'none button' is at any time pressed when i play the movie the english subtitles is anyway diplayed...
how this might be happened?
the corresponding istruction is:
1 Set gprm(9) =(mov) 63
...
that's working fine into original dvd...:mad:

the menu's that i modified:

PGC_02 (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc021ju.jpg) PGC_09 (http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc093le.jpg) PGC_12 (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc122ov.jpg)

goonix

12th January 2006, 17:10

I don't know why you have created a new subtitle menu (PGC 12).
Modification of the original menu (PGC 9) should work without any issue.
But you may have a reason for doing this.

PowerDVD is'nt good for verifying the subpicture settings. It ignores these PGC commands in many cases. The check mark in configuration (right mouse button) has always the priority.

Testing the subtitle behaviour is better using a DVD-RW in your desktop player.

To switch off all subtitles, the subpicture register have to be set to 62.
It can be, that 63 will work if you have only 1 subtitle stream.
So you should change the command in PGC 11 to:
1 Set gprm(9) =(mov) 62

Let me know if it works.

goonix

spud_2011

13th January 2006, 11:12

Testing the subtitle behaviour is better using a DVD-RW in your desktop player.

To switch off all subtitles, the subpicture register have to be set to 62.
It can be, that 63 will work if you have only 1 subtitle stream.
So you should change the command in PGC 11 to:
1 Set gprm(9) =(mov) 62

Let me know if it works.

goonix

great! i will try with this.... i think it should work....
i will let u know....
;)

spud_2011

16th January 2006, 17:54

all done!.. on powerdvd it works perfectly....
i will try with a dvd-rw on a desktop player so..

thank you very much goonix! ;)

spud_2011

23rd January 2006, 13:18

burned it into a dvd-rw and tested on desktop player...
:(
tha bad is that subtitle menu don't allow me to switch button even so i already edited adjacent button field of every button....
so i don't know if my subtitle menu works or not!
by the way while playing i'm able to either disable or select italian and english subtitle via remote control....
even on power dvd the behavior is discontinous in fact often i had to press the italian subtitle button twice to let it work! why that?
thanks guys!

goonix

23rd January 2006, 17:43

OK, the next steps...

The precommands in your old subtitle menu (PGC 9) are:
1 if ( gprm(5) == 1 ) then { LinkPGN Program1, button 3 (3072) }
2 (SetHL_BTN) Set Highlighted Button = (mov) 1023 (button 1)

It means:
If you enter the subtitle menu the first time, button 1 will be highlighted.
If you re-enter the subtitle menu (return from PGC 9, 10 or 13 with gprm(5) set to 1), button 3 will be highlighted.

Here my questions:
- Do you have the same precommands in your new subtitle menu (PGC 12)?
- Do the highlights of all buttons work correctly in PowerDVD?
- Do you have tested switching the buttons using the arrow keys on the extendable pad at the right side of PowerDVD?
- Is a button highlighted in your desktop player, but you can't switch to the next
- or can't you see no highlight at all?
- Are the domain stream attributes correct for this menu (4:3)?

And I have to repeat: PowerDVD is not suitable for testing the subtitle commands, because it ignores them sometimes (at least the on/off commands). But it can be surely used for testing the highlights of a menu.

goonix

spud_2011

26th January 2006, 15:05

goonix... thank you VERY MUCH for your patience....

i'll reply you right there:

first of all i have now pgc 2 (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc021gm.jpg),9 (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc090is.jpg),12 (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc128qs.jpg) and dummy pgc 10 (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc103zw.jpg),11 (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc114de.jpg),13 (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pgc138oa.jpg). each one is intended (at least i hope that) to highlight button in the background (with a brown outline as u can see in the related pic's). also the .bmp highlight image used for higlight button at mouse passage is shown in this pic (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hig0ai.png)....

>>> Do you have the same precommands in your new subtitle menu (PGC 12)?

- i do NOT have same precommmands in my PGC 12 as i have the following:

1 if ( gprm(5) == 1 ) then { LinkPGN Program1, button 3 (3072) }
2 (SetHL_BTN) Set Highlighted Button = (mov) 5120 (button 5)

>>> Do the highlights of all buttons work correctly in PowerDVD?

- NO they doesn't work AT ALL!!

>>> Do you have tested switching the buttons using the arrow keys on the extendable pad at the right side of PowerDVD?

- yes, it doesn't work..

>>> Is a button highlighted in your desktop player, but you can't switch to the next

- yes, it's highlighted but only on the background (the highlight that u can see on this pic (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hig0ai.png) aren't shown on)

>>> or can't you see no highlight at all?

only background highlights.

>>> Are the domain stream attributes correct for this menu (4:3)?

- what do that means?

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the highlighs on a final dvd should look like that (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=highlights3ts.jpg)

there (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numbutt4il.jpg) are shown buttons numbers

and there (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buttonmenu5jf.jpg) a sample of edited buttons.....

thanks a lot! :)

goonix

26th January 2006, 17:40

Is a button highlighted in your desktop player, but you can't switch to the next?
Yes, it's highlighted but only on the background.
Seems we have to clear something up first.

The highlight of a button is shown, when you hover your mouse over a button or when you select it with the arrow keys of your remote.

What you can see on the background is only the background text (or background symbol) of a button. This is only a part of the background picture and not a button.

To make a highlight visible, a hotspot rectangle is needed. The subpic of the button must be inside this rectangle.

If I take a look to your menu rectangles, they are only around the button text. In this way, the button will work, but you don't see the highlight.

You have to make these rectangles such big, that the button text and the related subpic is within the hotspot rectangle.

goonix

spud_2011

27th January 2006, 18:16

Seems we have to clear something up first.

To make a highlight visible, a hotspot rectangle is needed. The subpic of the button must be inside this rectangle.

goonix

oh.... WOW! now i understand....

i will make these changes.... however all the rest that doesn't work may depend from that or this is just for begin? :o

spud_2011

31st January 2006, 10:41

did NOT work... :(
i will try by repeating entire editing process.... maybe i made something wrong....

goonix

31st January 2006, 19:06

Here is the workflow how you can test your modified menu if it is working before you insert it to your original DVD:

1. Start PgcEdit and open the mini-DVD that you get as output from MuxMan after muxing the background pic and the sub pic.
2. Select title1 and click on the green square menu button.
3. Click "Edit" to add new buttons.
4. Draw the hotspot rectangle around the background text and the related highlight pic.
(You can't see the highlight pic, so you have to remember where it is...)
5. Assign the button to color scheme 1.
6. Add the next button and do step 4 and 5 again.
7. After you have added all the buttons you need, set the adjacent button order.
8. Set all button commands to LinkTopCell.
9. Edit color scheme 1 (color and opacity).
10. Close the menu editor.
11. Open the PGC editor and set the cell still time to 255.
12. Save the mini-DVD including the buttons.

The description above needs only a few minutes to do.
Now you can open the mini-DVD in PowerDVD and test if the highlights (and therefore the buttons) of your new menu are working.

If they don't work, you have done something wrong.
If it works, you can proceed and replace the new menu to your original DVD.

Good luck!

goonix

spud_2011

12th February 2006, 16:25

ok goonix check 'em out..
photoshop betray me by automatically updating my 4bit bmp into a 8bit format without any warn.
i used paint and got no trouble.
so now highlights work without any problem. :)

then as u told me when tested with a desktop dvdrecorder i get no trouble with setting off subtitles!! :))

the only thing i noticed is that i have to press subtitle button twice to make them work..
when pressed the first time the button itself is highlithed, when i press it twice the kickoff button is highlighted..
but anyway.. THANKS A LOT, I DID IT! (with your help of course! eheh..)