Anyone gotten Quicktime7 HD MOV files to play in Zoom?

[Roscoe62]

If so....I NEED YOUR HELP!!!!

I've disabled using ActiveX because I'm getting tearing in the video, but when I do that, I get a much better picture, but NO SOUND. I have the full Nero 6 Reloaded suite installed on my PC and I'm using the latest Zoomplayer WMV Professional.

CPU : Athlon X64 3500+
Memory : 2 x 512Mb DDR400 OCZ
MBoard : DFI Lanparty NF4 (non SLI)
Video : Leadtek GF 6600GT

Strangely it works perfectly in Nero Showtime!

If anyone has managed to get the new Quicktime7 files working on Zoomplayer with Directshow WITH SOUND I'd love to hear HOW you got it going!

Any help is appreciated!!

[Audionut]

Install quicktime alternative.

[bond]

try if the file can get renderer in graphedit (which you can download in doom9s download directory)

if it renderers there it should play in zoomplayer too.

[Roscoe62]

Hi audionut,

I should have mentioned I installed QT7 (non-pro) on my system. This allows me to get the trailers online.

Hi Bond,
Not sure I understand what Graphedit actually does, but I will do some research on it and give it a try.

It works just fine in Nero Showtime, but I don't like that player very much. I want to try and get it working in zoom (since I just paid to register it!), but if after a week or so I still haven't had any success, I'll switch to another player.

[bond]

Hi Bond,
Not sure I understand what Graphedit actually does, but I will do some research on it and give it a try.

It works just fine in Nero Showtime, but I don't like that player very much. I want to try and get it working in zoom (since I just paid to register it!), but if after a week or so I still haven't had any success, I'll switch to another player.if your file plays in graphedit you can be sure that your system is ok and that the file should play fine in any directshow player (like zoomplayer)
if the player still doesnt support it its either buggy or does other strange things

if you cant play the file in graphedit you propably lack the needed directshow filters

[charleski]

I have QT7Pro, ffdshow and Nero 6.6 installed on my system and yes I can play QT HD trailers on my system with zoomplayer and sound is present. Unfortunately when I do so the 'Filter Properties' item is greyed-out so I can't tell you what graph it's using :( .

If I try playing the trailer with bsplayer I get no sound, and the Filters option shows it's using the Nero Video decoder. It also plays with no sound when using Nero Showtime or vlc.

In case it's any use, here's my Audio Codec Databse from GSpot:
0x0000 <unknown> <unknown>
0x0001 WAVE_FORMAT_PCM Microsoft Corporation
0x0002 WAVE_FORMAT_ADPCM Microsoft Corporation
0x0003 WAVE_FORMAT_IEEE_FLOAT Microsoft Corporation IEEE754
0x0004 WAVE_FORMAT_VSELP Compaq Computer Corp.
0x0005 WAVE_FORMAT_IBM_CVSD IBM Corporation
0x0006 WAVE_FORMAT_ALAW Microsoft Corporation
0x0007 WAVE_FORMAT_MULAW Microsoft Corporation
0x0008 WAVE_FORMAT_DTS Microsoft Corporation
0x0010 WAVE_FORMAT_OKI_ADPCM OKI
0x0011 WAVE_FORMAT_DVI_ADPCM Intel Corporation
0x0012 WAVE_FORMAT_MEDIASPACE_ADPCM Videologic
0x0013 WAVE_FORMAT_SIERRA_ADPCM Sierra Semiconductor Corp
0x0014 WAVE_FORMAT_G723_ADPCM Antex Electronics Corporation
0x0015 WAVE_FORMAT_DIGISTD DSP Solutions, Inc.
0x0016 WAVE_FORMAT_DIGIFIX DSP Solutions, Inc.
0x0017 WAVE_FORMAT_DIALOGIC_OKI_ADPCM Dialogic Corporation
0x0018 WAVE_FORMAT_MEDIAVISION_ADPCM Media Vision, Inc.
0x0019 WAVE_FORMAT_CU_CODEC Hewlett-Packard Company
0x0020 WAVE_FORMAT_YAMAHA_ADPCM Yamaha Corporation of America
0x0021 WAVE_FORMAT_SONARC Speech Compression
0x0022 WAVE_FORMAT_DSPGROUP_TRUESPEECH DSP Group, Inc
0x0023 WAVE_FORMAT_ECHOSC1 Echo Speech Corporation
0x0024 WAVE_FORMAT_AUDIOFILE_AF36 Virtual Music, Inc.
0x0025 WAVE_FORMAT_APTX Audio Processing Technology
0x0026 WAVE_FORMAT_AUDIOFILE_AF10 Virtual Music, Inc.
0x0027 WAVE_FORMAT_PROSODY_1612 Aculab plc
0x0028 WAVE_FORMAT_LRC Merging Technologies S.A.
0x0030 WAVE_FORMAT_DOLBY_AC2 Dolby Laboratories
0x0031 WAVE_FORMAT_GSM610 Microsoft Corporation
0x0032 WAVE_FORMAT_MSNAUDIO Microsoft Corporation
0x0033 WAVE_FORMAT_ANTEX_ADPCME Antex Electronics Corporation
0x0034 WAVE_FORMAT_CONTROL_RES_VQLPC Control Resources Limited
0x0035 WAVE_FORMAT_DIGIREAL DSP Solutions, Inc.
0x0036 WAVE_FORMAT_DIGIADPCM DSP Solutions, Inc.
0x0037 WAVE_FORMAT_CONTROL_RES_CR10 Control Resources Limited
0x0038 WAVE_FORMAT_NMS_VBXADPCM Natural MicroSystems
0x0039 WAVE_FORMAT_CS_IMAADPCM Crystal Semiconductor IMA ADPCM
0x003A WAVE_FORMAT_ECHOSC3 Echo Speech Corporation
0x003B WAVE_FORMAT_ROCKWELL_ADPCM Rockwell International
0x003C WAVE_FORMAT_ROCKWELL_DIGITALK Rockwell International
0x003D WAVE_FORMAT_XEBEC Xebec Multimedia Solutions Limited
0x0040 WAVE_FORMAT_G721_ADPCM Antex Electronics Corporation
0x0041 WAVE_FORMAT_G728_CELP Antex Electronics Corporation
0x0042 WAVE_FORMAT_MSG723 Microsoft Corporation
0x0050 WAVE_FORMAT_MPEG (MP1/MP2) Microsoft Corporation
0x0052 WAVE_FORMAT_RT24 InSoft, Inc.
0x0053 WAVE_FORMAT_PAC InSoft, Inc.
0x0055 WAVE_FORMAT_MPEGLAYER3 (MP3) ISO/MPEG
0x0059 WAVE_FORMAT_LUCENT_G723 Lucent Technologies
0x0060 WAVE_FORMAT_CIRRUS Cirrus Logic
0x0061 WAVE_FORMAT_ESPCM ESS Technology
0x0062 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE Voxware Inc
0x0063 WAVE_FORMAT_CANOPUS_ATRAC Canopus, co., Ltd.
0x0064 WAVE_FORMAT_G726_ADPCM APICOM
0x0065 WAVE_FORMAT_G722_ADPCM APICOM
0x0066 WAVE_FORMAT_DSAT Microsoft Corporation
0x0067 WAVE_FORMAT_DSAT_DISPLAY Microsoft Corporation
0x0069 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_BYTE_ALIGNED Voxware Inc.
0x0070 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_AC8 Voxware Inc.
0x0071 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_AC10 Voxware Inc.
0x0072 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_AC16 Voxware Inc.
0x0073 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_AC20 Voxware Inc.
0x0074 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_RT24 Voxware Inc.
0x0075 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_RT29 Voxware Inc.
0x0076 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_RT29HW Voxware Inc.
0x0077 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_VR12 Voxware Inc.
0x0078 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_VR18 Voxware Inc.
0x0079 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_TQ40 Voxware Inc.
0x0080 WAVE_FORMAT_SOFTSOUND Softsound, Ltd.
0x0081 WAVE_FORMAT_VOXWARE_TQ60 Voxware Inc
0x0082 WAVE_FORMAT_MSRT24 Microsoft Corporation
0x0083 WAVE_FORMAT_G729A AT&T Labs, Inc.
0x0084 WAVE_FORMAT_MVI_MVI2 Motion Pixels
0x0085 WAVE_FORMAT_DF_G726 DataFusion Systems (Pty) (Ltd)
0x0086 WAVE_FORMAT_DF_GSM610 DataFusion Systems (Pty) (Ltd)
0x0088 WAVE_FORMAT_ISIAUDIO Iterated Systems, Inc.
0x0089 WAVE_FORMAT_ONLIVE OnLive! Technologies, Inc.
0x0091 WAVE_FORMAT_SBC24 Siemens Business Communications Sys
0x0092 WAVE_FORMAT_DOLBY_AC3_SPDIF Sonic Foundry
0x0093 WAVE_FORMAT_MEDIASONIC_G723 MediaSonic
0x0094 WAVE_FORMAT_PROSODY_8KBPS Aculab plc
0x0097 WAVE_FORMAT_ZYXEL_ADPCM ZyXEL Communications, Inc.
0x0098 WAVE_FORMAT_PHILIPS_LPCBB Philips Speech Processing
0x0099 WAVE_FORMAT_PACKED Studer Professional Audio AG
0x00A0 WAVE_FORMAT_MALDEN_PHONYTALK Malden Electronics Ltd.
0x0100 WAVE_FORMAT_RHETOREX_ADPCM Rhetorex Inc
0x0101 WAVE_FORMAT_IRAT BeCubed Software Inc.
0x0101 IBM_FORMAT_MULAW IBM mu-law format
0x0102 IBM_FORMAT_ALAW IBM a-law format
0x0103 IBM_FORMAT_ADPCM IBM AVC Adaptive Differential Pulse Code Modulation
0x0111 WAVE_FORMAT_VIVO_G723 Vivo Software
0x0112 WAVE_FORMAT_VIVO_SIREN Vivo Software
0x0123 WAVE_FORMAT_DIGITAL_G723 Digital Equipment Corporation
0x0125 WAVE_FORMAT_SANYO_LD_ADPCM Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd.
0x0130 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_ACEPLNET Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0131 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_ACELP4800 Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0132 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_ACELP8V3 Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0133 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_G729 Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0134 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_G729A Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0135 WAVE_FORMAT_SIPROLAB_KELVIN Sipro Lab Telecom Inc.
0x0140 WAVE_FORMAT_G726ADPCM Dictaphone Corporation
0x0150 WAVE_FORMAT_QUALCOMM_PUREVOICE Qualcomm, Inc.
0x0151 WAVE_FORMAT_QUALCOMM_HALFRATE Qualcomm, Inc.
0x0155 WAVE_FORMAT_TUBGSM Ring Zero Systems, Inc.
0x0160 WAVE_FORMAT_MSAUDIO1 (ALSO DIVX) Microsoft Corporation
0x0161 WAVE_FORMAT_DIVX (same as WMA) DivX Networks
0x0162 Windows Media Audio 9 Professional Microsoft, Inc.
0x0163 Windows Media Audio 9 Lossless Microsoft, Inc.
0x0200 WAVE_FORMAT_CREATIVE_ADPCM Creative Labs, Inc
0x0202 WAVE_FORMAT_CREATIVE_FASTSPEECH8 Creative Labs, Inc
0x0203 WAVE_FORMAT_CREATIVE_FASTSPEECH10 Creative Labs, Inc
0x0210 WAVE_FORMAT_UHER_ADPCM UHER informatic GmbH
0x0220 WAVE_FORMAT_QUARTERDECK Quarterdeck Corporation
0x0230 WAVE_FORMAT_ILINK_VC I-link Worldwide
0x0240 WAVE_FORMAT_RAW_SPORT Aureal Semiconductor
0x0250 WAVE_FORMAT_IPI_HSX Interactive Products, Inc.
0x0251 WAVE_FORMAT_IPI_RPELP Interactive Products, Inc.
0x0260 WAVE_FORMAT_CS2 Consistent Software
0x0270 WAVE_FORMAT_SONY_SCX Sony Corp.
0x0300 WAVE_FORMAT_FM_TOWNS_SND Fujitsu Corp.
0x0400 WAVE_FORMAT_BTV_DIGITAL Brooktree Corporation
0x0401 Intel Music Coder (IMC) Intel Corporation
0x0450 WAVE_FORMAT_QDESIGN_MUSIC QDesign Corporation
0x0680 WAVE_FORMAT_VME_VMPCM AT&T Labs, Inc.
0x0681 WAVE_FORMAT_TPC AT&T Labs, Inc.
0x08AE Lightwave Lossless http://www.clearjump.com
0x1000 WAVE_FORMAT_OLIGSM Ing C. Olivetti & C., S.p.A.
0x1001 WAVE_FORMAT_OLIADPCM Ing C. Olivetti & C., S.p.A.
0x1002 WAVE_FORMAT_OLICELP Ing C. Olivetti & C., S.p.A.
0x1003 WAVE_FORMAT_OLISBC Ing C. Olivetti & C., S.p.A.
0x1004 WAVE_FORMAT_OLIOPR Ing C. Olivetti & C., S.p.A.
0x1100 WAVE_FORMAT_LH_CODEC Lernout & Hauspie
0x1101 L & H CELP codec Lernout & Hauspie
0x1102 L & H SBC codec Lernout & Hauspie
0x1103 L & H SBC codec Lernout & Hauspie
0x1104 L & H SBC codec Lernout & Hauspie
0x1400 WAVE_FORMAT_NORRIS Norris Communications, Inc.
0x1401 WAVE_FORMAT_ISIAUDIO ISIAudio
0x1500 WAVE_FORMAT_SOUNDSPACE_MUSICOMPRESS Soundspace Music Compression
0x181C VoxWare RT24 speech codec Voxware Inc.
0x1FC4 NCT ALF2CD codec http://www.nctsoft.com
0x2000 WAVE_FORMAT_AC3 Dolby Laboratories, Inc
0x2001 MEDIA_SUBTYPE_DTS Dolby Laboratories, Inc
0x674f WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_1 Ogg Vorbis
0x6750 WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_2 Ogg Vorbis
0x6751 WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_3 Ogg Vorbis
0x676f WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_1_PLUS Ogg Vorbis
0x6770 WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_2_PLUS Ogg Vorbis
0x6771 WAVE_FORMAT_OGG_VORBIS_3_PLUS Ogg Vorbis
0x7A21 GSM-AMR (CBR, no SID) 3GPP Standard
0x7A22 GSM-AMR (VBR, including SID) 3GPP Standard
0xFFFF development use N.A.


and here's the output from the 'Installed Codecs' Dialog, also from GSpot:
ACM 0x0011 Microsoft IMA ADPCM CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> imaadp32.acm
ACM 0x0002 Microsoft ADPCM CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msadp32.acm
ACM 0x0006 Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM 0x0007 Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msg711.acm
ACM 0x0031 Microsoft GSM 6.10 Audio CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msgsm32.acm
ACM 0x0022 DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM) Software CODEC DSP GROUP, INC. quartz.dll --> tssoft32.acm
ACM 0x0042 Microsoft G.723.1 CODEC Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msg723.acm
ACM 0x0160 Windows Media Audio Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM 0x0161 Windows Media Audio Microsoft Corporation quartz.dll --> msaud32.acm
ACM 0x0130 Sipro Lab Telecom ACELP.net audio codec Sipro Lab Telecom Inc. quartz.dll --> sl_anet.acm
ACM 0x0402 Indeo® audio software Intel Corporation quartz.dll --> iac25_32.ax
ACM 0x0055 Fraunhofer IIS MPEG Layer-3 Codec (advanced) Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS quartz.dll --> l3codeca.acm
DMO 0x0160 WMAudio Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmadmod.dll
DMO 0x0162 WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmadmod.dll
DMO 0x000a WMSpeech Decoder DMO Microsoft Corporation qasf.dll --> wmspdmod.dll
DSH 0x0001 Vorbis Encoder Copyright (C) 2002 Tobias Waldvogel OggDS.DLL
DSH 0x0001 AC3Filter Copyright © 2002-2004 by Alexander Vigovsky ac3filter.ax
DSH 0x0001 ffdshow Audio Decoder Copyright © 2002-2004 Milan Cutka ffdshow.ax
DSH 0x0050 MPEG Audio Decoder quartz.dll
DSH 0x0055 MPEG Layer-3 Decoder Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen IIS l3codecx.ax
DSH Morgan Stream Switcher Morgan Multimedia MMSwitch.ax
DSH 0x0161 Windows Media Audio Decoder Microsoft Corporation msadds32.ax
DSH 0x0130 ACELP.net Sipro Lab Audio Decoder Sipro Lab Telecom Inc. acelpdec.ax
DSH CoreVorbis Audio Decoder - CoreVorbis.ax
DSH Vorbis Decoder Copyright (C) 2002 Tobias Waldvogel OggDS.DLL
DSH 0x0050 Nero Digital Audio Decoder Nero AG NeAudio.ax

[Roscoe62]

Bond,

Thanks for clearing that up. I've just found it on the downloads page, so I'll give that a shot tonight when I get home.

Charleski,

Thanks for the info - probably a little too technical for me to make much sense of, but thanks anyway.

Just to be sure, You're using zoomplayer to play the Quicktime HD trailers AND you've de-activated using the ActiveX filter in the zoomplayer settings?

[charleski]

Where is this ActiveX setting in zoomplayer? There are so many settings for the player I can't find it (only started using it recently). I can't remember changing anything with that name, though, and I'm not sure why ActiveX should play a role anyway - I extracted the URL for the real .mov file and downloaded that, so I'm playing it outside any web browser.

[clsid]

My dirty little trick is to rename the HD clips to .mp4. Note that the QuickTime HD clips are not valid MP4 containers (but very similar). Renaming is just the easiest way to make Haali's splitter parse those files.

Then you can play the files in any DirectShow player using Haali's Media Splitter and ffdshow.

You can also set Haali's splitter as a source filter for mov files, but that requires manually editing the registry. It also won't work on old mov files.

[Roscoe62]

Charleski,

By default Zoom uses the ActiveX filter to play Quicktime movie files so, if you don't remember changing this setting you're not seeing your .mov files playing via directshow. I hear you about zoom's settings - very powerful player but there are a TON of settings to play with! If I recall you have to be in Advanced mode, and then click the filter settings tab. The default window displays the option to deselect ActiveX. De-selecting this box allows Zoom to use directshow, but it's here that I'm having my problem - i.e. a much improved video but NO SOUND.

clsid,

I will try that trick tonight, but I'm a little hesitant to play around in the registry. By default I'm currently using the Nero Splitter. I also don't have ffdshow installed. I did have it installed previously, but found that it was interfering with Nero recode when I was creating a DVD from some captured video footage. I know a lot of people swear by ffdshow, but frankly I find it a bit intimidating! Too many builds to choose from to know which is best, too many settings!

If I have to install it to get this working in Zoom then I will, but so far no-one's come up with a definitive method.

[charleski]

Ahhhh, I turned that ActiveX setting off and now I get no sound either, though the processor load drops a great deal, as you found. I see my system is also using NDParser.ax to split the media. That may well be the root of the problem.

[Roscoe62]

Yep! That's the problem all right. I'm also using the Nero Digital parser to split the media.

This SHOULD be a simple thing to fix. If Nero Showtime can play the file properly (which it can) then zoom should be able to as well. Zoom is supposed to be a player that can "play anything", but this has proven to be a real stumbling block.
Unfortunately my pleas for help over at the zoom forum are being met by a wall of silence. :(

I will try to get the hang of using Graphedit tonight to see what's going on. However, I've not had much experience delving into something like this, so I may need some handholding.

In the meantime if ANYONE has gotten these files to work in zoom, Please jump in here!

[foxyshadis]

If the ND parser isn't working, try unregistering it or reducing its priority, and forcing another that does, like the qt one, or raising the nero audio decoder's priority. Alternately, roll up your sleeves and try to find a combination that works in customized playback (pro only now? I forget), which means playing with directshow filter chains by hand and isn't very easy to use.

[Roscoe62]

Well this is proving to be "educational"!

I downloaded Graphedit and set it up. When I select "render media file" from the File tab, and then choose one of the Quicktime HD .mov files I immediately get a warning box saying "Some of the streams in this movie are in an unsupported format". This rings alarm bells straight away. If I continue anyway I get the media box showing Video Out and Audio Out. By default the Video out is connected to the Nero Video Decoder. The NVD Output is connected to the VMR Input 0 of the Video Renderer.

To me this means that the system knows what to do with video, but there are problems with audio. On my system I've got a number of Directshow filters I would have thought would be right for the job. I have AAC Parser, but if I add this filter, it shows up as having an XForm In and XForm out. No-go trying to connect the Audio out of the media file to the XForm in. They're incompatible. Same with the Nero Quicktime Audio Decoder - it also shows as XForm In and XForm Out. If I try to add Nero Digital parser it wants to open the media file on it's own. Even if I allow this, nothing seems compatible with the audio out. It's the same if I allow the Haali Splitter to open the media file. There's nothing that is compatible with the audio out.

To my uneducated thinking, I'm missing something that will allow me to properly decode the audio. Can anyone give me some idea of what filters (apart from the ones I've already tried) will work, or if I'm missing the point of Graphedit completely please let me know! Help!


UPDATE: I had a brief moment of triumph followed by more disappointment. I installed the CoreAAC filter (just trying things) to see if it made a difference. Once installed I tried out my test movie file (the first King Kong trailer) in graphedit. Graphedit seemed happy! I tried it in Zoom and it played just fine! Then I thought I'd try it with another 2 .mov files - Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire and the second King Kong trailer - no sound - no joy. I tried to open both of those .mov files in graphedit and got the same "Some of the streams in this movie are in an unsupported format" message.

AAAaaarrrggh! It's like they keep changing this format as they go!!! :angry:

[bond]

maybe the streams are drm protected? just a wild guess

[charleski]

The answer is to install Haali's Media Splitter (http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/) and rename the file to a .mp4. After doing so, the streams are split properly, sending audio to ffdshow Audio Decoder and video to Nero Video Decoder. (This is with the Quicktime ActiveX filter turned off.) Processor load is still pretty high though: 75% for a 1080p trailer on my aging 3Ghz P4.

[bond]

The answer is to install Haali's Media Splitter (http://haali.cs.msu.ru/mkv/) and rename the file to a .mp4. After doing so, the streams are split properly, sending audio to ffdshow Audio Decoder and video to Nero Video Decoder. (This is with the Quicktime ActiveX filter turned off.) Processor load is still pretty high though: 75% for a 1080p trailer on my aging 3Ghz P4.people should stop spreading this renaming mov to mp4 shit right now!!!
you CANT produce a valid mp4 file by renaming mov to mp4!

apart from that haalis splitter handles movs fine, so there is no need for this renaming nonsense!

:devil: :devil: :devil:

[charleski]

Unfortunately, this fix doesn't work if the file is still named .mov as NDParser.ax still captures it :(. It looks like it should be possible to specify a customised graph for .movs that will force zoomplayer to use the Haali splitter instead of Nero's, but obviously other DirectShow players won't be fixed by that.

I agree that the last thing we want are b0rked .movs running around masquerading as mp4s, though. Is there a more central solution to altering splitter priority?

[bond]

Is there a more central solution to altering splitter priority?of course
you can raise the merit of haalis splitter with radlights tool for this (dont remember its name), so haali is used over nero

still i also have both haali and nero installed and haali gets used here for movs

[charleski]

Well I downloaded RadLight Filter Manager (http://www.radlight.org/products/filter_manager/index.php), selected Haali Media Splitter from the DirectShow list, altered the setting to MERIT_PREFERRED, clicked SET VALUE, rebooted, opened up the Filter Manager again to check and it shows a merit of 0x00800000 as opposed to a value of 0x00600000 for Nero Digital Parser.

And... when playing a .mov in zoomplayer the filter graph still shows that NDParser is being used to split the file. Even setting up customised splitter values for .movs in Zoomplayer's advanced settings doesn't seem to be able to force it to use Haali. OTOH, renaming the file to .mp4 works in terms of getting it to play properly under DirectShow :rolleyes: . Obviously there is still some weirdness going on in terms of getting .movs to play properly outside Quicktime. The best option is probably to use the 'Export to MP4' option with video pass-through, though that would require QTPro.

[bond]

if in graphedit haali is used over nero, than you know that its zoomplayers fault that nero is used and you should either contact the zoomplayer dev or use another player which doesnt do strange things

[charleski]

Huh, well I just downloaded the 11/03 version of ffdshow and reinstalled it - bingo. Now zoomplayer plays .movs correctly under DirectShow (though bsplayer doesn't). I reset it to default settings to check, and it seems you need to uncheck the 'use ActiveX Filter' then go to the 'Customised Media Playback' tab and enable that, then click on the 'Source Files and Splitters' tab, select Quicktime from Special Purpose Source Filters and click Configure. In the dialog that pops up you click on Haali in the Load Pre-defined Filter Profile field and click Move Profile UP until it's at the top of the list (I only had 2 values in there: Haali and Nero Digital Parser).

Anyway, there's a fix that doesn't involve renaming it to mp4 :), and doesn't mean you have to buy QTPro. You need Haali and probably ffdshow (http://www.aziendeassociate.it/cd.asp?dir=/ffdshow) though.

[Roscoe62]

Charleski,

That's sounding good. After my last post I went to bed and ended up having all these filters appearing in my dreams.....creepy stuff!

Anyway, when I woke up this morning I checked up on a couple of things and what I've discovered is that the initial .mov file I got going with CoreAAC had a stereo AAC 44.1kHz audio track. The two trailers that I couldn't get sound working for (Harry Potter Goblet of Fire / King Kong 2 ) both have AAC 5.1 48kHz audio tracks.

I'm now at work and I have to go out tonight. I would be very interested in knowing whether your procedure works on either of the above-mentioned trailers.

I'd love to get the playback of these trailers working on my HTPC - ideally via the SPDIF digital audio out and ideally also in AC3 5.1. I guess for that to work there'd need to be a conversion somewhere along the way - in fact I don't even know if that's possible right now to do it on the fly.

In the meantime having the audio downconverted to stereo is better than what I have right now, and I'll try to do some reading in the audio forum.

Oh, as a last note - in a moment of frustration I downloaded Media Player Classic to see what it could do. It plays the trailer OK but, again, I was seeing video tearing so I suspect that MPC is using ActiveX to play the trailer. Not 100% sure of this though. Gabest would know for sure.

[charleski]

I did my tests on the 1080p version of the Goblet of Fire trailer.

[Roscoe62]

That's great news Charleski!

Thanks for the confirmation.

Can I ask how you've got the audio set up on your rig? Are you sending the audio out via analogue to amp/speakers or via spdif?

Cheers
Roscoe

[charleski]

I just have primitive analogue stereo outputs :).