Nero 7 does not work with Besweet

[_E_]

Heya.

I am having trouble getting Besweet to run with the Nero runtime files. I have copied both Aac.dll (2.5.9.994) and aacenc32.dll (4.2.0.27) to Besweet's dir and still no luck. I have even copied NeroIIP.dll , but that didnt help either. I am using the latest beta of Besweet and BesweetGUI posted in besweet's mainpage. When I run Besweet in command prompt, I get "[0:00:000] Initialising..." before it quits.

Any idea of whats wrong? :s

Thread temporarily stickied until nero 7 issues are resolved. Do not open any threads about issues with bsn and Nero 7! If you do they will be locked. There is currently no known solution to use bsn with nero 7.

[Yayita]

You are probably not using BeSweet v1.5b31...
Check your version.

[fight2win]

besweet/belight does not supports nero 7 aac dll's yet, wait for a besweet update! there is nothing wrong with your setup!

[KpeX]

I stickied this thread until nero 7 issues are resolved, to keep down the number of threads on this subject once the download version hits. There doesn't seem to be any working solution at the moment for encoding through besweet with nero 7.

[_E_]

Aha! And I was searching throughout this forum wondering where did this thread disappear ;)

Thanks for the reply though. Guess we have to wait then :)

[IgorC]

for what sticky? Nero developers said that there wasn´t a new encoder even in last leacked NERO7. New NERO7 AAC will be enable only on 26 of october.
Remove this pirate fake.

[Kurtnoise]

Hi guys,

I'm just testing the new aac core engine available in the new Nero 7 with BeSweet and.......


it works like a charm. :)

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).

Logging start : 11/01/05 , 09:34:11.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch.ac3 -output E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch_nero7_f2.mp4 -logfile E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\logfile2.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -vbr_streaming ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch_nero7_f2.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 0.036dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: vbr streaming
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:01:43:840] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:29:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/01/05 , 09:34:40.

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bsn.dll replacement v0.02 by dimzon (dimzon541@gmail.com).

Logging start : 11/01/05 , 09:27:16.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch.ac3 -output E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch_nero7.mp4 -logfile E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\logfile.log ) -bsn( -6chnew -vbr_streaming ) -ota( -g max )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: E:\BLUE_VELVET_SKU2\VIDEO_TS\Audio_6ch_nero7.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 0.036dB
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: None
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -INF, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +- dimzon's BSN Framework -
[00:00:00:000] | http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99730
[00:00:00:000] +-------- BSN --------
[00:00:00:000] | bitrate: vbr streaming
[00:00:00:000] | HE-aac high quality encoding
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:01:43:840] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:29:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 11/01/05 , 09:27:45.


A snapshoot to have some infos in foobar :

http://kurtnoise.free.fr/fb2k_01.gif


I just replaced aacenc32.dll (v 4.2.1.0) and Aac.dll (v 3.0.0.3) in BeSweet folder...

[LeMoi]

Indeed, with Nero 7.0.1.2, it works like a charm :)

[fight2win]

so will these dll's work with belight 0.22 beta 8 too?

[Kurtnoise]

sure...

[bond]

hey so nero isnt that evil as i feared :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well.... that's a load off... What a relief :)

Now that Nero7 is finalized, what new audio encoding options do we have?


Cheers

[dimzon]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2083/nerops8zw.png

[JoeBG]

Hi guys,

I'm just testing the new aac core engine available in the new Nero 7 with BeSweet and.......


it works like a charm. :)


Why can´t I get it work? Since I replaced the Nero 6 *.dll´s nothing works for me. Can you please give a link to your Nero 7 Version? Version 7.0.1.2 ist just a Demo Version and I can´t get it installed on my PC.

[dimzon]

Why can´t I get it work? Since I replaced the Nero 6 *.dll´s nothing works for me. Can you please give a link to your Nero 7 Version? Version 7.0.1.2 ist just a Demo Version and I can´t get it installed on my PC.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5541/v08dz.png
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4922/v19qe.png
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2025/v24ob.png

This work even without ANY Nero version installed!

[JoeBG]

@ dimzon

Nice to hear. But not with Nero 7. What´s your secret? :)

I deletet the old Nero 6 *DLL´s -> The new ones from Nero 7 don´t work. So what am I doing wrong?

[dimzon]

@ dimzon

Nice to hear. But not with Nero 7. What´s your secret? :)

I deletet the old Nero 6 *DLL´s -> The new ones from Nero 7 don´t work. So what am I doing wrong?
Maybe You are using wrong Nero Version?
I can send my dll for You - check your PM

[KpeX]

Please do not discuss distributing nero dll's. I highly doubt this is legal / allowed in the nero EULA.

[dimzon]

WARNING

Seems like there are wrong channel mapping in 5.1 encoding! (There are significant audio fluctuations). Can anybody check it too?

There are 3 variants:


Wait until Nero fix the problem
OR Ask DSPGuru to change channel order for bsn
OR Write tiny wrapper around original bsn.dll and change channel mapping in it (i can write such wrapper for -dimzon switch but i need information which channel mapping reqied for Nero7)

[defunkt]

Why can´t I get it work? Since I replaced the Nero 6 *.dll´s nothing works for me. Can you please give a link to your Nero 7 Version? Version 7.0.1.2 ist just a Demo Version and I can´t get it installed on my PC.

You need MFC71.dll in the same directory or \Windows\System\, there may be others but that's one I uncovered.

[defunkt]

...i need information which channel mapping reqied for Nero7)
[/list]

By my reckoning it wants...

FR C FL SR LFE SL

:confused:

[dimzon]

By my reckoning it wants...

FR C FL SR LFE SL

:confused:

does -6chnew produce C FR FL SR SL LFE ?

[dimzon]

bse_Nero7WA.dll (http://www.mytempdir.com/253823)

Usage:
-dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll <options>) where options are 100% compatible with -bsn switch options
use -6chnew for 5.1 encoding

please check: is 5.1 channel mapping ok now?

[bond]

does -6chnew produce C FR FL SR SL LFE ?-6chnew outputs the only channel mapping allowed in the aac specs for 5.1 (when being fed with the right input, eg ac3)
and that is C, L, R, SL, SR, LFE

[JoeBG]

-6chnew outputs the only channel mapping allowed in the aac specs for 5.1 (when being fed with the right input, eg ac3)
and that is C, L, R, SL, SR, LFE

So the new dimzon plugin is not necessary for "-6chnew"? Everything okay with the Nero DLL´s?

[dimzon]

So the new dimzon plugin is not necessary for "-6chnew"?
No! BeSweet performs 5.1->stereo downmix if "-6chnew" is not specified :(

[bond]

No! BeSweet performs 5.1->stereo downmix if "-6chnew" is not specified :(well of course it does this!

what if some doesnt want 6ch output from a 6ch input? i dont see why its a problem to define that you want 6ch output

[dimzon]

well of course it does this!

what if some doesnt want 6ch output from a 6ch input?
-azid( -s stereo )

[defunkt]

Has anyone else noticed v7 turning out much lower bitrates (vs. v6) given equivalent settings:

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 161kbps 1210KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 77kbps 589KB

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 158kbps 1186KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 122kbps 923KB

[Kurtnoise]

confirmed...probably the new tunings.

[MacAddict]

Has anyone else noticed v7 turning out much lower bitrates (vs. v6) given equivalent settings:

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 161kbps 1210KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, VBR Streaming 77kbps 589KB

v6 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 158kbps 1186KB
v7 HQ, LC, Stereo, ABR 160 122kbps 923KB

Unfortunately I don't see the difference when using HE though. In fact it's just the opposite bitrate and file size increase compared to the older v6 series.

[ziw0d0]

bse_Nero7WA.dll (http://www.mytempdir.com/241101)

Usage:
-dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll <options>) where options are 100% compatible with -bsn switch options
use -6chnew for 5.1 encoding

please check: is 5.1 channel mapping ok now?
no...
Image1. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\1001.wav" -logfile "E:\1002.log" ) -6chwav
Image2. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\1001.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -cbr 96 -6chnew )
Image3. BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\100.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -cbr 96 -6chnew )
http://rapidshare.de/files/7125552/100.ac3.html
1)
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6431/6chwav6qz.png
2)
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6450/cbr966chnew9uq.png
3)
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2449/dimzondllnamebsenero7wadllcbr9.png

[dimzon]

no...
please check new build http://www.mytempdir.com/242429
Thanx!

[ziw0d0]

please check new build http://www.mytempdir.com/242429
Thanx!
Ок, thx
New build screen (bse_Nero7WA.dll)
BeSweet.exe -core( -input "E:\100.ac3" -output "E:\100.mp4" -logfile "E:\100.log" ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -cbr 96 -6chnew )
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/7884/bsenero7wanewdimzondllnamebsen.png

[bond]

hm did nero change something in their plugins or why should the channel order suddenly be not right anymore?

[KpeX]

@ziw0d0: I deleted your attachments, since it seems you used other image hosting (which is the preferred way to post images). If this was a mistake, please let me know.

[LiFe]

hm did nero change something in their plugins or why should the channel order suddenly be not right anymore?
FYI their channel mapping in 5.1 AAC in recode was already incorrect when opening an .avs file (ie broken in Nero 6). I had already previously discussed this with whatsisname and they had acknowledged the bug.

[bond]

but in besweet it was correct?

dunno what avisynth does

[Wilbert]

dunno what avisynth does
It should give the ordening L, R, C, LFE, SL, SR (WAVE-EX). More precisely any audio plugin (MPASource, NicAudio) is expected to decode the audio and return it using the ordening above. AviSynth itself won't change the ordening.

[LiFe]

but in besweet it was correct?
Dunno about BeSweet, I could never make it encode using AAC (I find that program notoriously difficult to use, and I never know exactly what it's doing.

Using recode to encode 5.1 avis and AC3 used correct mapping.

I also used SoundTrax and the Nero ROM "Encode Audio" thing to encode a "Left, Right, Centre..." wav, and they map fine. May be different with a WAV through AVS.

FYI, the AVS would play correctly mapped by itself, nero would switch the channel mapping.

[tebasuna51]

Only to clarify and resume the new codec NERO-AAC 7 behavior with Besweet about channel mapping:
aacenc32.dll v4.2.1.0
Aac.dll v3.0.0.3
NeroIPP.dll v4.2.1.0
BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.

Using bsn.dll v0.24 by DPeshev,Richard,E-Male,DSPguru (DSPguru.Doom9.org).
or
Using bsn.dll replacement v0.02 by dimzon (dimzon541@gmail.com).
-input FL_FR_C_LFE_SL_SR.wav ... -bsn( -6chnew ... Wrong aac channel mapping
-input Correct.ac3 ... -bsn( -6chnew ... Wrong aac channel mapping
-input FR_C_FL_SR_LFE_SL.wav ... -bsn( -6chnew ... Correct aac channel mapping

Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 3 2005, 14:10:28 (latest)
-input FL_FR_C_LFE_SL_SR.wav ... -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -6chnew ... Correct aac channel mapping
-input Correct.ac3 ... -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -6chnew ... Correct aac channel mapping

Thanks Dimzon.

Edited to include components versions. NeroIPP.dll v4.2.1.0 newer than Dimzon's.

[dimzon]

bse_Nero7WA.dll (http://www.mytempdir.com/253823) - new version is out (small bugfix)

[DaWolfman]

Thanks again, dimzon.

[DaWolfman]

Hey, I recommended your drivers to someone else, and they had this problem:

The plugin seems to work pretty well, but I've come across some strange file name errors. I'm trying to encode an AAC that can be muxed with MP4Box into an mp4 (along with a x264 video track) and then be played with Quicktime. (-aacprofile_lc -exportaac both seem to be required to work with Quicktime.)

.acc output specified = do nothing
.mp4 output specified = .aac output with .acc extension
no extension specified = .aac output in an mp4 with no extension

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 10 2005, 14:35:28

My commandline:
besweet.exe -core( -input extracted_audio.wav -output encoded_audio.mp4 -2ch ) -ota( -g -10db ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -vbr_tape -aacprofile_lc -exportaac )

[bond]

outputting .aac with nero and than remuxing with mp4box will not play in qt, as nero outputs .aac as "mpeg-2 aac"

mpeg-2 aac is the same as mpeg-4 aac, but still qt doesnt want to play it

yeah apple sucks...

outputting aac in .mp4 with nero and than remuxing with mp4box works

[SeeMoreDigital]

outputting .aac with nero and than remuxing with mp4box will not play in qt, as nero outputs .aac as "mpeg-2 aac"When I generate Nero AAC (.aac) streams with Foobar2000, they all work fine in QT7 :confused:

[bond]

When I generate Nero AAC (.aac) streams with Foobar2000, they all work fine in QT7 :confused:you encode .aac, remux to .mp4 with mp4box (!) and than play this output .mp4 in qt7?

[SeeMoreDigital]

you encode .aac, remux to .mp4 with mp4box (!) and than play this output .mp4 in qt7?Yes... they play in QT7 fine and every other software media player!

As you may already know. I prefer to play my AAC encodes in hardware ;)

[Boardlord]

Hello guys!
I'm using this command line:
BeSweet.exe -core( -input "D:\80ms.AC3" -output "D:\80ms.mp4" -logfile "D:\80ms.log" ) -azid( -s stereo
-c normal ) -dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -2ch -vbr_streaming -aacprofile_he ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 )
And this is what I get:

BeSweet v1.5b31 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.9 (b922) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.25 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using bse_Nero7WA.dll by dimzon, Build Nov 10 2005, 14:35:28

Logging start : 11/26/05 , 11:18:09.

BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\80ms.ac3 -output D:\80ms.mp4 -logfile D:\80ms.log ) -azid( -s stereo -c normal )
-dimzon( -dllname bse_Nero7WA.dll -2ch -vbr_streaming -aacprofile_he ) -ssrc( --rate 44100 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\80ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\80ms.mp4
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: No
Error 84: error configuring bsn!
Quiting...
[00:00:00:000] Conversion Completed !

Logging ends : 11/26/05 , 11:18:09.

I have the nero 7 (7.0.1.2) dlls in the besweet folder, have mfc71.dll there too.
I'm at a loss... :(
Thanks for the help!

Edit: I hate XP! For easier reinstalling of this +"!#&@ OS, I install it to a smaller partition, and the bigger one is for my stuff (videos, music, utils...). That's why I changed my program files dir in the registry to d:\program files. And.... changing it back to c:\program files... Voila, the transcoding works.
The only thing bothers me, is that with the old Nero/bsn this wasn't an issue for me...

[buzzqw]

Hi Dimzon !

Since all temporary hosting have deleted "bse_Nero7WA.dll " , coud you please repost it or attach here ?

thanks !

BHH