problems with backing up a dvd

[sh03z]

Hi. Nero, and ImgTool burn, both say "reallocation failed" and suggest the resulting DVD might be another coaster.

I changed the settings of DVD rebuilder to the ones on the guide at doom9.

What is causing this? Is this just a problem with a specific title, or is it something wrong with my settings?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I am using CCE and DVD rebuilder pro version 1 RC 5.1

thanks,

-shoe

[SpazzHH]

Why haven't you updated to the latest version of RB? Have you tried playing the disc on a stand alone yet? Nero doesn't know everything.

[jptheripper]

you want to know if its a problem with your settings or the title, yet you dont tell us any info on either?

[jdobbs]

Nero often calls out errors that are suspect. One example is the well know zero-length file message. If you try to create a backup of a disc that has a zero-length file in its directory -- Nero will flag an error, even if the original disc is completely unchanged.

I would highly recommend using the ISO output option in DVD Rebuilder and burning with DVD Decrypter. Sometimes other programs attempt to modify the source in order the "correct" it -- even when it is already correct.

[sh03z]

hello ladies, and gents...

Actually, I've been having quite a few problems with DVD rebuilder.

1) the output DVD vob's aren't DVD compatible
2) some jerkiness in the playback
3) menu's that don't work

I have pro version 1 RC 5.1

Is there a problem with this version?
Should I switch to the .93 version? I have that one too.

-shoe

[sh03z]

I'm trying the same DVD on the freeware version .93. oh by the way, the movie is called Downfall, I just bought it at wallmart. Sorry forgot to say that.

[steptoe]

Update to DVD-RB Pro RC6, RC5.1 has some problems with certain DVD's. Make sure you USE the installer, it cures a lot of problems people have installing manually


Are you doing just movie only, have you set the 'mode' options correctly. Get these wrong and it will mess things up

For a complete DVD backup, use "Full backup", for strictly movie only, use "Movie Only"


Jerkiness in playback on your standalone DVD player is commonly down to poor quality media (you didn't buy that at Walmart as well by any chance ??) or media incompatability with your standalone


If you are using SlySoft AnyDVD, there is known 'issues' with this software, select the "Disable 32k Padding" option in 'ISO Options' in DVD-RB Pro



Don't use Nero to burn, install DVD Decrypter (its still available, just look for it via Google) and let that burn your DVD's. I personally had major problems with Nero creating DVD' sthat played on one player but refused to even recognise the DVD in another, and yes I proved it was Nero not my media, since using DVD Decrypter ..... no problems at all

[blutach]

To add to that - AnyDVD (and DVD43) has been known to conflict with DVD Decrypter. Disable them during them rip.

If DVD Decrypter can't handle the disk due to ARccOS, then try DVD Fab Decrypter.

Regards

[jdobbs]

hello ladies, and gents...

Actually, I've been having quite a few problems with DVD rebuilder.

1) the output DVD vob's aren't DVD compatible
2) some jerkiness in the playback
3) menu's that don't work

I have pro version 1 RC 5.1

Is there a problem with this version?
Should I switch to the .93 version? I have that one too.

-shoeNot DVD compatible? What software is telling you that? DVD Rebuilder builds DVD compliant VOBS. Are you modifying them in any way?

Don't let other packages modify the files... Create an ISO within DVD Rebuilder and burn with DVD Decrypter (all built in) and your problems will go away. I'd also recommend you turn "32K padding" off. I've set "off" to the default on the next version. AnyDVD, for example, has trouble reading a DVD with padding -- even though it is fully compliant.

[jptheripper]

"menus that dont work"

right.. rebuilder doesnt touch the menu.. if the menu doesnt work, you broke it :)

sorry for the aggresive/grumpy attitude in this post, but i just quit smoking

but as i said,

1. non-compliance - we at least need some details (how did you determine, was there an error, etc..)
2. jerky vid - in over 100 disks, since v8. some thing , i have never seen jerky video. IT is likely related to your system
3. menus - see above

[feedback]

@jptheripper
Good going on quitting smoking, now you will be able to live longer and be grumpy a lot longer in the Doom9 forums. ;) :D

@sh03z
In case you are not sure where the 32k padding is...32k padding option is only available if you are outputting to an ISO image BTW.

First, go to Mode at top of DVD Rebuilder Pro.,(I recommend you Update to DVD-RB Pro. version 1.00 RC6) then enable the 'Output to ISO image file' then tick the 'Select ISO Output options' directly below it. A window will popup that displays the 32k padding option.

Tick disable in the window, save and quit.

Nero has been giving me some problems as of late so I switched over to DVDD to burn.

Regards,:)

P.S. You might want to let everyone know what version of CCE you are using, also.

[SpazzHH]

I have pro version 1 RC 5.1

Is there a problem with this version?
Should I switch to the .93 version? I have that one too.

-shoe
Perhaps you should stick to the most recent version that you legally own. If you are using a Pro version that was acquired without a donation, that is most likely the cause of your problem. My sincerest apologies if I am wrong, but my intuition tells me.....

[HKT3020_1]

Not DVD compatible? What software is telling you that? DVD Rebuilder builds DVD compliant VOBS. Are you modifying them in any way?

Don't let other packages modify the files... Create an ISO within DVD Rebuilder and burn with DVD Decrypter (all built in) and your problems will go away. I'd also recommend you turn "32K padding" off. I've set "off" to the default on the next version. AnyDVD, for example, has trouble reading a DVD with padding -- even though it is fully compliant.

In your defense Jdobbs I remember reporting a few problems while backing up the Matrix R1 NTSC DVD. I burned that with Nero and I received a few warnings here and there, the most popular one being that it won't play back properly. That resulted in moments of skipping in certain scenes on the disc, I then chose to try it again and created an ISO with the files created by DVD-RB. For this I used ImgTool Classic & burned the ISO with Decrypter and the DVD came back without a problem so in conclusion I blame Nero. :D

[sh03z]

okay, thanks everyone, that was very helpfull.

I am using CCE SP version 2.70

I am going to try the ISO option now with 32k padding, seeing that nero is probably at fault.
I'll try that and see what happens.

-shoe

[sh03z]

sorry I meant I would disable 32k padding

[sh03z]

okay...it works now

thanks for your help everyone

It's nice to know I can count on you all ;-)

[steptoe]

Sorry to upset Nero fans, but I proved a long time ago DVD's I burnt using Nero refused to play on another DVD player I bought, it even refused to even recognise the DVD at all, but still played happily in the other standalone

So, tried burning using DVD Decrypter before buying different media, and the DVD played perfectly in both players


All I did was burn using DVD Decrypter instead of Nero, same media, same source, same transcoder (before I'd heard of used DVD-RB)


So since then I've avoided Nero for burning video DVD's, its still buggy and still comes up with stupid error messages, it still occassionally screws up your system because it doesn't like something you've just installed, and I'm using Nero 7 now as it won't let have Nero 6 and Nero 7 installed at the same time

For data DVD's and CD's, its great, for video ... terrible


If you're having problems with Nero, just try what I did and let DVD Decrypter handle you're burning needs, plus the fact its automatic using DVD-RB which means you can wander off and come back to a nice backup DVD waiting for you

[Carpo]

so should we use padding option or not ? would like to use the iso creation as it would save me making the isos myself but i dont want to make coasters - or is it progs like nero and/or anydvd just being to sensitive ?

EDIT: never mind i found this http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/Burning%20With%20PgcEdit.htm - seems to suggest that you do have it on

[feedback]

so should we use padding option or not ? would like to use the iso creation as it would save me making the isos myself but i dont want to make coasters - or is it progs like nero and/or anydvd just being to sensitive ?
@Carpo
I don't use it only because Nero was giving errors with it.

Shrink worked fine with it. In other words, loading first in a virtual drive I could not open or load the ISO in Nero but I could open it in Shrink. The problem followed Nero.

jdobbs indicated that he does not enable his 32k padding BTW.

Regards,:)

[Carpo]

last time i had any issues with nero it was when i was putting the files into nero instead of telling it to burn a ready made iso, i'll test it out overnight and see what happens in the morn (using nero 6.6.0.16)

been using imtool classic to make the isos which i believe doesnt use padding - as i say i will do a backup overnight and leave padding option on and see what happens

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@Carpo
Here is the link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=100017) on the 32k pad discussion I had a while back.

Regards,:)

P.S. I was trying to open the Rebuilt and mounted ISO with Nero Recode.

[Carpo]

ye i can remeber reading it - its just im slow on the uptake :sly:

i maybe going offline for a bit due to real life issues and just want to make sure if/while im gone all my backups will be fine with the options i choose :D

[Carpo]

well film i did over night with padding on went striaght into nero 6.6.0.16 no errors at all :)

going to give that imgburn a go with the iso i made

[jdobbs]

On most discs padding has no impact at all... padding is only inserted when you have an IFO/BUP pair that has no VOB (or a VOB less than 32k) between them. That is exceptionally rare -- usually only happening on movie-only discs.

[feedback]

well film i did over night with padding on went striaght into nero 6.6.0.16 no errors at all :)

going to give that imgburn a go with the iso i made

@Carpo
Can you open the burned DVD or the mounted ISO with Nero Recode?

Regards,:)

[apfraats]

Did more then 1200+ titles with nero using DVD-VIDEO mode (kind of file mode). I only saw some errors that are to be interpreted as (even useless) warnings, like a VIDEO_TS.VOB is not referenced....

Just rejecting these messages when they where there (<1%) and everything went just fine.

But I keep in track with all the Nero-updates, and that alone is quite a job.

Never had problems with ANY DVD concerning burning in NERO...........

If the result didn't worked (I always try RW first) , it simply wasn't ok right away.....

But maybe it's worth to mention my Nero was officially bought and payed for.....

Maybe it's WRITER support or something like that, I don't know.

I only use PLEXTOR and NEC writers as these are well known, and really function as wanted.......

Never have any problems palying back the cheapest DVD-R on whatever DVD-PLAYER I use... Sure it has to be not an old player, but all players now released and tried are working perfectly..... Just older players have problems because they were developped without DVD-RW and DVD-+R compatability in mind...... Even older very expensive players fail, when just a modern $49 player works just fine, even with the more difficult RW media.........

Taking into account 1200+ DVD's copies in the last years, it proves to me Nero is not a problem....

At least not with the writers I use....

[Carpo]

@Carpo
Can you open the burned DVD or the mounted ISO with Nero Recode?

Regards,:)

not the one i did as i burned it off and deld the img - i will do another one tonight and test it in encode tomorow

EDIT: answered my own Q here :D

[feedback]

@Carpo
I used Movie Only mode in RB with 32k padding enabled to make the ISO.

Don't know if movie only mode makes a difference.
Regards,:)

[Carpo]

@Carpo
Can you open the burned DVD or the mounted ISO with Nero Recode?

Regards,:)

i can get nero recode to see it but it wont let me do anything with it - and if i use the dvd files it comes up with an error - but why would you use recode to mess about with a disc that you have already re encoded in dvdrb ?

[feedback]

i can get nero recode to see it but it wont let me do anything with it - and if i use the dvd files it comes up with an error - but why would you use recode to mess about with a disc that you have already re encoded in dvdrb ?
@Carpo
I had just been using Recode to double check the approx. Bitrate of the burned DVD compared to the original.

However, I have since downloaded Bitrate Viewer for doing that task. :D

But, I still wanted to know if it was my machine or Recode, in general, that had the problem.
You have verified to me that it is, indeed, Recode that has the problem!

On the other hand, I thought it odd that Shrink would open the burned DVD but Recode would not, considering they are both authored by the same guy.

Anyway thanks again for verifying it is Recode that is not able to deal with the 32k padding option in DVD Rebuilder. :thanks: ;)

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Regards,:)