ni hao! (XviD-1.0-RC3)

Koepi · 29th February 2004, 13:01

Ni hao everyone!

We are proud to release XviD-1.0-RC3, hopefully the last version before going final.
We need proper bugreports now ("It's black! I don't see anything!" or "This sucks, it's jerky." is not a proper bug report!), so please read the thread "how to report bugs" and follow the guidelines. Thanks

Changelog:

Quote:

XviD-1.0-RC3-29022004 (ni hao!):
- Bitrate calculator fixes
- Status window fixes (-> GMCed frames get counted)
- Decoder fixes
- Workaround for dev-api-3 non-mod16 encodes
- Mod4 / YV12 resolutions encoding fixed
- Multilanguage installer
-> IMPORTANT: we need proper feedback and testing now - we want 1.0 to be final soon!

ATTENTION: Since I lost all my data, I switched to another installer system.
(Since XviD-1.0-RC1.)
If you used the old NSIS installer, please uninstall it manually
before upgrading with these new installers.
If you have done that already, upgrading with these new installers
works like you expect it.
Also, Win9x support is better now with this installer.

Thanks for your support!

Best regards
Koepi

RexManning · 29th February 2004, 14:08

<totally unhelpful comment>
Whooooo-hooooooo, RC3! Go XviD-Team! \o/
</totally unhelpful comment>

Manao · 29th February 2004, 14:16

Thank's a lot Koepi and all XviD's devs !

OBcecado · 29th February 2004, 14:27

Another RC

Thanks for giving us tools to play with in the dvd-backup world.

Greetz.

vinkes · 29th February 2004, 15:26

@ xvid team, thanx for the new release.
I immediately started encoding 'indiana jones and the last crusade' PAL.

avs settings:
704x288
neutral bicubic
no filtering

xvid settings:
profile level unrestricted
2pass
motion precision: 6
vhq : 1
turbo mode: on
chroma motion: on
frame drop ratio: 0
i-frame interval: 300
unrestricted quantizers (1-31)
trellis quantization: on

decoder options:
deblocking u & uv: on
compatibility mode: on

I ended with a firstpass (full quality) filesize of 1.735.906kb.
The first pass is completed now. Quality looks excellent, i did a quick look, i could not detect any visual artifacts.
I had no probs encoding or decoding. Running second pass now.

communist · 29th February 2004, 15:28

Cool

Oh a sidenote could you please check your pm Koepi?

virus · 29th February 2004, 15:37

well, the only problems I found are GUI-related, and they're almost the same as RC1 & RC2... some tooltips still missing (chroma optimizer, bvop sensitivity, reduced resolution) plus that nasty "jump" of the weight zone slider (set it to 1.15 and you'll see... can someone confirm it anyway?)

I hope not to get bashed for reporting these 2 times, but I think now it's time to worry about these "small" things

thx for all your work

virus

communist · 29th February 2004, 15:58

Yep when you slide to 1.15 and release mouse button it jumps to 1.13. Setting it manually to 1.15 changes it to 1.14, manually set it to 1.16 and then it was 1.15. Is it just reporting wrong number or is that number actually being used?

There is more:
If you choose 'Single Pass', switch to 'Target quant', enter any value between 1.13 and 1.16 and keep switching between 'Target quant' and 'Target Bitrate' it will incrementally drop the Target quant to 1.12 with each switching.

Just went through Target Quant again with the keyboard there seem to be a lot more values that are simply not 'allowed':
2.01 2.03 2.05 2.07 2.26
and more...
Values not allowed for Weight:
0.29 0.57 0.58 1.12-1.16
Also if you enter 1.16 in weight / quant (Zone options) and then switch to the other method and hit ok / enter it will decrease the value too.

To the devels:
Are these values not allowed and are there for being skipped?

Koepi · 29th February 2004, 16:26

That jumping slider issue is (hooray!) yet again a M$ bug. We need to look into that (i.e. remove the slider completele).

@communist:

Your PM was regarding Reduced Resolution: it's not broken, but it's not meant for the mainstream usage. It's there for streaming media (therefore a rule 1 strike, it's gotten explained many times) over the internet. We have now the profile "ASP level 5" as default which prevents the usage of reduced resolution.

Regards
Koepi

communist · 29th February 2004, 17:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Koepi
it's not broken,

Ok thats all I wanted to know

Thx for clarifying.

crusty · 29th February 2004, 17:42

@communist:
It's not broken, it's simply of not much use.
AFAIK it's not broken or buggy, but the proper use of it requires a dynamic implementation of RRV which isn't implemented (yet) in XviD.
Basically that means it's pretty much useless.
Use the search, there's a post by sysKin which pretty much explains it.

snorre · 29th February 2004, 19:37

No fair! I've been a fan of your binary since I started using XviD, but lately I've been compiling my own XviD codecs (better CPU optimization I think, gains ~20% speed over Koepi's binary).

I can't find RC3 for download on xvid.org!!!

atreya2011 · 29th February 2004, 19:45

http://koepi.roeder.goe.net/

get it from Koepi's site then....

snorre · 29th February 2004, 19:49

Quote:

Originally posted by atreya2011
get it from Koepi's site then....

I have, but as you can read in my post, I prefer to compile myself, so I need the sourcecode, not a precompiled binary.

Episode · 29th February 2004, 19:56

You can get the source code from here.

snorre · 29th February 2004, 19:58

Thanks!

communist · 29th February 2004, 20:17

Quote:

Originally posted by crusty
Use the search, there's a post by sysKin which pretty much explains it.

Exactly. This is the post I was refering to :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64924

Quote:

Originally posted by sysKin
There is a big chance it's even broken completely. I haven't tested it for ages... And if it is, I have no idea if it's decoder or encoder that has it broken (or both).

Thats why I wanted to know if its broken or not.

Koepi · 29th February 2004, 20:32

Quote:

Originally posted by snorre
optimization I think, gains ~20% speed over Koepi's binary).

a) For which CPU are you optimizing?

b) 20% gain is quite unrealistic. Retest with your compile of rc3 and my build. (Do a proper speed test, exactly the same setup, fresh restarted system etc.). You can squeeze out max. 5% more as a rough guess from optimizing for a special CPU.

Koepi

Selur · 29th February 2004, 21:40

If 20% turns out to be true, I'll start compiling my own builds too, but I guess Koepi is right normally 5% is more realistic.

Cu Selur

Ps.: are there any plans to change the GUI up to 1.0? (otherwise I'll update my 'Wissenswertes rund um Xvid' next weekend)

crusty · 29th February 2004, 22:13

Yes, I'd love to know that as well...I'm planning to include screenshots of vfw GUI in my FAQ.

BTW, haven't tried RC3 yet, but have started encoding again with RC2 and must say that not only quality is excellent, but speed is A-OK as well.
20-25 fps on NTSC version of Disney's alice in wonderland using Undot, Dup, and Fluxsmooth is quite neat! (Settings: VHQ 4 (!) B-fr 2/1.5/1, H.263, Chroma Optimizer, Trellis). I was especially surprised about the speed i get with VHQ=4.

(As a sidenote: I found that Alice in Wonderland animation is in fact often only 12 FPS. Only when there's a lot of motion in the clip it's true 24FPS. I guess they were kinda lazy over at Disney's..)

29th February 2004, 15:26	#5 \| Link
vinkes now at 300 xvid rips! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 44	@ xvid team, thanx for the new release. I immediately started encoding 'indiana jones and the last crusade' PAL. avs settings: 704x288 neutral bicubic no filtering xvid settings: profile level unrestricted 2pass motion precision: 6 vhq : 1 turbo mode: on chroma motion: on frame drop ratio: 0 i-frame interval: 300 unrestricted quantizers (1-31) trellis quantization: on decoder options: deblocking u & uv: on compatibility mode: on I ended with a firstpass (full quality) filesize of 1.735.906kb. The first pass is completed now. Quality looks excellent, i did a quick look, i could not detect any visual artifacts. I had no probs encoding or decoding. Running second pass now. __________________ Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

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communist Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142	Yep when you slide to 1.15 and release mouse button it jumps to 1.13. Setting it manually to 1.15 changes it to 1.14, manually set it to 1.16 and then it was 1.15. Is it just reporting wrong number or is that number actually being used? There is more: If you choose 'Single Pass', switch to 'Target quant', enter any value between 1.13 and 1.16 and keep switching between 'Target quant' and 'Target Bitrate' it will incrementally drop the Target quant to 1.12 with each switching. Just went through Target Quant again with the keyboard there seem to be a lot more values that are simply not 'allowed': 2.01 2.03 2.05 2.07 2.26 and more... Values not allowed for Weight: 0.29 0.57 0.58 1.12-1.16 Also if you enter 1.16 in weight / quant (Zone options) and then switch to the other method and hit ok / enter it will decrease the value too. To the devels: Are these values not allowed and are there for being skipped? Last edited by communist; 29th February 2004 at 16:26.

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Koepi Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 4,453	That jumping slider issue is (hooray!) yet again a M$ bug. We need to look into that (i.e. remove the slider completele). @communist: Your PM was regarding Reduced Resolution: it's not broken, but it's not meant for the mainstream usage. It's there for streaming media (therefore a rule 1 strike, it's gotten explained many times) over the internet. We have now the profile "ASP level 5" as default which prevents the usage of reduced resolution. Regards Koepi __________________ Koepi's new media development site Last edited by Koepi; 29th February 2004 at 16:32.

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crusty Ahhh....Nuts!! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 308	@communist: It's not broken, it's simply of not much use. AFAIK it's not broken or buggy, but the proper use of it requires a dynamic implementation of RRV which isn't implemented (yet) in XviD. Basically that means it's pretty much useless. Use the search, there's a post by sysKin which pretty much explains it. __________________ Xp2100+, ECS L7VTA, Terratec Aureon Fun, Radeon 9500 pro, Maxtor 200 GB HDD, 512 MB ram, Windows 2003 server New Xvid FAQ at ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html Want to know how Bush is meddling with your dollars? www.bushnews.com My Weblog

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snorre Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 28	No fair! I've been a fan of your binary since I started using XviD, but lately I've been compiling my own XviD codecs (better CPU optimization I think, gains ~20% speed over Koepi's binary). I can't find RC3 for download on xvid.org!!! __________________ Stop cryin' and mow the lawn! Last edited by snorre; 29th February 2004 at 19:48.

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RexManning Generalization Officer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany, BY Posts: 37	<totally unhelpful comment> Whooooo-hooooooo, RC3! Go XviD-Team! \o/ </totally unhelpful comment>

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Manao Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: France Posts: 2,774	Thank's a lot Koepi and all XviD's devs !

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OBcecado LuLz Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 113	Another RC Thanks for giving us tools to play with in the dvd-backup world. Greetz.

29th February 2004, 15:28	#6 \| Link
communist Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,142	Cool Oh a sidenote could you please check your pm Koepi?

29th February 2004, 15:37	#7 \| Link
virus Senior n00b Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 446	well, the only problems I found are GUI-related, and they're almost the same as RC1 & RC2... some tooltips still missing (chroma optimizer, bvop sensitivity, reduced resolution) plus that nasty "jump" of the weight zone slider (set it to 1.15 and you'll see... can someone confirm it anyway?) I hope not to get bashed for reporting these 2 times, but I think now it's time to worry about these "small" things thx for all your work virus

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atreya2011 Apprentice Ripper Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 90	http://koepi.roeder.goe.net/ get it from Koepi's site then.... __________________ My Rig(Not the best, but good enough) AMD Athlon XP 2100+ ATI Radeon 9700 PRO 80 GB Seagate HDD 7200 RPM LG 16X DVDROM Drive Kingston 512MB PC3200 DDR-RAM ABIT NF7 NForce2 MOBO

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Episode n00b Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 122	You can get the source code from here.

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snorre Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 28	Thanks! __________________ Stop cryin' and mow the lawn!

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Selur member of flaskmpeg.info Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,952	If 20% turns out to be true, I'll start compiling my own builds too, but I guess Koepi is right normally 5% is more realistic. Cu Selur Ps.: are there any plans to change the GUI up to 1.0? (otherwise I'll update my 'Wissenswertes rund um Xvid' next weekend) Last edited by Selur; 20th June 2006 at 19:20.

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crusty Ahhh....Nuts!! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 308	Yes, I'd love to know that as well...I'm planning to include screenshots of vfw GUI in my FAQ. BTW, haven't tried RC3 yet, but have started encoding again with RC2 and must say that not only quality is excellent, but speed is A-OK as well. 20-25 fps on NTSC version of Disney's alice in wonderland using Undot, Dup, and Fluxsmooth is quite neat! (Settings: VHQ 4 (!) B-fr 2/1.5/1, H.263, Chroma Optimizer, Trellis). I was especially surprised about the speed i get with VHQ=4. (As a sidenote: I found that Alice in Wonderland animation is in fact often only 12 FPS. Only when there's a lot of motion in the clip it's true 24FPS. I guess they were kinda lazy over at Disney's..) __________________ Xp2100+, ECS L7VTA, Terratec Aureon Fun, Radeon 9500 pro, Maxtor 200 GB HDD, 512 MB ram, Windows 2003 server New Xvid FAQ at ronald.vslcatena.nl/docs/xvidfaq.html Want to know how Bush is meddling with your dollars? www.bushnews.com My Weblog

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