Nero Digital AVC hardware players

AlexeyS · 27th May 2005, 12:23

Are there any players? If not, then when this players will be available?

Are there any AVC HDTV profile players?

G-Slide · 27th May 2005, 12:27

Kiss Dp-600 series, but not yet rated...

it will be avaible in 1 or 2 months, using sigma designs new series xxxxx20L. But i don't know if it will play HD movies (i wish so !

)

bond · 27th May 2005, 13:40

moved to where it belongs

SeeMoreDigital · 27th May 2005, 16:21

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Originally posted by bond
moved to where it belongs

Thanks Bond

Quote:

Originally posted by G-Slide
Kiss Dp-600 series, but not yet rated...

it will be avaible in 1 or 2 months, using sigma designs new series xxxxx20L. But i don't know if it will play HD movies (i wish so ! )

If you mean Sigma's EM8620L chip-set... despite what you've read, this chip-set does not support Mpeg4 AVC hardware decoding

If you would like to know which of Sigma's chip-set do support Mpeg4 AVC (and VC1) see below: -

But fear not, as it looks like JVC will be launching an I-O DATA re-badged player soon!

Cheers

G-Slide · 27th May 2005, 20:00

oups ! my mistake ! 22L

iwod · 28th May 2005, 07:28

Sorry... but care to explain what has JVC and IO data about?

So will the Kiss Support it or not. ( I am very very interested in AVC decoding Player..... ARHHHH ).

Wouldn't it be nice if Xbox 360 or PS3 could do Nero Digital AVC decoding?

G-Slide · 28th May 2005, 13:05

for ps3/xbox360, i don't know, but microsoft will install an counterpiracy system, due to xbox mods, and maybe il will be impossible to put a mod...

but both videosystems are powerful enough to read AVC...

SeeMoreDigital · 28th May 2005, 13:25

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Originally posted by iwod
Sorry... but care to explain what has JVC and IO data about?

There's not a lot of information about the proposed player(s). Except for what's been hinted at over on the AVS forum...

Look in either the I-O DATA or Buffalo player threads. You might also find something if you do a search under AVLP3

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Originally posted by iwod
So will the Kiss Support it or not. ( I am very very interested in AVC decoding Player..... ARHHHH )

Who knows... there's no (correct) AVC player information posted on KISS's web site!

You would think if KISS were planning to sell such players, they would be bragging about it "now"... But they are not!

Cheers

Latexxx · 28th May 2005, 14:48

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Originally posted by iwod
Wouldn't it be nice if Xbox 360 or PS3 could do Nero Digital AVC decoding?

PS3 plays bluray and bluray can use mpeg-2, vc-1 or avc. So PS3 will play it when properly mastered and burned as bluray.

G-Slide · 28th May 2005, 16:26

and DVDs

don't forget it, Ps3 will be PS2 games compliant

iwod · 29th May 2005, 10:43

OK, another reason to get PS3. Hope they get it right this time though. Coz M$ Xbox is coming even better than last time.

SeeMoreDigital · 29th May 2005, 10:49

Quote:

Originally posted by iwod
OK, another reason to get PS3. Hope they get it right this time though. Coz M$ Xbox is coming even better than last time.

I guess it depends what you want out of a player...

Does anybody know whether any of these proposed new game players will include an digital video output connection?

Cheers

Doom9 · 29th May 2005, 11:49

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digital video output connection?

I bet.. but not without HDCP. And I wouldn't bet too much money on the PSP3 right now.. the physical media might still change (see BluRay & HD DVD integration talks).. that has a high chance of delaying the console.

Latexxx · 29th May 2005, 20:07

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Originally posted by Doom9
I bet.. but not without HDCP. And I wouldn't bet too much money on the PS3 right now.. the physical media might still change (see BluRay & HD DVD integration talks).. that has a high chance of delaying the console.

I'm pretty sure that the future disk formats won't integrate. Both sides have invested too much money and they are preparing for mass production. It would have been possible year ago but not anymore. So it may turn out that PS3 sports wrong kind of disk drive, which is pretty unlikely because bluray has much more support from equipment manufacturers than hd dvd.
But both new consoles are likely to have one big problem. They won't play avc off dvd-r's but require you to buy a new generation burner and some rip-off priced media. (Ballmer: there will be a new revision of Xbox 360 when the format wars are over) Yet Xbox will have one nice feature: it will work as media centre extender/upnp player thus allowing you to play files from your pc. Sony, on the other hand, is likely to force you to some weirdo formats and their own computers as servers.

iwod · 29th May 2005, 21:12

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Ballmer: there will be a new revision of Xbox 360 when the format wars are over

Did he really said that?

Anyway, the talk between the 2 side is clearly not for the benifits of us. Sony simply want to buy more time onto their side ,as we read their are already number of new technologies that help to fix the shortcoming of BD. So now advantages to song already. In the end sony doesn't care about HD DVD anymore. Of coz... that is unless M$ decided to step in and force everyone to buy a HD DVD. ( Yes i belive they surely have the power to do so )

An Interesting point Latexxx point out is that they dont play AVC on DVD + R ( ARHHHHH!!! )

Although i am sure Xbox advantage this time is that they are useier to hack for this purpose :P

So i hope Sony will see that ( procide us what we want

)

If Xbox does come out in Novemnber. Than i see no reason to buy a DVD player now with AVC ability. Since the new Xbox won't cost as much anyway.

Latexxx · 29th May 2005, 23:16

Quote:

Originally posted by iwod
Did he really said that?

«We’re not going to be sitting here five years saying, “Oh jeez, we don’t have HD DVD-type storage.”»

Here.

AlexeyS · 25th August 2005, 14:51

Any news? Are there some hardware players which can play Nero Digital AVC?

SeeMoreDigital · 25th August 2005, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexeyS

Any news? Are there some hardware players which can play Nero Digital AVC?

Not yet.... well not devices fitted with Sigma, MediaTek, ESS or Zoran chip-sets!

There are some other chip-set manufacturers but they seem to be concentrating their efforts on putting their chip-sets in HDTV set-top boxes... not stand-alone players.

Cheers

Cyberace · 14th September 2005, 12:22

FYI, a modded* Xbox1 with XBMC can play AVC/H264 video files today!

(* modded = Xbox modified via a software-exploit-hack, or a modchip

).

...just though know that a standard Xbox (with Xbox Media Center) can not play native 720p or 1080i/1080p MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) videos, (well they play but it drops so many frames it becomes unwatchable). Xbox with XboxMediaCenter software can however play and upscale/upconvert H.264 video at DVD-resolutions (max 720x576) to 720p (1280x720) at an acceptable frame rate, but even at that resolution it might drop a few frames, ...through as the H.264 demuxer/decoder in FFmpeg and MPlayer (which is what XBMC uses to decode video) gets more optimizations for 32-bit x86 each week that those dropped frames might relativly soon be a thing of the past, (note by relativly soon I'm personaly guessing around 6-months or so as relative 'simple' MMX/MMX2/SSE optmizations have the potential to speedup decoding signifigently).

Links to XboxMediaCenter's forum discussions regarding ACV playback on Xbox:
Nero-Digital/x264 H.264 MPEG-4 AVC codec, is the Xbox CPU powerfull enough?
HOW-TO play Nero AVC (H.264) in AVI by compile MPlayer with latest FFmpeg!
Nero Digital MPEG-4 AVC / H264 in .MP4 containers support (feature request)

PS! A standard Xbox only got a Intel Pentium III 733Mhz (and 64MB RAM), but if you can get your hands on a DreamX 1480 Xbox it can play native 720p HD-resolution H.264 video and output it to a HDTV display just fine without dropping any frames as it has a 1480Mhz PIII (and 128MB RAM)!

oluv · 10th October 2005, 19:19

sorry i am quite new to mp4 and avc encoding. but right now i am encoding already all my stuff with nero digital and cinema avc profile and i am looking for a suitable dvd-player that would playback my movies.

i read about kiss dp-700 which should fully support nero digital avc, but it will only come out in 2006.

are there really no hardware players out yet, that support avc playback?

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27th May 2005, 12:27	#2 \| Link
G-Slide Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 53	Kiss Dp-600 series, but not yet rated... it will be avaible in 1 or 2 months, using sigma designs new series xxxxx20L. But i don't know if it will play HD movies (i wish so ! )

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G-Slide Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 53	oups ! my mistake ! 22L

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iwod Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 450	Sorry... but care to explain what has JVC and IO data about? So will the Kiss Support it or not. ( I am very very interested in AVC decoding Player..... ARHHHH ). Wouldn't it be nice if Xbox 360 or PS3 could do Nero Digital AVC decoding?

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G-Slide Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 53	for ps3/xbox360, i don't know, but microsoft will install an counterpiracy system, due to xbox mods, and maybe il will be impossible to put a mod... but both videosystems are powerful enough to read AVC...

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G-Slide Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 53	and DVDs don't forget it, Ps3 will be PS2 games compliant

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iwod Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 450	OK, another reason to get PS3. Hope they get it right this time though. Coz M$ Xbox is coming even better than last time.

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AlexeyS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 437	Any news? Are there some hardware players which can play Nero Digital AVC?

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Cyberace Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 132	FYI, a modded* Xbox1 with XBMC can play AVC/H264 video files today! (* modded = Xbox modified via a software-exploit-hack, or a modchip ). ...just though know that a standard Xbox (with Xbox Media Center) can not play native 720p or 1080i/1080p MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) videos, (well they play but it drops so many frames it becomes unwatchable). Xbox with XboxMediaCenter software can however play and upscale/upconvert H.264 video at DVD-resolutions (max 720x576) to 720p (1280x720) at an acceptable frame rate, but even at that resolution it might drop a few frames, ...through as the H.264 demuxer/decoder in FFmpeg and MPlayer (which is what XBMC uses to decode video) gets more optimizations for 32-bit x86 each week that those dropped frames might relativly soon be a thing of the past, (note by relativly soon I'm personaly guessing around 6-months or so as relative 'simple' MMX/MMX2/SSE optmizations have the potential to speedup decoding signifigently). Links to XboxMediaCenter's forum discussions regarding ACV playback on Xbox: Nero-Digital/x264 H.264 MPEG-4 AVC codec, is the Xbox CPU powerfull enough? HOW-TO play Nero AVC (H.264) in AVI by compile MPlayer with latest FFmpeg! Nero Digital MPEG-4 AVC / H264 in .MP4 containers support (feature request) PS! A standard Xbox only got a Intel Pentium III 733Mhz (and 64MB RAM), but if you can get your hands on a DreamX 1480 Xbox it can play native 720p HD-resolution H.264 video and output it to a HDTV display just fine without dropping any frames as it has a 1480Mhz PIII (and 128MB RAM)!

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oluv Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29	sorry i am quite new to mp4 and avc encoding. but right now i am encoding already all my stuff with nero digital and cinema avc profile and i am looking for a suitable dvd-player that would playback my movies. i read about kiss dp-700 which should fully support nero digital avc, but it will only come out in 2006. are there really no hardware players out yet, that support avc playback?