NTSC -> PAL Converter

[xons]

I got a problem, I want to play my DVD's on my DVD-player.
But my TV only plays PAL, not NTSC. The sound is good, the visual is just in Black and White.

So I'm looking for product's like this:
http://www.kanection.co.uk/product.php/40/1/
or better:
http://www.avdeals.com/videoconverters/evc1550.htm

So does anyone know a affordable NTSC->PAL-Converter?
Prefferably in Holland, cuz that's where I live.

I hope I'm suppose to be here with my questions.

[scharfis_brain]

get a DVD player with PAL60 support

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by scharfis_brain
get a DVD player with PAL60 support

Agreed... A better option by far


Cheers

[xons]

Originally posted by scharfis_brain
get a DVD player with PAL60 support

And these players convert NTSC to PAL automatically?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by xons
And these players convert NTSC to PAL automatically?

Yes... they can convert NTSC which runs at 60Hz to pseudo PAL at 60Hz (instead of the usual 50Hz).

This implementation can also be found on many VHS VCR's too!


Cheers

[Doom9]

today, many players, especially the non major brand ones, can even output to PAL 50Hz for those TVs that can't handle PAL60 (it happens.. the older your TV is the more likely it doesn't support anything but PAL50).

[scharfis_brain]

@doom9: I will NOT even try to whatch such 'conversion' because motion will get jerky!

[xons]

Well, I searched with google for PAL50-DVD-players, but I couldn't find anything interresting.
Does anybody know a brand or something that I can find in Holland.

And how much does a DVD player with PAL50 cost?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by xons
Well, I searched with google for PAL50-DVD-players, but I couldn't find anything interresting.
Does anybody know a brand or something that I can find in Holland.

And how much does a DVD player with PAL50 cost?

You should be looking for players that offer PAL60 output (as an option), not PAL50!

All European players are PAL50 (50Hz) already

EDIT: By-the-way... what make and model is your TV?


Cheers

[scharfis_brain]

His TV will support PAL60 because it displays NTSC in B/W
as he said above.

[planet1]

just a thought:

if your VCR has NTSC playback support (only PAL60 conversion - not real NTSC), try to hook your dvd player onto the vcr's input. If your lucky the VCR will produce a PAL60 picture.


well if the EDTV standard PALplus would have been a success, i guess 100Hz TVs would be widespread by now and Europe ready to embrace its own HDTV (by DVB - not just "copy" the US stuff ).
But since that did not happen we still struggle with issues that better belonged to the past...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by planet1
just a thought:

if your VCR has NTSC playback support (only PAL60 conversion - not real NTSC), try to hook your dvd player onto the vcr's input. If your lucky the VCR will produce a PAL60 picture.

I doubt it... And don't forget certain DVD's will contain MacroVision!


Cheers

[xons]

But just to be clear,
everybody thinks I should buy a DVD-player that supports PAL60?
And that I should stop searching for a NTSC->PAL converter?

Cuz, I really wanted a NTSC->PAL converter.
(I made a bet with an idiot, that the problem is the NTSC-PAL thing, and not something else)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Have you checked to see if the DVD player has options to "force" PAL or PAL60 output signals?

Some players do... but are set to "auto".


Cheers

[xons]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Have you checked to see if the DVD player has options to "force" PAL or PAL60 output signals?

Some players do... but are set to "auto".


Cheers

DVD-player:
I don't think so, I got a Sony DVP-NS305.
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers....Search=Search&

TV:
And I'm sure that my tv can only receive PAL.
It's a Philips 28PT4503
DUTCH: http://www.kieskeurig.nl/nl/product....2028PT4503.htm

[Leak]

Originally posted by xons
But just to be clear,
everybody thinks I should buy a DVD-player that supports PAL60?
And that I should stop searching for a NTSC->PAL converter?

Yes. Converting 60 FPS to 50 is something that is often even only done half-assedly when companies produce DVDs, so how good do you think a plain old DVD player will be at it?

About all European TVs that were sold in the last 15-20 years or so will happily play PAL60, i.e. 60FPS video (the video on a DVD is neither PAL nor NTSC, it's an MPEG stream) being encoded as PAL instead of NTSC when played back; this only has to do with how the signal fed into the TV is modulated and not with the image data itself, so it's practically lossless.

You'll get playback at the original frame rate and speed with the original frame size on your TV - what more can you ask for?

(My Elta 8883 even has a button on it's remote to switch between PAL60 and NTSC; maybe look into the manual of your player if there's a similar function...)

np: Markus Guentner - Tegernheim (Aepfel & Birnen)

[MSlv]

How does this NTSC->PAL60 convertion work? I have a Philips DVP632/02 and it has such function (output PAL/NTSC/Multi), but there is a slight difference when converting from NTSC to PAL. I can't tell very good what, it's not the motion, but it has sth to do with the picture (like more flickering when you have white image on black bg).

[Leak]

Originally posted by MSlv
How does this NTSC->PAL60 convertion work? I have a Philips DVP632/02 and it has such function (output PAL/NTSC/Multi), but there is a slight difference when converting from NTSC to PAL. I can't tell very good what, it's not the motion, but it has sth to do with the picture (like more flickering when you have white image on black bg).

The video on a DVD is, as I said, neither NTSC nor PAL, it's just a compressed video stream. Depending on whether it's set to NTSC or PAL60, your DVD player produces an encoded signal that's either NTSC or PAL60.

The difference between NTSC and PAL is mostly how colors are encoded (they're both a way of tacking color information onto a black&white TV signal so b&w sets will still produce a picture), so it's not impossible that the TV handles them differently; on my TV the colors are slightly different when comparing NTSC and PAL...

[MSlv]

Originally posted by Leak
The video on a DVD is, as I said, neither NTSC nor PAL, it's just a compressed video stream. Depending on whether it's set to NTSC or PAL60, your DVD player produces an encoded signal that's either NTSC or PAL60.

I thought PAL DVDs were encoded at 720x576 25fps and NTSC DVDs at 720x480 30fps (29.97) so the video is PAL or NTSC. It's just that it makes no difference when you play DVDs on the PC.

So PAL at 60Hz means PAL signal outputted at 60fps or what?

[Leak]

Originally posted by MSlv
So PAL at 60Hz means PAL signal outputted at 60fps or what?

PAL60 means a 720x480 image at 59.94 fields per second encoded as PAL so every TV that supports PAL60 will be able to display it. Of course, there's also a lot of TVs that will happily display pure NTSC in Europe...