Linux DVD Rebuilder equivalent

The Belgain · 14th February 2005, 20:11

Hi there. I'm in the process of migrating across to Linux (though I'm keeping it dual-boot for the time being), and one of the things I haven't really found yet is a good equivalent to DVD-RB. I use DVD-RB for all my DVD backups, and it's a fantastic program. Is there any equivalent under Linux, that will do full DVD backups (including menus) using a good encoder rather than a transcoder (I imagine CCE won't be posisble, but QuEnc must be available on Linux right?)?

Or do I pretty much have to stick to windows for DVD backups?

KpeX · 14th February 2005, 23:03

Sorry, but there's not even an automated full disc compressed domain transcoder for linux yet, let alone a full disc reencoder. Although dvdshrink is working under wine I don't believe dvd-rb does, let alone the host of apps needed to work with it.

QuEnc is based on libavcodec which is available in linux under many applications, but manually doing the job of a app like dvd-rb is an incredible chore to say the least.

The Belgain · 20th February 2005, 01:32

Well... I was wondering how difficult it would be for DVD-RB to be ported to Linux (and other platforms)? I'd have thought very little of the code would be OS-specific. Obviously, it wouldn't be possible to use CCE or TMPGEnc, but QuEnc is giving very good results nowadays (I personally find it better-looking that CCE in some cases)...

Is this something that jdobbs has looked into (maybe this is the wrong subforum for this...)?

elzmaddy · 16th October 2005, 19:03

This thread is from February.

Any developments yet in this area?

Malphas · 18th October 2005, 08:06

Would it be the case that before anyone could really consider creating a "DVD Rebuilder for Linux", the basic applications would need to have native Linux ports or alternatives? AviSynth 3.0 looks promising (although I haven't tried it myself), and it did look as though something was going on in relation to DGIndex (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=98036) but it looks as though that's history now.

fozzieb · 4th November 2005, 15:27

I cant believe that with the size of linux that there is no one click dvd backup app's.

I mean most of the good windows ones are based on mencoder.

Come on guy's there are a lot of us holding on to windows just because of this.

Cheers

KpeX · 4th November 2005, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by fozzieb

I mean most of the good windows ones are based on mencoder.

which apps are you referring to? I don't know of any full-disc apps based on mencoder.

As far as why developments in this area are so slow under linux: most programs in the OSS world are written because of the author's need. In my experience, while linux users/programmers are above average in computer knowledge, they are far below average when it comes to multimedia expertise. Just take a look at the multimedia section at the gentoo forums and you'll soon see what I'm talking about. My point is that most linux users aren't even concerned with full disc backups let alone full re-encoding. Most are still doing divx backups or single title DVD's.

fozzieb · 4th November 2005, 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by KpeX

Most are still doing divx backups or single title DVD's.

I know but all it takes is for one person to write one app.

the mencoder thing i was confusing dvd backup with divx to dvd (diko)

that i also want to do on linux

cheers

nickrout · 29th November 2005, 04:48

The problem for me with this thread is that I do not know precisely what DVD Rebuilder does. I am reasonably competent with multimedia and video on linux, but the world of Windows tools for ripping DVD's and doing encoding/format conversion are a maze to me.

So what is it that this piece of software actually does? I mean i assume it makes a copy of a DVD, and in doing so has to rebuild parts of it for some reason (is this to fit 9G into 5G perhaps?). Perhaps it is the maintaining of menus that is the unique thing?

AFAIK dual layer DVD writers are pretty common and cheap these days, why not just copy the whole darned DVD?

Code:

dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/your_home/great_movie.iso

You then have a bit for bit copy of the DVD as an iso file. Then burn the iso with your favourite cd/dvd burning software?

M7S · 29th November 2005, 13:08

Quote:

You then have a bit for bit copy of the DVD as an iso file. Then burn the iso with your favourite cd/dvd burning software?

The last time I checked dual layer dvd disks costed more than eight times as much as singel layer disks. That's reason enough for me...

Regards,
M7S

nickrout · 29th November 2005, 21:24

Ahh media cost, now that is a fair comment.

For what it's worth I installed k9copy-1.0.0 last night and ripped Return of the King to a 4.4G iso image. It seems to play in xine ok'ish, but my computer is a bit overloaded compiling stuff this morning so its a bit hard to tell if the small problems i had were with the computer being overloaded or a fault with the iso. Chapters seemed to work.

I will write it to a DVD tonight and try it in my commercial players.

The Belgain · 26th February 2006, 02:18

Well... looks like still no progress. I'm a little surprised about that. I can see that it is a lot of effort though...

shevegen · 26th February 2006, 11:54

I like to compare things like GUI to HTML/CSS/Javascript.

Its damn easy to come up with something that looks nicely with the latter,
but a GUI is somehow more complicated.
Part of the problem are the lacks of good documentation.
For Html/CSS/Javascript you find awesome documentation, and
you can extend this to XML/XHTML/AJAX/Javascript libraries such as Mochikit.

Personally I find that GTK2 is the best to try this, but what you also need to know is that someon who knows a lot about video stuff has to write it more
or less else it quite much sucks, I dare to say ...

nickrout · 27th February 2006, 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Belgain

Well... looks like still no progress. I'm a little surprised about that. I can see that it is a lot of effort though...

k9copy (http://k9copy.free.fr/) seems to work fine now. I am using:

nick@sf ~ $ k9copy --version
Qt: 3.3.4
KDE: 3.4.1
k9copy: 1.0.2

It uses vamps (http://vamps.sourceforge.net/ ) to do requantizing. It preserves menus and such like.

Except that on one DVD it left me with a 5.1G .iso file, which of course is too large. Maybe this is because it had lots of titles and menus and I asked for everything to be included, and it maybe had some problem working out the requantisation rate required.

I will do some further experimentation.

nickrout · 27th February 2006, 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by shevegen

I like to compare things like GUI to HTML/CSS/Javascript.

Its damn easy to come up with something that looks nicely with the latter,
but a GUI is somehow more complicated.
Part of the problem are the lacks of good documentation.
For Html/CSS/Javascript you find awesome documentation, and
you can extend this to XML/XHTML/AJAX/Javascript libraries such as Mochikit.

Personally I find that GTK2 is the best to try this, but what you also need to know is that someon who knows a lot about video stuff has to write it more
or less else it quite much sucks, I dare to say ...

Sorry you got me completely lost about the gui/xml/gtk2 stuff. The best way forward is to write the core functionality in command line programs that use the unix system of stdin/stdout etc, then wrap them in a gui.

In this case k9copy wraps a tool like vamps, and adds the vital menu support.

Asteroth7 · 14th March 2006, 00:12

I use k9copy on SuSE 10.0 and burn with k3b. this k9copy is the most like dvdshrink as a native linux app.

here's a really great source repository for SuSE linux 9.0 through 10.0

http://packman.iu-bremen.de

Only thing I miss from Dvdshrink is the ability to cut a movie in half so I can spread it to two dvd-r's so I can add DTS as a audio stream with full video integrety.

oldcpu · 14th March 2006, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asteroth7

here's a really great source repository for SuSE linux 9.0 through 10.0

http://packman.iu-bremen.de

Only thing I miss from Dvdshrink is the ability to cut a movie in half so I can spread it to two dvd-r's so I can add DTS as a audio stream with full video integrety.

I find dvbcut is very good in chopping a DVD spec mpeg file in two. Its also available on Packman for SuSE.

Asteroth7 · 14th March 2006, 01:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldcpu

I find dvbcut is very good in chopping a DVD spec mpeg file in two. Its also available on Packman for SuSE.

thanks, I'll check that out.
I'm so paranoid about the current state of things in world on the digital tip, I grabbed the whole SuSE repository from that site using kwebget. lol
I just want to reserve my freedom to do what I want to do.

shevegen · 15th March 2006, 01:45

"Sorry you got me completely lost about the gui/xml/gtk2 stuff."
That was not the point. I wanted to compare GUI functionality and HTML/CSS/Javascript.

I found writing even rather complicated Javascript can be easier than to mess with many different things in GTK2 for example.

"The best way forward is to write the core functionality in command line programs that use the unix system of stdin/stdout etc, then wrap them in a gui."
Shell commands are prevalent, and I am using a non-gui ruby script to do all things i have to do for multimedia.

Once this works nicely with many different ways, I will add a GUI to it. I have no idea which one to use though, and my biggest problem are lack of high quality documentation available. I think I will go with GTK2 though.

27th March 2006, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by shevegen

Once this works nicely with many different ways, I will add a GUI to it. I have no idea which one to use though, and my biggest problem are lack of high quality documentation available. I think I will go with GTK2 though.

you might want to give glade a try or even gazpacho (similar to glade and rather new).

if you're into ruby you may already know the ruby gtk2 bindings.

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The Belgain Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 335	Linux DVD Rebuilder equivalent Hi there. I'm in the process of migrating across to Linux (though I'm keeping it dual-boot for the time being), and one of the things I haven't really found yet is a good equivalent to DVD-RB. I use DVD-RB for all my DVD backups, and it's a fantastic program. Is there any equivalent under Linux, that will do full DVD backups (including menus) using a good encoder rather than a transcoder (I imagine CCE won't be posisble, but QuEnc must be available on Linux right?)? Or do I pretty much have to stick to windows for DVD backups?

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KpeX Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Great Lakes, USA Posts: 1,433	Sorry, but there's not even an automated full disc compressed domain transcoder for linux yet, let alone a full disc reencoder. Although dvdshrink is working under wine I don't believe dvd-rb does, let alone the host of apps needed to work with it. QuEnc is based on libavcodec which is available in linux under many applications, but manually doing the job of a app like dvd-rb is an incredible chore to say the least. __________________ KpeX Audio FAQs: General \| BeSweet \| SVCD/MP2 \| MP3 \| Vorbis \| AC3 \| DTS \| AAC Linux Audio/Video FAQ

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nickrout Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29	The problem for me with this thread is that I do not know precisely what DVD Rebuilder does. I am reasonably competent with multimedia and video on linux, but the world of Windows tools for ripping DVD's and doing encoding/format conversion are a maze to me. So what is it that this piece of software actually does? I mean i assume it makes a copy of a DVD, and in doing so has to rebuild parts of it for some reason (is this to fit 9G into 5G perhaps?). Perhaps it is the maintaining of menus that is the unique thing? AFAIK dual layer DVD writers are pretty common and cheap these days, why not just copy the whole darned DVD? Code: dd if=/dev/dvd of=/home/your_home/great_movie.iso You then have a bit for bit copy of the DVD as an iso file. Then burn the iso with your favourite cd/dvd burning software?

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shevegen Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 420	I like to compare things like GUI to HTML/CSS/Javascript. Its damn easy to come up with something that looks nicely with the latter, but a GUI is somehow more complicated. Part of the problem are the lacks of good documentation. For Html/CSS/Javascript you find awesome documentation, and you can extend this to XML/XHTML/AJAX/Javascript libraries such as Mochikit. Personally I find that GTK2 is the best to try this, but what you also need to know is that someon who knows a lot about video stuff has to write it more or less else it quite much sucks, I dare to say ... __________________ OS: Paldo (Linux) AviSynth for Linux, go go go!

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Asteroth7 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2	great ideas I use k9copy on SuSE 10.0 and burn with k3b. this k9copy is the most like dvdshrink as a native linux app. here's a really great source repository for SuSE linux 9.0 through 10.0 http://packman.iu-bremen.de Only thing I miss from Dvdshrink is the ability to cut a movie in half so I can spread it to two dvd-r's so I can add DTS as a audio stream with full video integrety. __________________ Running: Asrock K7S41GX Motherboard, Amd Athlon XP 2500+, 1 Gig pc2700 DDR333 ram, WD 40gig & WD 160gig Harddrives, WinXP & SuSE Linux 9.2 dual boot system. Last edited by Asteroth7; 14th March 2006 at 00:31.

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The Belgain Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 335	Well... I was wondering how difficult it would be for DVD-RB to be ported to Linux (and other platforms)? I'd have thought very little of the code would be OS-specific. Obviously, it wouldn't be possible to use CCE or TMPGEnc, but QuEnc is giving very good results nowadays (I personally find it better-looking that CCE in some cases)... Is this something that jdobbs has looked into (maybe this is the wrong subforum for this...)?

16th October 2005, 19:03	#4 \| Link
elzmaddy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 8	This thread is from February. Any developments yet in this area?

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Malphas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 60	Would it be the case that before anyone could really consider creating a "DVD Rebuilder for Linux", the basic applications would need to have native Linux ports or alternatives? AviSynth 3.0 looks promising (although I haven't tried it myself), and it did look as though something was going on in relation to DGIndex (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=98036) but it looks as though that's history now.

4th November 2005, 15:27	#6 \| Link
fozzieb Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 31	I cant believe that with the size of linux that there is no one click dvd backup app's. I mean most of the good windows ones are based on mencoder. Come on guy's there are a lot of us holding on to windows just because of this. Cheers

29th November 2005, 21:24	#11 \| Link
nickrout Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29	Ahh media cost, now that is a fair comment. For what it's worth I installed k9copy-1.0.0 last night and ripped Return of the King to a 4.4G iso image. It seems to play in xine ok'ish, but my computer is a bit overloaded compiling stuff this morning so its a bit hard to tell if the small problems i had were with the computer being overloaded or a fault with the iso. Chapters seemed to work. I will write it to a DVD tonight and try it in my commercial players.

26th February 2006, 02:18	#12 \| Link
The Belgain Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 335	Well... looks like still no progress. I'm a little surprised about that. I can see that it is a lot of effort though...

15th March 2006, 01:45	#19 \| Link
shevegen Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 420	"Sorry you got me completely lost about the gui/xml/gtk2 stuff." That was not the point. I wanted to compare GUI functionality and HTML/CSS/Javascript. I found writing even rather complicated Javascript can be easier than to mess with many different things in GTK2 for example. "The best way forward is to write the core functionality in command line programs that use the unix system of stdin/stdout etc, then wrap them in a gui." Shell commands are prevalent, and I am using a non-gui ruby script to do all things i have to do for multimedia. Once this works nicely with many different ways, I will add a GUI to it. I have no idea which one to use though, and my biggest problem are lack of high quality documentation available. I think I will go with GTK2 though. __________________ OS: Paldo (Linux) AviSynth for Linux, go go go!