How standalone players are plaing NTSC movie on PAL TV?

Single · 5th June 2004, 01:51

Hi!

I'm interesting in such thing: how standalone players are plaing NTSC source (DivX and DVD) on PAL TVs?

When i am plaing movies at PC i use "reclock" tool. This tool syncronizing output frames to video card clock, so i have motion without jerkies. Also ReClock fetches frame's speed at some range and change it to monitor or tv's vertical retrace and resamples audio streams at the same time. As a result i am always have vsynced video at 25 fps with corrected sound outside of what fps source has. Of cause in some rage, except such wrong divx encoded videos at 29.97 fps and similar, because in case there will be very much video speed and sound pitch changes.

Is standalone players doing things similar to i have or just doubles or skips frames that is not hitting in vertical retrace "time frame" or they have another technology?

Thank you.

Doom9 · 5th June 2004, 01:56

actually, let's skip the few players that have an actual framerate conversion engine (they're very rare), so what is done is the following: speed up the video to 30fps, then output it as PAL 60 Hz. NTSC videos are output as PAL 60Hz, not real PAL (50 Hz).

clayts450 · 5th June 2004, 02:30

There are some players that convert straight down to PAL50 though, although these seem to be the exception rather than the rule, sadly.

The old Wharfedale M5 (DVD only, not DivX) certainly did, pretty sure some old Toshiba decks do too

Zhnujm · 5th June 2004, 02:31

Every DivX-able player i have seen can output real ntsc or real pal (50Hz). (except the JVC 315/316 wich only supports pal)
Of course if you use pal the video does not play smooth anymore.

Single · 4th July 2004, 11:31

Hi!

Quote:

Originally posted by clayts450
The old Wharfedale M5 (DVD only, not DivX) certainly did, pretty sure some old Toshiba decks do too

Is there any url with such player models list exactly.

sarahjh69 · 6th July 2004, 19:08

Xbox converts to proper pal too.

Single · 7th July 2004, 15:10

Quote:

Originally posted by sarahjh69
Xbox converts to proper pal too.

Hmmm...

Is Xbox can be full functional dvd and|or divx player such good as standalone?
Is anobody here who own xbox, can you confirm that?

Now i am looking at BBK 965 and thinking to buy or not to buy.

Lagoon · 7th July 2004, 23:20

XBox is way better than any standalones.

Constantly updated, can now play RV10/AAC, nero digital encodes and many more.

Of course classic codecs (DivX, XviD) just play perfect.

sarahjh69 · 8th July 2004, 12:25

My xbox is the best standalone ever
converts NTSC to PAL that will record on my VHS or Philips dvd recorder.

I can zoom into the letterboxed dvd to record full screen onto VHS
(some of those widescreen dvds need it)

Has played any avi, mpg, mp3 and dvd I have ever put in it!

SeeMoreDigital · 8th July 2004, 12:46

I keep trying to convince myself that I really should buy an XboX.

And given that with the correct software incentive it can play just about any file going, it's got to be worth the effort.

I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago) that the European (PAL/SECAM) XboX's had quite different specs to the NTSC XboX's... Was this ever true and would it make much difference to a 'tricked up' XboX anyway?

Cheers

scharfis_brain · 8th July 2004, 13:20

is XBOX able to output true interlaced content?

23.976 fps FILM on 50 Hz PAL may result in three scenarios:

1) speedup to 25 fps (best mothode motion-wise, but for sure not implemented in stupid SAPs)

2) telecine to 25 fps. resulting in two jerks per second, due to field replication twice per second

3) telecine to 30 fps (3:2 pulldown, like on standard NTSC TV, then dropping every 10th field:

Lagoon · 8th July 2004, 19:57

Not sure about that, as I only use my xbox to play everything but DVDs

SeeMoreDigital · 8th July 2004, 20:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Lagoon
Not sure about that, as I only use my xbox to play everything but DVDs

Do you mean your XboX is unable play DVD's or you just don't bother?

Cheers

Lagoon · 9th July 2004, 02:15

It can play DVDs just fine but I use my Pioneer standalone for that.

chilledoutuk · 23rd July 2004, 19:21

I have an xbox in both my living rooms they can play anything i through at it when setup with Xbox media center.

http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/

It can play HE-AAC using the faad codec also plays the nero recode mp4's very well indeed.

The xbox with media center has a HD that you can ftp your encodes to as well as a dvd-rom.

The best feature is the samba based network access where it can conect to windows workgroups and watch video files over the network.

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Single Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lipetsk, Russia Posts: 12	How standalone players are plaing NTSC movie on PAL TV? Hi! I'm interesting in such thing: how standalone players are plaing NTSC source (DivX and DVD) on PAL TVs? When i am plaing movies at PC i use "reclock" tool. This tool syncronizing output frames to video card clock, so i have motion without jerkies. Also ReClock fetches frame's speed at some range and change it to monitor or tv's vertical retrace and resamples audio streams at the same time. As a result i am always have vsynced video at 25 fps with corrected sound outside of what fps source has. Of cause in some rage, except such wrong divx encoded videos at 29.97 fps and similar, because in case there will be very much video speed and sound pitch changes. Is standalone players doing things similar to i have or just doubles or skips frames that is not hitting in vertical retrace "time frame" or they have another technology? Thank you.

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,258	actually, let's skip the few players that have an actual framerate conversion engine (they're very rare), so what is done is the following: speed up the video to 30fps, then output it as PAL 60 Hz. NTSC videos are output as PAL 60Hz, not real PAL (50 Hz). __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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clayts450 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 13	There are some players that convert straight down to PAL50 though, although these seem to be the exception rather than the rule, sadly. The old Wharfedale M5 (DVD only, not DivX) certainly did, pretty sure some old Toshiba decks do too __________________ Webmaster of Area 450 : independent website for owners of Sampo/Maxent DVD products

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Lagoon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 136	XBox is way better than any standalones. Constantly updated, can now play RV10/AAC, nero digital encodes and many more. Of course classic codecs (DivX, XviD) just play perfect. Last edited by Lagoon; 7th July 2004 at 23:22.

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SeeMoreDigital Life looks better in HDTV Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 10,009	I keep trying to convince myself that I really should buy an XboX. And given that with the correct software incentive it can play just about any file going, it's got to be worth the effort. I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago) that the European (PAL/SECAM) XboX's had quite different specs to the NTSC XboX's... Was this ever true and would it make much difference to a 'tricked up' XboX anyway? Cheers __________________ Still confused about anamorphic images? Then look here! \| Main Encoding Interests: Hardware device playback \| My Gear \|

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Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	Every DivX-able player i have seen can output real ntsc or real pal (50Hz). (except the JVC 315/316 wich only supports pal) Of course if you use pal the video does not play smooth anymore.

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sarahjh69 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 358	Xbox converts to proper pal too.

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sarahjh69 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 358	My xbox is the best standalone ever converts NTSC to PAL that will record on my VHS or Philips dvd recorder. I can zoom into the letterboxed dvd to record full screen onto VHS (some of those widescreen dvds need it) Has played any avi, mpg, mp3 and dvd I have ever put in it!

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scharfis_brain brainless Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 3,484	is XBOX able to output true interlaced content? 23.976 fps FILM on 50 Hz PAL may result in three scenarios: 1) speedup to 25 fps (best mothode motion-wise, but for sure not implemented in stupid SAPs) 2) telecine to 25 fps. resulting in two jerks per second, due to field replication twice per second 3) telecine to 30 fps (3:2 pulldown, like on standard NTSC TV, then dropping every 10th field: __________________ Don't forget the 'c'! Don't PM me for technical support, please.

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Lagoon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 136	Not sure about that, as I only use my xbox to play everything but DVDs Last edited by Lagoon; 8th July 2004 at 20:03.

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Lagoon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 136	It can play DVDs just fine but I use my Pioneer standalone for that.

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chilledoutuk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 334	I have an xbox in both my living rooms they can play anything i through at it when setup with Xbox media center. http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/ It can play HE-AAC using the faad codec also plays the nero recode mp4's very well indeed. The xbox with media center has a HD that you can ftp your encodes to as well as a dvd-rom. The best feature is the samba based network access where it can conect to windows workgroups and watch video files over the network. __________________ HQ XviD Music Video Forum When I'm good I'm very, very good but when I'm bad I'm better.

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