What Divx Decoder chips are out there?

Top_Cat · 27th October 2003, 15:34

I am hoping someone can answer this question for me.

I might be getting a Divx Enabled player this X-mas but I was wondering what chips are out there at the moment and which player should I go for? Most of my stuff is 3.11alpha and Xvid so I want that to play.

From what I understand there are a few chips out there from:
Sigma (oldest chip and not to powerful?)
ESS (newer chip?)
Sigma (new Sigma chip, really good?)

Is this all the chips? are my comments correct?

Does anyone know what chip the Kiss DP-1500 uses?

Thanks

Zhnujm · 28th October 2003, 18:50

As far as i know there are currently only players out with the old Sigma chip and the ESS chip.
What i can say from my own tests is that the Sigma chip is maybe older but supports higher bitrates than the ESS chip with DivX4/5/Xvid.
The ESS chip support DivX3.11 in hardware so its better for playing DivX3.11 files (Sigma is using a software emulation for this), also it supports DivX audio. (at least the player i have)

Top_Cat · 28th October 2003, 19:29

Thanks for the reply Zhnujm. I thought the new Kiss players were based on a new Sigma chip? I may well be wrong but I can't see any details on their website about it.

I have a lot of 3.11alpha stuff so I think ESS player will be the better choice for me. Would you have any recommendations about a good player to buy?

or has anyone seen a list of Divx players with ESS chips? I would really like a player with LAN

Thanks a lot,

Zhnujm · 28th October 2003, 22:39

I would not recommend any ESS player at the moment

Problem i know from my player (Yamada 6x00):
-no support for 2 audio streams
-not all resolutions fill the tv screen
-wrong aspect ratio with avi files

maybe thats different with other players but from what i heard its not.

maybe that changes with a new firmware version, but maybe not

bond · 29th October 2003, 12:04

philips also has a chip for mpeg-4 encoding ready (dunno about qpel, etc...)

SeeMoreDigital · 29th October 2003, 13:06

Quote:

Originally posted by bond
philips also has a chip for mpeg-4 encoding ready (dunno about qpel, etc...)

Philips is yet to release its DVD-737 player. The original reports suggested that this player would be fitted with an ESS chip. But who knows now!

Cheers

bond · 29th October 2003, 13:16

a philips guy told me that philips have their own chips but they prefer to release them first in non-philips products (so that the philips brand isnt hurt if something goes wrong)

Top_Cat · 29th October 2003, 15:10

With the latest firmware doesn't the Yamada correct the problem of not all filling the tv screen? or is that still an issue with some resolutions? That would be a big problem for me and would definately put me off buying one.

Are there any other Divx Players with built in network cards other than the Kiss DP-500?

Thanks

Zhnujm · 29th October 2003, 15:36

No, its not completly solved.
Some resolutions still have borders, especially the important 640xXXX, at least in PAL. Its different with NTSC but then in NTSC other resoluions are not fullscreen...

The Philips 737 also uses the ESS chip, and has the same problems as the Yamada.
I dont think you will see Philips own chip soon in a divx player, its much to expensive and made for encoding.

genpix · 29th October 2003, 16:35

I have a lot of PAL DivX (in 640x???, 572x???, etc. format).
They were played in a box on old firmware.
Latest firmware for RJ4000 (ESS chipset) solved this problem. They all are in full screen now.

Still player is very picky about A/V-muxing (does not like how NanDub mux AC3 sound).
Though, I'm not sure that this is a problem of ESS chip only.

Zhnujm · 29th October 2003, 17:43

You mean with the player set to PAL in setup ?
If i get more frustrated i think i try to put this firmware on my player.

genpix · 31st October 2003, 06:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Zhnujm
You mean with the player set to PAL in setup ?
If i get more frustrated i think i try to put this firmware on my player.

No, my TV is NTSC only.
I have to use NTSC output.
Now all PAL DivX movies are full screen (before some of them were in boxed resolution only).
Never had this problem with NTSC DivXs.

Zhnujm · 31st October 2003, 12:25

With NTSC it also ok with my player.
I think i have to wait a bit longer for new firmware...

zag2me · 6th November 2003, 13:40

The Philips 737 uses an ESS chip

ferrous66 · 19th November 2003, 12:00

How about the Equator chips? Are they used in some dvds?

They provide wm9 decoding, including HD wm9:

http://www.equator.com/main/index.html?1

The latest SoC also supports HD vp6, which is the codec to be used in China´s new HD EVD.

monty0815 · 28th November 2003, 12:23

This might be a new chip:
This is where I found the information (in german)
I couldn't find the source of this news, so no other information available.
The DRM part doesn't comfort me though....

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Compatible with DVD, MPEG-4 (DivX), VCD, SVCD, HDCD, CD, MP3, WMA, CD-R, CD-RW

Extra slim Design(3.9cm) --Super Slim Loader Mechanism featuring

Specifications:
MPEG-4 Video Support
Quality over Bit-Rate 5~2Mbps can achieve DVD quality
DivX Support
DivX 3.11, DivX 4 and 5 ASP
DRM (Digital Rights Management)
ISO 14496 ASP
Xvid
Video
NTSC/PAL Video Output, Capable of playing PAL/NTSC discs
Composite Video
S-Video
Component Video (Y, Pb, Pr)
Progressive-Scan Output (Y, Pb, Pr)
Automatic Screensaver
Super Error Correction with Twin Laser and Intelligent laser Wavelength Control
Menu Driven Setup Screen
Parental Control Function
Audio
Dolby Digital Down-mixed 2-Ch Stereo (L,R)
DTS and Dolby Digital (AC-3) 5.1 Channel Decode
Dolby Digital / DTS / LCPM Bitstream Output
192 kHz Sampling Frequency, 24-Bit High Quality Audio DAC
Analog (Mixed 2 Ch) Stereo (Left, Right) Audio
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Coaxial Digital Audio
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Optical Digital Audio
Power
~110V-~250V, 50Hz / 60Hz AC Universal Power Supply
Automatic Short Circuit Protection 27 MHZ 10 Bit Video D/A Converter
Packing details
Net Weight: Approximately 5.3 lbs (2.4 kg)
Net Dimensions: Approximately: W 420 mm x D 247 mm x H 41 mm
Loading: About 3000pcs/40'FCL
Licenses:
DVD licensing fees include Dolby Digital, Dts Digital out, 3C, 6C.

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cheers

Doom9 · 28th November 2003, 12:49

DRM? Let's all join me in the chorus "We don't need no stinking DRM!".
I wonder how that is supposed to work. But MPEG-4 ASP does include all the features advertised in the elta player, so that might just be the chip. I'm hoping I can convince elta to send me a review unit so I won't have to buy (they are not for sale for another few weeks, and then it depends on which stores will offer them.. divx capable DVD players are still not too common around here so my chances of finding one would be rather slim).

monty0815 · 28th November 2003, 12:57

did you get a release date for the new elta player, doom9?
if so when is it supposed to be in stores?

The guy who sells the units on ebay has several bids going, all stating a different date.
I don't really think he sent out a single one by now.
The Austrian Elta site gives a release date: by end of january 2004
...which isn't too good....

cheers

Doom9 · 28th November 2003, 16:13

launch data is mid December afaik. And the devices on sale on ebay seem to be legit, but they're only available in small quantities.

Zhnujm · 28th November 2003, 17:27

Quote:

Originally posted by monty0815
The guy who sells the units on ebay has several bids going, all stating a different date.
I don't really think he sent out a single one by now.

Me too.
I know a person who had bought one at the very first day and had not received one, and i know a person who had bought one a bit later (me

) and also had not received one...
And it seems the MediaTek Chipset does not support Xvid GMC.

27th October 2003, 15:34	#1 \| Link
Top_Cat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: UK, Norwich Posts: 107	What Divx Decoder chips are out there? I am hoping someone can answer this question for me. I might be getting a Divx Enabled player this X-mas but I was wondering what chips are out there at the moment and which player should I go for? Most of my stuff is 3.11alpha and Xvid so I want that to play. From what I understand there are a few chips out there from: Sigma (oldest chip and not to powerful?) ESS (newer chip?) Sigma (new Sigma chip, really good?) Is this all the chips? are my comments correct? Does anyone know what chip the Kiss DP-1500 uses? Thanks

28th October 2003, 19:29	#3 \| Link
Top_Cat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: UK, Norwich Posts: 107	Thanks for the reply Zhnujm. I thought the new Kiss players were based on a new Sigma chip? I may well be wrong but I can't see any details on their website about it. I have a lot of 3.11alpha stuff so I think ESS player will be the better choice for me. Would you have any recommendations about a good player to buy? or has anyone seen a list of Divx players with ESS chips? I would really like a player with LAN Thanks a lot, Last edited by Top_Cat; 28th October 2003 at 19:35.

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	philips also has a chip for mpeg-4 encoding ready (dunno about qpel, etc...) __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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bond Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,780	a philips guy told me that philips have their own chips but they prefer to release them first in non-philips products (so that the philips brand isnt hurt if something goes wrong) __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

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genpix Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 16	I have a lot of PAL DivX (in 640x???, 572x???, etc. format). They were played in a box on old firmware. Latest firmware for RJ4000 (ESS chipset) solved this problem. They all are in full screen now. Still player is very picky about A/V-muxing (does not like how NanDub mux AC3 sound). Though, I'm not sure that this is a problem of ESS chip only. Last edited by genpix; 31st October 2003 at 06:16.

28th October 2003, 18:50	#2 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	As far as i know there are currently only players out with the old Sigma chip and the ESS chip. What i can say from my own tests is that the Sigma chip is maybe older but supports higher bitrates than the ESS chip with DivX4/5/Xvid. The ESS chip support DivX3.11 in hardware so its better for playing DivX3.11 files (Sigma is using a software emulation for this), also it supports DivX audio. (at least the player i have)

28th October 2003, 22:39	#4 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	I would not recommend any ESS player at the moment Problem i know from my player (Yamada 6x00): -no support for 2 audio streams -not all resolutions fill the tv screen -wrong aspect ratio with avi files maybe thats different with other players but from what i heard its not. maybe that changes with a new firmware version, but maybe not

29th October 2003, 15:10	#8 \| Link
Top_Cat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: UK, Norwich Posts: 107	With the latest firmware doesn't the Yamada correct the problem of not all filling the tv screen? or is that still an issue with some resolutions? That would be a big problem for me and would definately put me off buying one. Are there any other Divx Players with built in network cards other than the Kiss DP-500? Thanks

29th October 2003, 15:36	#9 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	No, its not completly solved. Some resolutions still have borders, especially the important 640xXXX, at least in PAL. Its different with NTSC but then in NTSC other resoluions are not fullscreen... The Philips 737 also uses the ESS chip, and has the same problems as the Yamada. I dont think you will see Philips own chip soon in a divx player, its much to expensive and made for encoding.

29th October 2003, 17:43	#11 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	You mean with the player set to PAL in setup ? If i get more frustrated i think i try to put this firmware on my player.

31st October 2003, 12:25	#13 \| Link
Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	With NTSC it also ok with my player. I think i have to wait a bit longer for new firmware...

6th November 2003, 13:40	#14 \| Link
zag2me Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 67	The Philips 737 uses an ESS chip

19th November 2003, 12:00	#15 \| Link
ferrous66 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 7	How about the Equator chips? Are they used in some dvds? They provide wm9 decoding, including HD wm9: http://www.equator.com/main/index.html?1 The latest SoC also supports HD vp6, which is the codec to be used in China´s new HD EVD.

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monty0815 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	This might be a new chip: This is where I found the information (in german) I couldn't find the source of this news, so no other information available. The DRM part doesn't comfort me though.... MTK solution: MT1389 (True DivX Pro) Compatible with DVD, MPEG-4 (DivX), VCD, SVCD, HDCD, CD, MP3, WMA, CD-R, CD-RW Extra slim Design(3.9cm) --Super Slim Loader Mechanism featuring Specifications: MPEG-4 Video Support Quality over Bit-Rate 5~2Mbps can achieve DVD quality DivX Support DivX 3.11, DivX 4 and 5 ASP DRM (Digital Rights Management) ISO 14496 ASP Xvid Video NTSC/PAL Video Output, Capable of playing PAL/NTSC discs Composite Video S-Video Component Video (Y, Pb, Pr) Progressive-Scan Output (Y, Pb, Pr) Automatic Screensaver Super Error Correction with Twin Laser and Intelligent laser Wavelength Control Menu Driven Setup Screen Parental Control Function Audio Dolby Digital Down-mixed 2-Ch Stereo (L,R) DTS and Dolby Digital (AC-3) 5.1 Channel Decode Dolby Digital / DTS / LCPM Bitstream Output 192 kHz Sampling Frequency, 24-Bit High Quality Audio DAC Analog (Mixed 2 Ch) Stereo (Left, Right) Audio S/PDIF (IEC-958) Coaxial Digital Audio S/PDIF (IEC-958) Optical Digital Audio Power ~110V-~250V, 50Hz / 60Hz AC Universal Power Supply Automatic Short Circuit Protection 27 MHZ 10 Bit Video D/A Converter Packing details Net Weight: Approximately 5.3 lbs (2.4 kg) Net Dimensions: Approximately: W 420 mm x D 247 mm x H 41 mm Loading: About 3000pcs/40'FCL Licenses: DVD licensing fees include Dolby Digital, Dts Digital out, 3C, 6C. This post has been sumitted by 聯繫人 : Della Deng 公司 : Addnew Technologies Limited cheers

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,258	DRM? Let's all join me in the chorus "We don't need no stinking DRM!". I wonder how that is supposed to work. But MPEG-4 ASP does include all the features advertised in the elta player, so that might just be the chip. I'm hoping I can convince elta to send me a review unit so I won't have to buy (they are not for sale for another few weeks, and then it depends on which stores will offer them.. divx capable DVD players are still not too common around here so my chances of finding one would be rather slim). __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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monty0815 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 88	did you get a release date for the new elta player, doom9? if so when is it supposed to be in stores? The guy who sells the units on ebay has several bids going, all stating a different date. I don't really think he sent out a single one by now. The Austrian Elta site gives a release date: by end of january 2004 ...which isn't too good.... cheers Last edited by monty0815; 28th November 2003 at 14:12.

28th November 2003, 16:13	#19 \| Link
Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,258	launch data is mid December afaik. And the devices on sale on ebay seem to be legit, but they're only available in small quantities. __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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