Derrow and dvd2one

hothandiman · 5th February 2003, 20:19

This may be irrelevent, but I wonder what Derrow thinks of the competition now that he has gone to 321 Studios? Imagine him on the development team at DVD2one. That would be awesome!

Dre · 5th February 2003, 23:05

I wondered this too.

mpucoder · 5th February 2003, 23:16

Well, I don't think that's very likely. Derrow is in America under contract, while DVD2One is developed in Denmark (I think, at least in that general part of the globe). Being out of America is a great advantage to DVD2One, especially since the decision concerning "DVD Jon".
As for what he might think, my own guess, nervous. DVDXCopy now has to do several things to compete. Speed it up, and reduce the price, for starters. On the other hand, DVD2One could use a few more features, but I hear that's coming soon.

As can be seen, this is a fast moving area, and the marketing window is small. DVDXCopy had the field pretty much to itself for almost 2 months. DVD2One will have competition soon from InstantCopy.

rinkel · 6th February 2003, 09:30

lol,
Make me always laugh

Totally offtopic, but Paris is the capital city of Europe right ?
And The Netherlands must be somewhere in Africa.. hehe..
But hey mpucoder, it's near enough

Ok, back to reality.
Well i guess Derrow will never work on dvd2one, but dvd2one is way ahead of dvdxcopy. I was wondering too what Derrow would be thinking about this.
I'm still very grateful for ifoedit, and like all, still using it. I hope we will hear from him soon.
I also think that there will be more competition between them all, but when i look at dvd2one... it's very stable. As being a programmer myself, i have to say: very well done !!
Dvd2one is build up from scratch and has no history of (bad) coding.
So keeping that in mind, and the price ofcource, i think dvd2one will have an advantage.

And again: do you all realize that this is the FIRST version ???

Rinkel

mpucoder · 6th February 2003, 10:34

I'm not confused about geography, but I could have sworn I saw .dk on a URL associated with DVD2One. Maybe not.

pipo · 6th February 2003, 10:51

From ?ttp://www.dvd2one.com/buy.htm

...
People from the Netherlands

can also transfer the money directly to my bankaccount...

Not Denmark, but the Netherlands....

Pipo

mpucoder · 6th February 2003, 11:07

OK, I stand corrected. I knew it was an area relatively safe from the MPAA, though.

rinkel · 6th February 2003, 11:23

hehe, well you're completely forgiven, as i was thinking it was all about topography

And you're correct, the MPAA does not have such grip on this country. The nice thing is that the European Committee is thinking about how things should be in Europe. The main feature they are thinking about is not to go after private users but only comercial companies.
This would mean that i can make a copy of my neighbours CD without any problems, but companies like Kazaa will be procecuted, not because they are sharing some files, but because of making money out of it. (In this case with advertinsing)

Doom9 · 6th February 2003, 14:44

I think dvd2one is already cutting into dvdxcopy's market share. Give it a couple more versions (implementing the features mentioned on the dvd2one homepage and quality improvements) I think we'll see dvd2one's target audience grow considerably.
I fact I think many people have been using dvdxcopy only because it's easy to use. There will of course always be people who do not want to transcode but I think these people are a minority, most people prefer to have a movie on one disc. dvdxcopy platinum will allow stripping (and thus opening a whole new can of possible worms.. err bugs) yet it won't do transcoding so if we take a fulll features dvdone and compare it with a dvdxcopy platinum (which will obviously be even more expensive than dvdxcopy) my money would be on dvd2one.
And, as long as dvd2one doesn't do ripping the programmer has nothing to fear from the MPAA.. (or not much.. I'm sure they somehow manage to twist the facts and show dvd2one as a tool primarily being used by pirates without having any useful evidence to support that claim).

Antonio S. · 6th February 2003, 15:44

@Doom9:

I totally agree with you !!!

However there is another question...

Assuming Studio 321 lost its case in court, what would happen with Ifoedit and Derrow ?

Antonio S.

2COOL · 6th February 2003, 17:50

Then he'll definitely have MORE time to work on IFOedit's next version! Yayyy!!!!

jdobbs · 6th February 2003, 21:33

That's cold.

Shamanis · 9th February 2003, 02:57

Very cold! Derrow deserves more respect for what he's already given. If 321Studio's suffer, so does he.

2COOL · 9th February 2003, 04:16

Quote:

Originally posted by Shamanis
Very cold! Derrow deserves more respect for what he's already given. If 321Studio's suffer, so does he.

Shamanis,

I see you don't understand my point of view. Keep in mind that this was an assumption to an assumption made by Antonio 2. I was commenting on what Derrow MIGHT do next. I wasn't talking about the present case. I wasn't wishing him or his company any bad will. I have but utmost respect for the author of IFOedit. Everybody has to move on after any ordeal in their life and I optimistically assumed that he would pursue other wonderful things, like working on IFOedit. What's so cold about that? How is that disrespectful to the man? To my knowledge, he didn’t sell IFOedit to 321Studios. In life, we all have our ups and downs but I like to focus on the ups after the downs.

I already PM jdobbs about his comments and only got good things out of that. He understood my point of view. But to go from “That’s cold” to “very cold!” bothers me.

Rombaldi · 9th February 2003, 07:16

There is absolutely NOTHING either the MPAA or anyone else can do LEGALLY to the DVD2ONE people.

Unlike DVDXCopy.... DVD2ONE DOES NOT DECRYPT THE DVD.

That's what DVDXCopy is having the legal problems about. DVD2ONE is a 'clean' program. It's just dealing with the DATA. I have personally used it to downsize a DVD STRUCTURE created with ULead DVD Workshop that had grown just a hair over the line... my VIDEO, not ripped from a DVD.

As long as DVD2ONE has NO decrpytion code it can't be targeted legally for 'a piracy tool'. And if they don't include burning code, it can't be attaced as a 'copy tool'.

I just manipulates data.

Brilliant move on their part.

rishardc · 9th February 2003, 22:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Rombaldi

As long as DVD2ONE has NO decrpytion code it can't be targeted legally for 'a piracy tool'. And if they don't include burning code, it can't be attaced as a 'copy tool'.

I just manipulates data.

Brilliant move on their part.

I agree about the piracy tool piece, but I don't think it could be labeled as a copying tool if it had burning software since once again it can't decrypt the DVD to begin with. It only inputs what you have that is unencrypted. If it burned it afterwards I can't think of one legal reason they could go after them. I don't think they need to add a burning tool either. I'm completely fine with them being seperate entities.

Rombaldi · 10th February 2003, 01:56

Quote:

Originally posted by rishardc
I agree about the piracy tool piece, but I don't think it could be labeled as a copying tool if it had burning software since once again it can't decrypt the DVD to begin with. It only inputs what you have that is unencrypted. If it burned it afterwards I can't think of one legal reason they could go after them. I don't think they need to add a burning tool either. I'm completely fine with them being seperate entities.

There are plenty of good burning programs out there, if you've got a DVD burner then one (most likely) came with it. DVD2One shouldn't try to 're-invent' the wheel (not when they are making an anti-gravity device [grin]). I hope they stay TOTALLY focused on the 'shrinkage' management of the tool and making a total backup.

Slick · 11th February 2003, 17:20

Hi All.

My comments.

firstly: I'm not sure if it would be a good idea for DVD2ONE to "integrate" a burning routine because most users like their own burning software ie: "Prassi, Nero".

DVDXCOPY fails in my book because of this. i think it's default burner must be Nero based (or uses the same UDF format that nero is struggling with because the same Players that struggle with nero burns have trouble with these.)
ie: not all standalone DVD players like nero burns.
I personally use Prassi.

secondly: "if" DVD2ONE does finally do something with a burning process after encoding I hope it will be a simple automated process and include the option to select your favourite burning software rather than force you to use only one.

just my two penneth.

mpucoder · 11th February 2003, 17:41

I agree completely. DVDXCopy has struggled with the burner aspect of the all-in-one program. I'm not sure what they currently use, but they have used Gear and Nero, only to fail with some people. I personally use RecordNow Max because it has the blessing of my burner manufacturer (HP), and works.
Besides burner compatability issues, Nero has misinterpretted the specs and is trying to enforce rules that do not exist (like insisting on the presence of VIDEO_TS.VOB). So while it is true that if a DVD passes Nero's current tests if will probably burn OK, it can fail the tests, and still be perfectly acceptable.
One other nasty side effect of integrating the burner. When I first tried DVDXCopy it would not work on Win98, which is the system that my burner likes best. I could not try the program in any other environment because it would not run without a burner present. It also would not run without a reader, or on previously ripped disks, as the decrypting was built in as well.
I've always liked component audio/video systems, which allow me to get the best equipment for each component. The same is true for software.

5th February 2003, 20:19	#1 \| Link
hothandiman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poplar, WI Posts: 4	Derrow and dvd2one This may be irrelevent, but I wonder what Derrow thinks of the competition now that he has gone to 321 Studios? Imagine him on the development team at DVD2one. That would be awesome!

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rinkel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 86	lol, Make me always laugh Totally offtopic, but Paris is the capital city of Europe right ? And The Netherlands must be somewhere in Africa.. hehe.. But hey mpucoder, it's near enough Ok, back to reality. Well i guess Derrow will never work on dvd2one, but dvd2one is way ahead of dvdxcopy. I was wondering too what Derrow would be thinking about this. I'm still very grateful for ifoedit, and like all, still using it. I hope we will hear from him soon. I also think that there will be more competition between them all, but when i look at dvd2one... it's very stable. As being a programmer myself, i have to say: very well done !! Dvd2one is build up from scratch and has no history of (bad) coding. So keeping that in mind, and the price ofcource, i think dvd2one will have an advantage. And again: do you all realize that this is the FIRST version ??? Rinkel Last edited by rinkel; 6th February 2003 at 09:43.

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rinkel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 86	hehe, well you're completely forgiven, as i was thinking it was all about topography And you're correct, the MPAA does not have such grip on this country. The nice thing is that the European Committee is thinking about how things should be in Europe. The main feature they are thinking about is not to go after private users but only comercial companies. This would mean that i can make a copy of my neighbours CD without any problems, but companies like Kazaa will be procecuted, not because they are sharing some files, but because of making money out of it. (In this case with advertinsing) Last edited by rinkel; 6th February 2003 at 11:28.

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,258	I think dvd2one is already cutting into dvdxcopy's market share. Give it a couple more versions (implementing the features mentioned on the dvd2one homepage and quality improvements) I think we'll see dvd2one's target audience grow considerably. I fact I think many people have been using dvdxcopy only because it's easy to use. There will of course always be people who do not want to transcode but I think these people are a minority, most people prefer to have a movie on one disc. dvdxcopy platinum will allow stripping (and thus opening a whole new can of possible worms.. err bugs) yet it won't do transcoding so if we take a fulll features dvdone and compare it with a dvdxcopy platinum (which will obviously be even more expensive than dvdxcopy) my money would be on dvd2one. And, as long as dvd2one doesn't do ripping the programmer has nothing to fear from the MPAA.. (or not much.. I'm sure they somehow manage to twist the facts and show dvd2one as a tool primarily being used by pirates without having any useful evidence to support that claim). __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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2COOL PGC Navigator in Training Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NTSC Land Posts: 3,552	Then he'll definitely have MORE time to work on IFOedit's next version! Yayyy!!!! __________________ 2COOL

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Dre Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 83	I wondered this too.

5th February 2003, 23:16	#3 \| Link
mpucoder Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,398	Well, I don't think that's very likely. Derrow is in America under contract, while DVD2One is developed in Denmark (I think, at least in that general part of the globe). Being out of America is a great advantage to DVD2One, especially since the decision concerning "DVD Jon". As for what he might think, my own guess, nervous. DVDXCopy now has to do several things to compete. Speed it up, and reduce the price, for starters. On the other hand, DVD2One could use a few more features, but I hear that's coming soon. As can be seen, this is a fast moving area, and the marketing window is small. DVDXCopy had the field pretty much to itself for almost 2 months. DVD2One will have competition soon from InstantCopy.

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mpucoder Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,398	I'm not confused about geography, but I could have sworn I saw .dk on a URL associated with DVD2One. Maybe not.

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pipo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 22	From ?ttp://www.dvd2one.com/buy.htm ... People from the Netherlands can also transfer the money directly to my bankaccount... Not Denmark, but the Netherlands.... Pipo

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mpucoder Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,398	OK, I stand corrected. I knew it was an area relatively safe from the MPAA, though.

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Antonio S. Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 354	@Doom9: I totally agree with you !!! However there is another question... Assuming Studio 321 lost its case in court, what would happen with Ifoedit and Derrow ? Antonio S.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 11,733	That's cold. __________________ "I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me." (Frank Burns) Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.com

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Shamanis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	=P Very cold! Derrow deserves more respect for what he's already given. If 321Studio's suffer, so does he.

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Rombaldi MPEG Packet Picker Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 123	There is absolutely NOTHING either the MPAA or anyone else can do LEGALLY to the DVD2ONE people. Unlike DVDXCopy.... DVD2ONE DOES NOT DECRYPT THE DVD. That's what DVDXCopy is having the legal problems about. DVD2ONE is a 'clean' program. It's just dealing with the DATA. I have personally used it to downsize a DVD STRUCTURE created with ULead DVD Workshop that had grown just a hair over the line... my VIDEO, not ripped from a DVD. As long as DVD2ONE has NO decrpytion code it can't be targeted legally for 'a piracy tool'. And if they don't include burning code, it can't be attaced as a 'copy tool'. I just manipulates data. Brilliant move on their part.

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Slick Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oldham, UK Posts: 132	Hi All. My comments. firstly: I'm not sure if it would be a good idea for DVD2ONE to "integrate" a burning routine because most users like their own burning software ie: "Prassi, Nero". DVDXCOPY fails in my book because of this. i think it's default burner must be Nero based (or uses the same UDF format that nero is struggling with because the same Players that struggle with nero burns have trouble with these.) ie: not all standalone DVD players like nero burns. I personally use Prassi. secondly: "if" DVD2ONE does finally do something with a burning process after encoding I hope it will be a simple automated process and include the option to select your favourite burning software rather than force you to use only one. just my two penneth. __________________ ----share what you know...learn what you don't----

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mpucoder Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,398	I agree completely. DVDXCopy has struggled with the burner aspect of the all-in-one program. I'm not sure what they currently use, but they have used Gear and Nero, only to fail with some people. I personally use RecordNow Max because it has the blessing of my burner manufacturer (HP), and works. Besides burner compatability issues, Nero has misinterpretted the specs and is trying to enforce rules that do not exist (like insisting on the presence of VIDEO_TS.VOB). So while it is true that if a DVD passes Nero's current tests if will probably burn OK, it can fail the tests, and still be perfectly acceptable. One other nasty side effect of integrating the burner. When I first tried DVDXCopy it would not work on Win98, which is the system that my burner likes best. I could not try the program in any other environment because it would not run without a burner present. It also would not run without a reader, or on previously ripped disks, as the decrypting was built in as well. I've always liked component audio/video systems, which allow me to get the best equipment for each component. The same is true for software.

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