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Old 12th December 2017, 21:11   #1  |  Link
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I learned about ffmpeg, x264/x265 and the best CRF's, but what about audio?

Hi,

I ripped a bunch of my Blu-Rays after reading a lot about ffmpeg, x264, x265 and the specific settings, presets and CRF values. I think my rips look very nice and have a very small footprint for their quality (being around 12 GB a disc).

I also found that the answer to the question to life the universe and everything is x264 with a CRF between 16 and 21 with a tune/preset that fits the movie. Maybe I am exaggerating a bit, but as someone who doesn't want to obtain a doctorate, that is truly everything I need to know.

I was hoping that for the audio files there is a very similar approach. Like 15 years ago where you would just decode everything into MP3 with a VBR of around 192 and never be wrong with that.

It would be great, if you could give a practical example for one of my Blu-Rays here. All languages are equally important, so I would not encode a foreign language in with a lower bitrate. But I would not keep two audio streams of the same language. In this case, one is apparently of better quality.

Thanks!

Code:
    Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: dts (DTS-HD MA), 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), s16p (default)
    Metadata:
      title           : Surround 5.1
      BPS-eng         : 2152919
      DURATION-eng    : 03:47:00.608000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 1276932
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 3665508800
      SOURCE_ID-eng   : 001100
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: MakeMKV v1.10.7 win(x64-release)
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2017-09-23 15:52:18
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES SOURCE_ID
    Stream #0:2(eng): Audio: dts (DTS), 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 1536 kb/s
    Metadata:
      title           : Surround 5.1
      BPS-eng         : 1509000
      DURATION-eng    : 03:47:00.608000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 1276932
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 2569187184
      SOURCE_ID-eng   : 001100
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: MakeMKV v1.10.7 win(x64-release)
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2017-09-23 15:52:18
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES SOURCE_ID
    Stream #0:3(deu): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 640 kb/s
    Metadata:
      title           : Surround 5.1
      BPS-eng         : 640000
      DURATION-eng    : 03:47:00.608000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 425644
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 1089648640
      SOURCE_ID-eng   : 001101
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: MakeMKV v1.10.7 win(x64-release)
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2017-09-23 15:52:18
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES SOURCE_ID
    Stream #0:4(ita): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 640 kb/s
    Metadata:
      title           : Surround 5.1
      BPS-eng         : 640000
      DURATION-eng    : 03:47:00.608000000
      NUMBER_OF_FRAMES-eng: 425644
      NUMBER_OF_BYTES-eng: 1089648640
      SOURCE_ID-eng   : 001102
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP-eng: MakeMKV v1.10.7 win(x64-release)
      _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC-eng: 2017-09-23 15:52:18
      _STATISTICS_TAGS-eng: BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES SOURCE_ID
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From what I see, the quality of the video you use therefore deserves good audio quality. It is safest to use aac (or m4a, which is the container) at a quality of at least 128 vbr 5.1 (there are radio stations that consider this broadcast quality of 128 aac as premium). Well, that's my opinion, maybe people like tebasuna51 suggest an even higher quality. You could use for coding fdkaac, fhgaac (my favorites), Apple and ffmpeg. All are available with BeHappy. Good luck!

PD: if you use mp3 192 vbr IMHO I do not think it's going so badly but aac is not going to disappoint you.
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Today I simply flac audio and don't worry about it. It is lossless too so I can always reencode it if I want to.

If I want to save space for some reason I use AAC at 160 kbps (stereo), I usually keep multichannel audio as flac and downmix to stereo if I want to save space.
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