ASIO renderer for MPC-HC

garson · 7th February 2016, 17:48

Hello.

I've been searching online for asio renderer for MPC-HC for some time, as some of you.
Couple of weeks ago I've stumbled upon Multichannel DirectShow ASIO Renderer.
There are both 32 and 64bit versions.

"Official" page and download link:
http://blog.familie-buchberger.at/20...asio-renderer/

BetA13 · 7th February 2016, 21:15

i just tried it...
im not shure w´hy that is but i cant seem to get 5.1 output with it..
it allways gives out 2.0

in LAV it also reports input 6 and output 2.

i cant see where the error is, as soon as i select the normal audio renderer again, i have back my 5.1...

if you find a solution or can make an little tutorial how you managed to set it up, i would really like that..

greetz

garson · 7th February 2016, 22:30

I'm not sure about that since I don't have multichannel config.
The guy who made this renderer has I think 16 speakers (that's the main reason to make it), the max is 24 channels. So I'm sure this is working for multichannel audio.

Now, my sound card is 8 channel (7.1) but I'm using just stereo. In output volume I see Channel 1 to Channel 8 and also in Channel Mapping I see all 8 channels.

Check LAV Audio decoder setting, maybe you have something wrong set there (mixing to stereo or whatever)?

BetA13 · 7th February 2016, 22:40

yeah, allready did that.. LAV is set up for multichannel, stereo mixing is OFF..
windows is also set to 5.1 as is the soundcard..

not shure whats wrong

i even tried different players..

maybe i have to enable the "audio creation mode" in my creative panel..
not shure, ill try this later..

Thanks for teh reply doh..

garson · 8th February 2016, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetA13

yeah, allready did that.. LAV is set up for multichannel, stereo mixing is OFF..
windows is also set to 5.1 as is the soundcard..

not shure whats wrong

i even tried different players..

maybe i have to enable the "audio creation mode" in my creative panel..
not shure, ill try this later..

Thanks for teh reply doh..

It's probably asio driver for your sound card. I have Xonar and ESI soundcardd (both 7.1) and without any additional setting I see all 8 channels in asio renderer properties.

BetA13 · 8th February 2016, 20:28

yep, it was teh "audio creation mode"..

i have a native ASIO card (xfi-gamer) and i had to put it in audio creation mode, now it works..
Well, i have 18 output channels now,lol..

really nice renderer from what i tested, love the "virtual speaker room" option...

nijiko · 9th February 2016, 17:52

It can not be used on XP? I suggest you to use ASIO Cable 1.1 (lastest) instead.

garson · 9th February 2016, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by nijiko

It can not be used on XP? I suggest you to use ASIO Cable 1.1 (lastest) instead.

I didn't try it on XP, it says Windows All on Softpedia page. I don't see a reason why wouldn't it run in XP.

nijiko · 10th February 2016, 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by garson

I didn't try it on XP, it says Windows All on Softpedia page. I don't see a reason why wouldn't it run in XP.

I think ASIO Cable is perfect on 2K~10.

garson · 10th February 2016, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by nijiko

I think ASIO Cable is perfect on 2K~10.

Can you provide link where I can download it?

Thanks.

nijiko · 11th February 2016, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by garson

Can you provide link where I can download it?

Thanks.

It's been so long. I just forgot where I d/led it and where I put the installer into.

toniash · 11th February 2016, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by garson

Can you provide link where I can download it?

Thanks.

http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/

nijiko · 13th February 2016, 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by toniash

http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/

Not this one. This one I had tried before, and it was not perfect. The one I said is stop developing from 2012, because no need.

nijiko · 13th February 2016, 03:42

After install, see pic:

nijiko · 18th February 2016, 18:54

Amazing!!! This tool just published ver 1.28 in 14th, Feb. Fixed the problem in XP. Is the developer here?
But I still do NOT recommend this tool, because this tool is writen by .NET, and is NOT a standard DirectShow filter.
It can NOT be loaded as a filter in Ext. Fitlers of MPC.

mbuchber01 · 18th February 2016, 21:31

Dear nijiko,
What exactly do you mean when you say that the renderer is not loadable as external filter in MPC-HC? Can you give detailed descriptions, so I can reproduce the error.
Concerning your statement about .NET: The fact that the filter is written in .NET language does not mean that it is no "standard" filter. It's the same as any other directshow filter, also technically, but just wrapped in a .NET dll, which does not make much of a difference. By the way, what do you exactly mean by stating that it's not a "standard" filter?

Regards,
Michael

hobbs1 · 19th February 2016, 06:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by nijiko

Amazing!!! This tool just published ver 1.28 in 14th, Feb. Fixed the problem in XP. Is the developer here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbuchber01

Dear nijiko,
What exactly do you mean when you say that the renderer is not loadable as external filter in MPC-HC? Can you give detailed descriptions, so I can reproduce the error.
Concerning your statement about .NET: The fact that the filter is written in .NET language does not mean that it is no "standard" filter. It's the same as any other directshow filter, also technically, but just wrapped in a .NET dll, which does not make much of a difference. By the way, what do you exactly mean by stating that it's not a "standard" filter?

Regards,
Michael

Welp, looks like you got your developer answer

.

nijiko · 19th February 2016, 21:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbuchber01

Dear nijiko,
What exactly do you mean when you say that the renderer is not loadable as external filter in MPC-HC? Can you give detailed descriptions, so I can reproduce the error.
Concerning your statement about .NET: The fact that the filter is written in .NET language does not mean that it is no "standard" filter. It's the same as any other directshow filter, also technically, but just wrapped in a .NET dll, which does not make much of a difference. By the way, what do you exactly mean by stating that it's not a "standard" filter?

Regards,
Michael

Thank you for your attention.
Your renderer can't be registered by regsvr32 command.
And in MPC -> "Option" -> "Ext Filters",
Your renderer can't be loaded for "Add Filter" both by file and after install.
So I call it NON-standard.

garson · 16th June 2020, 01:50

This thread was inactive for more than 4 years.
But there's new version 3 of Multichannel Asio Renderer which looks to be completely rewritten to mitigate issues from previous versions (phase shift and occasional cracklings).
New version is now shareware, license costs 30e with trial period of 10 days.
Also new official webpage and support forum are on https://www.mb-software.at/

Although GUI is almost identical to previous versions there are some new features, like high quality Lancoz resampler, and Automatic Gain Control.
Virtual Speaker Room was there in previous versions as well, and can be used to fine tune setup depending on position of speakers.

Here are couple of screenshots.

mbuchber01 · 18th June 2020, 14:09

With MPC-HC and MPC-BE there was a problem with internal Audioswitcher - if turned on, then MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer will not be loaded.
In MPC-HC you can turn internal Audioswitcher off in the options, in MPC-BE this is not possible and you must use a work around in that you need to select "Dual output" and use MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer as primary and Null Renderer as secondary audio renderer. This way, MPC-BE will not add the internal Audioswitcher and MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer will be loaded.

However, with new release of MPC-HC 1.9.5 this bug was fixed, and in MPC-BE it will be fixed in next version:
https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/issues/463
https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/tickets/644/

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garson Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 51	ASIO renderer for MPC-HC Hello. I've been searching online for asio renderer for MPC-HC for some time, as some of you. Couple of weeks ago I've stumbled upon Multichannel DirectShow ASIO Renderer. There are both 32 and 64bit versions. "Official" page and download link: http://blog.familie-buchberger.at/20...asio-renderer/

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nijiko Hi-Fi Fans Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 222	After install, see pic: Attached Images

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nijiko Hi-Fi Fans Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 222	Amazing!!! This tool just published ver 1.28 in 14th, Feb. Fixed the problem in XP. Is the developer here? But I still do NOT recommend this tool, because this tool is writen by .NET, and is NOT a standard DirectShow filter. It can NOT be loaded as a filter in Ext. Fitlers of MPC. Last edited by nijiko; 18th February 2016 at 19:04.

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7th February 2016, 21:15	#2 \| Link
BetA13 cosmic entity Join Date: May 2011 Location: outside the Box Posts: 256	i just tried it... im not shure w´hy that is but i cant seem to get 5.1 output with it.. it allways gives out 2.0 in LAV it also reports input 6 and output 2. i cant see where the error is, as soon as i select the normal audio renderer again, i have back my 5.1... if you find a solution or can make an little tutorial how you managed to set it up, i would really like that.. greetz

7th February 2016, 22:30	#3 \| Link
garson Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 51	I'm not sure about that since I don't have multichannel config. The guy who made this renderer has I think 16 speakers (that's the main reason to make it), the max is 24 channels. So I'm sure this is working for multichannel audio. Now, my sound card is 8 channel (7.1) but I'm using just stereo. In output volume I see Channel 1 to Channel 8 and also in Channel Mapping I see all 8 channels. Check LAV Audio decoder setting, maybe you have something wrong set there (mixing to stereo or whatever)?

7th February 2016, 22:40	#4 \| Link
BetA13 cosmic entity Join Date: May 2011 Location: outside the Box Posts: 256	yeah, allready did that.. LAV is set up for multichannel, stereo mixing is OFF.. windows is also set to 5.1 as is the soundcard.. not shure whats wrong i even tried different players.. maybe i have to enable the "audio creation mode" in my creative panel.. not shure, ill try this later.. Thanks for teh reply doh..

8th February 2016, 20:28	#6 \| Link
BetA13 cosmic entity Join Date: May 2011 Location: outside the Box Posts: 256	yep, it was teh "audio creation mode".. i have a native ASIO card (xfi-gamer) and i had to put it in audio creation mode, now it works.. Well, i have 18 output channels now,lol.. really nice renderer from what i tested, love the "virtual speaker room" option...

9th February 2016, 17:52	#7 \| Link
nijiko Hi-Fi Fans Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 222	It can not be used on XP? I suggest you to use ASIO Cable 1.1 (lastest) instead.

18th February 2016, 21:31	#16 \| Link
mbuchber01 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 2	Dear nijiko, What exactly do you mean when you say that the renderer is not loadable as external filter in MPC-HC? Can you give detailed descriptions, so I can reproduce the error. Concerning your statement about .NET: The fact that the filter is written in .NET language does not mean that it is no "standard" filter. It's the same as any other directshow filter, also technically, but just wrapped in a .NET dll, which does not make much of a difference. By the way, what do you exactly mean by stating that it's not a "standard" filter? Regards, Michael

16th June 2020, 01:50	#19 \| Link
garson Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 51	This thread was inactive for more than 4 years. But there's new version 3 of Multichannel Asio Renderer which looks to be completely rewritten to mitigate issues from previous versions (phase shift and occasional cracklings). New version is now shareware, license costs 30e with trial period of 10 days. Also new official webpage and support forum are on https://www.mb-software.at/ Although GUI is almost identical to previous versions there are some new features, like high quality Lancoz resampler, and Automatic Gain Control. Virtual Speaker Room was there in previous versions as well, and can be used to fine tune setup depending on position of speakers. Here are couple of screenshots.

18th June 2020, 14:09	#20 \| Link
mbuchber01 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 2	With MPC-HC and MPC-BE there was a problem with internal Audioswitcher - if turned on, then MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer will not be loaded. In MPC-HC you can turn internal Audioswitcher off in the options, in MPC-BE this is not possible and you must use a work around in that you need to select "Dual output" and use MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer as primary and Null Renderer as secondary audio renderer. This way, MPC-BE will not add the internal Audioswitcher and MBSE Multichannel ASIO Renderer will be loaded. However, with new release of MPC-HC 1.9.5 this bug was fixed, and in MPC-BE it will be fixed in next version: https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/issues/463 https://sourceforge.net/p/mpcbe/tickets/644/