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Old 3rd August 2003, 21:10   #1  |  Link
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[Test & Speed] XviD Devapi4 patch 15, RV9 EHQ, WMV9, Manihi, DivX3 SBC ffvfw

Here another demo with this codecs:

XviD Devapi4 patch 15
H263, Ultra hight, VHQ4, Chroma Motion, Treillis, bframe 1/150/75

DivX Pro Manihi
Slowest, bitrate modulation 0.25, bframe

WMV9
Complexe, High quality

RV9 EHQ
EHQ 85, MSL 60

http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/XviD-570.rar
http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/RV9-570.rar
http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/WMV9-570.rar
http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Manihi-570.rar
http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/DivX3-570.rar

Code:
| Codec            | Settings |  Size   |   Speed  |
|------------------|----------|---------|----------|
| DivX SBC         | 570 kbps | 576*240 | 12.3 fps |
| Xvid Devapi4 p15 | 570 kbps | 576*240 |  6.3 fps |
| Divx Manihi      | 570 kbps | 576*240 |  2.9 fps |
| VMV9             | 570 kbps | 576*240 |  6.4 fps |
| RV9              | 570 kbps | 576*240 |  6.3 fps |
|------------------|----------|---------|----------|
| DivX SBC         | 715 kbps | 640x272 | 10.7 fps |
| Xvid Devapi4 p15 | 715 kbps | 640x272 |  5.4 fps |
| Divx Manihi      | 715 kbps | 640x272 |  2.3 fps |
| VMV9             | 715 kbps | 640x272 |  5.5 fps |
| RV9              | 715 kbps | 640x272 |  4.7 fps |
|------------------|----------|---------|----------|
| DivX SBC         | 950 kbps | 720x288 |  9.5 fps |
| Xvid Devapi4 p15 | 950 kbps | 720x288 |  4.3 fps |
| Divx Manihi      | 950 kbps | 720x288 |  2.0 fps |
| VMV9             | 950 kbps | 720x288 |  4.5 fps |
| RV9              | 950 kbps | 720x288 |  4.1 fps |
|------------------|----------|---------|----------|
1)RV9 EHQ is the best and for a long time ...
2)The WMV9 is the second most powerful codec ...
3)Manihi is a little better than XviD but XviD is faster (2x) ...
4)The conclusions are the same for 715 and 950 Kbps ...
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Old 3rd August 2003, 21:16   #2  |  Link
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IIRC, highest EHQ for RV9 is 80 not 85.
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Sagittaire: What kind of tools have you used for obtaining RV9 encoding speed, AFAIK such a statistic still isn't available in any known build of producer.

BTW: Xvid DevAPI-4 patch 15 build? What's that? Never heard of it. :--\
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Source Helix DNA Producer 9.2 Feature Specification

encoderComplexity uint 50 -85
65 = Default : improved efficiency for high action relative to previous versions
75 = High : same as 65 plus better mode decisions, better representation of high motion
85 = Extra High: same as 70 plus best possible mode decisions, very high accuracy motion representation
The higher the value the slower the encode (or more CPU usage for live capture/broadcast).

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http://list.xvid.org/pipermail/xvid-...st/003281.html

@ All

next test: 950 Kbps but RV9 EHQ is best too with this bitrate ...
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Well, you haven't answered my question regarding RV9 encoding speed statistics..
As for this particular Xvid build, I think it would be better idea if you'd use a known unstable build of Xvid ... But then again, it's your call.
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The RV9 EHQ speed is obtaining with the producer.log from RMFactory.

XviD devapi4 patch 15 is verry better than XviD Koepi 24/06/03 (with PSNR, SSIM, VQM and visual test) ...
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Ramirez: XviD dev-api-4 is the development branch that will become XviD v1.0. Bugs which have been detrimental to its quality are being flattened all the time so this update is welcome.

Nevertheless, Koepi's unstable build is still good. So have a play with it if you like and enjoy.

Have fun peoples.
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I did some quick tests yesterday and the latest from HEAD is a few points better in PSNR than umaniac's instabuild from the 17th. Dev-api-4 from the 30th was even better. As soon as I can get the latest dev-api-4 to compile (a bunch of stupid errors :\ ) I'll see what the improvements are.
Going a bit OT, but I noticed yesterday Isibaar must have ported his cartoon mode code into dev-api-4. I'll have to hack it into the vfw and see how well this works :O
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Source Helix DNA Producer 9.2 Feature Specification

encoderComplexity uint 50 -85
65 = Default : improved efficiency for high action relative to previous versions
75 = High : same as 65 plus better mode decisions, better representation of high motion
85 = Extra High: same as 70 plus best possible mode decisions, very high accuracy motion representation
The higher the value the slower the encode (or more CPU usage for live capture/broadcast).
Ok
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superdump: Thx for the clarification , but you see, my line of thinking was that a regular unstable build would be better in a way that other ppl would be able to test it/messing with settings etc (I have this trailer too btw) after all we can't just D/L dev-api4 build just as easily like we would normally do with a regular build available via koepi's web site.

Anyway Sagittare is doing great work,and I always enjoy reading his very professional reports.

Sagittare: sorry for off-topic question,is it possible to transform your adaptive filtering Avisynth script for anamorphic encoding with RV9?(I.E no resizing)

Thanks!
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As soon as I can get the latest dev-api-4 to compile (a bunch of stupid errors :\ )
I'll take a "stab in the dark" regarding your compile problems with dev-api-4. I compiled from cvs the other day and I was getting a few problems relating to nasm and the -I switch. I solved the problem by editing the libxvidcore.dsp file and replacing all instances of:

-I"$(InputDir)"
with
-I$(InputDir)

i.e. removing the quotes. Btw, make sure the full path to the asm files does NOT contain any spaces. I hope it fixes your compile errors as it fixed mine.

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Did you edit the vfw stuff for dev-api-4? Because when I was playing with it last night, I could not find which profile had b-frames options. In conclusion, I could not get it to encode b-frames because I did not feel like editing the vfw stuff. And no qpel?

I thought karl had said that there was extremely little gain to be had going from 80 to 85. I get a sense that you were trying to do a max quality test on all the codecs, but then you also do timing tests/conclusions. Is 85 really the best representation of RM9?

Were these all done using 1 pass?
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The WMV9 clip looks best to me. The RV9 clip looks way too washed out (like when there was that explosion... blur all over the place)! WMV9 looks on par with XviD in terms of detail but had much fewer artifacts than the XviD one. Just my opinion though...
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I am sorry for an off-topic question, but I've never done any serious tests, so I wanted to ask, how could I measure the speed of encoding in VirtualDubMod?
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Does 12.5 FPS with RV9 EHQ 70 sound about right for a p3 2.93, doing bicubic resize to 640*352, no extra filters? I had some major issues with AutoRV9 and avisynth 2.52, had to restore a backup of Windows XP a couple times before I figured out 2.52 was destroying my system and 2.51 worked fine. Also got some installation errors when doing AutoDub install, mscomctl.ocx not modifiable as well as one other. Basically I'm just checking to see if my system is still up to speed or if my dll/ocx set has gotten screwed up.

Source is dvd2avi (from NTSC forced film DVD) going into AutoRV9.
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In my opinion RV9 is the best on this clip. Next I would place XviD. XviD preserves the most fine detail in these clips but produces too many blocks on the fades to be viable for first. Manihi would come in third as it less detailed than RV9 and also has blocking artifacts. 4th place will be granted to WMV9. It's just downright fuzzy and horrible IMO. Finally DivX 3. It doesn't do that badly considering its age.

XviD can do better than this but the constant fades in and out on your theatrical trailer tests do not bode well with XviD. That is, I suppose, a flaw of the codec. We'll have to see if we can come up with something to combat that. However, aside from fading, devapi4 does have some quite considerable bugs at the moment. Once these are ironed out I would like to declare a rematch. Game on!
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Do we have a new moderator?

I can't say I've see seen many posts from you (Demi9OD) before. And you don't appear (as yet) on the moderators list.

If you are new at this. Welcome to the forum!

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I spent a ton of my time dedicated to early on divx VBR before Nandub and VBR codecs existed, then was a moderator of the Nandub forum till it started dying out to newer technologies. I still dable in the field when I see a new promising codec like RV9 .

edit: Most of my time now is spent working and playing counterstrike, and I am looking for a codec to best encode counterstrike movies. These require at least 2000kbps to look decent, and so far it seems RV9 is the winner as far as size/quality goes.

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Well Demi9OD,
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Most of my time now is spent working and playing counterstrike, and I am looking for a codec to best encode counterstrike movies. These require at least 2000kbps to look decent, and so far it seems RV9 is the winner as far as size/quality goes.
I have to admit I'm a big fan of DivX, however you won't hear me argue with you over your RV9 claim.

It's quickly risen to become a very capable codec over just about every bitrate.

I used to dable quite a bit with 480/576 high bitrate Mpeg1, before Mpeg2/DVD came along. However, great strides have now been made with low bitrate VBR Mpeg1. Have you visited the KVCD.net web site?

Cheers

Oh, and just what exactly is 'counterstrike'? Hope I'm not showing my age here!
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Most of my time now is spent working and playing counterstrike, and I am looking for a codec to best encode counterstrike movies. These require at least 2000kbps to look decent, and so far it seems RV9 is the winner as far as size/quality goes.
What is the rez of your movies, and FPS?
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