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Old 4th September 2010, 20:54   #1  |  Link
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Codec Id "isom" // Kodak videos

Hey all,

Apperently there's a bug in Adobe Premiere Pro which makes it difficult to edit videos that were captured in a Kodak camera.

I've been trying to convert these files (.mov) to many other formats and codecs and with no success.

After a while I got to find a software that claims to specialize in converting Kodak's video files (iOrgSoft Video Converter). Between many tries of various softwares that was the only one that did it right. But the software isn't free. The trail version leaves a watermark on the each video.

So I thought, what can this software do that I can't?

I got the following details out of a video that was converted successfuly via iOrgSoft Video Converter:

Code:
General:
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Format: MPEG-4
Format profile: Base Media
Codec ID: isom
Overall bit rate: 10.7 Mbps
Writing application: Lavf52.71.0
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Video:
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Format: AVC
Format profile: Baseline@L3.1 / No CABAC / ReFrames: 1 frame.
Codec ID: avc1
Bit rate mode: Variable
Bit rate: 10.6 Mbps
...
I'm trying to convert my files with the same properties above (I use SUPER) but I don't know what
Code:
Codec ID: isom
is or how to simulate it..

Does anyone have any idea about this?
Thanks alot,
Moshe.

P.S. It's my first time here so I hope I wrote it down right
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Old 4th September 2010, 20:57   #2  |  Link
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It stands for MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003].

http://www.ftyps.com/
http://www.ftyps.com/composite.htm#6.3
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Old 4th September 2010, 22:22   #3  |  Link
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Well the file I converted myself came out as Base Media Version 2.
Could it be the difference?
If so, do you know any tool that allows converting files to BaseMedia V1?
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Old 5th September 2010, 08:52   #4  |  Link
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I got the following details out of a video that was converted successfuly via iOrgSoft Video Converter:
I think you have a misunderstanding. Those details you posted appear to be of the output file, not the input file. It doesn't matter what the output details, since the problem here lies in the input process. The output could be anything - it just depends on what the converter program is configured to output. Post the details for the original input file transferred from the camera.

Also, I recommend you not resort to random crapware out there that require payment when all they actually do is use free/open-source encoders underneath their interfaces (e.g. lavf in the case of the converter you named). There are far better, and completely free, programs out there. If you find your Kodak files can't be read by whatever free encoder you're using, post and ask why it doesn't work rather than using shady adware.
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The reason I tried to use that crappy software is because it did the job.
Obviously all it really did was using the right configurations, and that's what I'm trying to learn from the output file.
Yet I trust you know better than I do, so here's the input file details:

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Complete name                    : D:\HasaQue Videos\100_0313.MOV
Format                           : QuickTime
Format/Info                      : Original Apple specifications
File size                        : 28.1 MiB
Duration                         : 16s 576ms
Overall bit rate                 : 14.2 Mbps
Movie name/More                  : EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY  KODAK EASYSHARE Z950 DIGITAL CAMERA
Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20
Tagged date                      : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20
Origin                           : Digital Camera

Video
ID                               : 1
Format                           : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                   : AdvancedSimple@L3
Format settings, BVOP            : Yes
Format settings, QPel            : No
Format settings, GMC             : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix          : Default (H.263)
Codec ID                         : 20
Duration                         : 16s 575ms
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 14.1 Mbps
Width                            : 1 280 pixels
Height                           : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
Frame rate mode                  : Variable
Frame rate                       : 30.045 fps
Minimum frame rate               : 30.000 fps
Maximum frame rate               : 31.579 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.508
Stream size                      : 27.8 MiB (99%)
Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20
Tagged date                      : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20

Audio
ID                               : 2
Format                           : ADPCM
Format profile                   : U-Law
Codec ID                         : ulaw
Duration                         : 16s 576ms
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 128 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 1 channel
Sampling rate                    : 16.0 KHz
Resolution                       : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 259 KiB (1%)
Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20
Tagged date                      : UTC 2010-07-22 22:36:20
By the way thanks for the attention.
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I also own a kodak camera and I did once the mistake of filming. The movies could only be read (correctly) by the Quicktime Pro (payware). Since then I never used a device in improper ways (if it's a camera then it should be used for photos. end of story).
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The reason I tried to use that crappy software is because it did the job.
Obviously all it really did was using the right configurations, and that's what I'm trying to learn from the output file.
The trouble is that you didn't say what was wrong with the unsuccessful output files in the first place. Could they be played in a normal media player? If so, there was nothing wrong with them. So what's the problem? They can't be imported into Premiere?

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Format                           : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                   : AdvancedSimple@L3
Format settings, BVOP            : Yes
Format settings, QPel            : No
Format settings, GMC             : No warppoints
Format settings, Matrix          : Default (H.263)
This is an MPEG-4 part 2 file, i.e. equivalent to DivX/XviD. I don't know why it doesn't import correctly into Premiere because I don't really use Premiere. You should be able to convert this with a lot of the usual encoding software - Handbrake, MeGUI, StaxRip, maybe WinFF, etc - all of which should be able to process it.

Another question is what format you want to convert to for import into Premiere. It should preserve high quality while not being too hard to work with. I'm not really sure what to recommend for this. If you converted to H.264/AVC, Premiere might not handle it well (because of its slow inbuilt H.264 decoder). The format that your crapware converter put out was H.264 in Baseline profile, so you can just do similar in the free converters I listed. In fact, try using Handbrake with the default video settings and see how that works out.

Ideally you would import the original video itself into Premiere, since it's relatively easier to decode than H.264 (which those programs encode). This would also preserve full quality.
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