SupTitle: an AviSynth PGS (.SUP) Subtitle Plugin

Zachs · 3rd July 2009, 10:07

Hi folks,

I've looked around for an AviSynth plugin to hard sub (I mostly hard sub the forced subtitles) my rips but was unable to find any.

So I've created an AviSynth plugin called SupTitle to do just that. It handles .SUP files extracted from eac3to (both HD and BD). Note that some users have tried to use SupTitle on DVD and HDTV subs and complained it doesn't work. So let me reiterate - SupTitle handles HD-DVD and Bluray .SUP files extracted by eac3to.

You'll need Microsoft .NET Framework 4 installed.

Cheers.

Current version: v2.0.8
Download: http://www.zachsaw.com/?pg=suptitle_pgs_avisynth_plugin

*** Make sure you read the installation guide in detail or you'll get an error message from AviSynth complaining "Could not load plugin".

Kurtnoise · 3rd July 2009, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachs

If there's enough interest, I'll make it available for download.

yes, please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachs

You'll need .NET 2 framework installed.

why ?

Zachs · 3rd July 2009, 12:45

The plugin is coded in MC++ and C#. But, all the frame-to-frame intensive ops are coded in ASM.

sneaker_ger · 5th July 2009, 22:17

I'm also interested. Please put it online - I'm pretty sure Kurtnoise and I aren't the only ones who'd like to give it a try.

Zachs · 6th July 2009, 03:39

Ok, here it is.

SupTitle: an AviSynth PGS (.SUP) Subtitle Plugin

# Supported colorspaces - YV12, YUY2, RGB24, RGB32
# SIMD optimizations
# Alpha channel transparency blending
# Handles both HD-DVD and Blu-ray .SUP subtitle files extracted by eac3to
# Perfect for hardsubbing forced subtitles with forced flag detection (e.g. subs for foreign dialogues)
# Supports seek and jump

Note: It takes a while to start especially with large SUP files. SupTitle reads, verifies and caches all the SUP metadata on startup.

b66pak · 6th July 2009, 16:18

thanks...
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sneaker_ger · 7th July 2009, 12:32

Thank you!

Zachs · 8th July 2009, 08:41

New version v1.0.1 is available. I've implemented additional optimizations. Speed improvement is definitely noticeable. Test the latest version instead.

Cheers.

GrofLuigi · 8th July 2009, 18:48

Hi,

Sorry for my noobishness, but can this be useful for SD-DVD? Is there something that can rip DVD to .SUP format that this plugin accepts?

GL

Zachs · 9th July 2009, 01:41

This plugin accepts blu-ray and hd-dvd sup files extracted by eac3to. If you can convert DVD subs to the same format, then chances are SupTitle will not reject it.

GrofLuigi · 9th July 2009, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachs

This plugin accepts blu-ray and hd-dvd sup files extracted by eac3to. If you can convert DVD subs to the same format, then chances are SupTitle will not reject it.

Thank you for your reply, that's what I thought. Will try to make it work somehow in the future (I'm busy with other things right now).

GL

Adub · 10th July 2009, 17:11

I have to ask, why the hell would you do that? There are already subtitle plugins for SD DVD's. VSFilter anyone? There is no point in converting to a HD format (and losing quality in the process), when you could just sub the SD version using already available tools.

GrofLuigi · 10th July 2009, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adub

I have to ask, why the hell would you do that? There are already subtitle plugins for SD DVD's. VSFilter anyone? There is no point in converting to a HD format (and losing quality in the process), when you could just sub the SD version using already available tools.

I had a stupid idea to hardcode the original subtitles as they appear (bitmaps, .sub & .idx, not rendered with fonts). VSFilter can't do that, I think... Can it?

No conversion to HD planned.

GL

Wilbert · 11th July 2009, 15:12

Quote:

If there's enough interest, I'll make it available for download.

Am I correct that you are not allowed to use it in a commercial setting (because that's what this eula is saying)? I would be nice if you could release it as open source.

Zachs · 13th July 2009, 01:38

Quote:

Am I correct that you are not allowed to use it in a commercial setting (because that's what this eula is saying)?

Yes you're right.

Quote:

I would be nice if you could release it as open source.

No plans for open source ATM.

13th July 2009, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrofLuigi

VSFilter can't do that, I think... Can it?

The VS in VSFilter is for VobSub so of course it supports Vobsub format sub/idx. It also supports the MicroDVD format of bitmapped subtitles.

sneaker_ger · 19th August 2009, 00:07

I'm having a problem with your plugin. The subtitle in this sample is displayed in blue instead of the correct red.

Sample

Zachs · 20th August 2009, 06:20

Hmm. Which app did you use to display the subtitle?
I think it depends on how the app converts YUV to RGB.
SupTitle uses the following formula:
YUV to RGB Conversion
B = 1.164(Y - 16) + 2.018(U - 128)
G = 1.164(Y - 16) - 0.813(V - 128) - 0.391(U - 128)
R = 1.164(Y - 16) + 1.596(V - 128)

From here http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php

Which app created the sup file?

Zachs · 20th August 2009, 09:05

Also, there seems to be some unknowns in the PGS format such as the sequence of the Y'cbcr bytes.
That's the reason you get to swap cr/cb in BDSup2Sub.
I'd be interested to see how a standalone player displays the subtitle.

sneaker_ger · 20th August 2009, 14:34

I tried creating the subtitles with PunkGraphicStream, avs2bdnxml + bdssup2sub and avs2bdnxml + bdsubedit. I don't have a standalone blu-ray player yet, but in MPC-HC and Power DVD all the subtitles are displayed in the correct red colors.

I'm using AviSynth's "blankclip" and it happens in RGB24, RGB32, YUY2 and YV12. While the subtitles appear blue in all four color spaces, in RGB24 and RGB32 the whole image gets green (overlaying anything that was beneath it). For playing I use VirtualDub and MPC-HC.

3rd July 2009, 10:07	#1 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	SupTitle: an AviSynth PGS (.SUP) Subtitle Plugin Hi folks, I've looked around for an AviSynth plugin to hard sub (I mostly hard sub the forced subtitles) my rips but was unable to find any. So I've created an AviSynth plugin called SupTitle to do just that. It handles .SUP files extracted from eac3to (both HD and BD). Note that some users have tried to use SupTitle on DVD and HDTV subs and complained it doesn't work. So let me reiterate - SupTitle handles HD-DVD and Bluray .SUP files extracted by eac3to. You'll need Microsoft .NET Framework 4 installed. Cheers. Current version: v2.0.8 Download: http://www.zachsaw.com/?pg=suptitle_pgs_avisynth_plugin *** Make sure you read the installation guide in detail or you'll get an error message from AviSynth complaining "Could not load plugin". Last edited by Zachs; 15th October 2013 at 05:15.

6th July 2009, 03:39	#5 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Ok, here it is. SupTitle: an AviSynth PGS (.SUP) Subtitle Plugin # Supported colorspaces - YV12, YUY2, RGB24, RGB32 # SIMD optimizations # Alpha channel transparency blending # Handles both HD-DVD and Blu-ray .SUP subtitle files extracted by eac3to # Perfect for hardsubbing forced subtitles with forced flag detection (e.g. subs for foreign dialogues) # Supports seek and jump Note: It takes a while to start especially with large SUP files. SupTitle reads, verifies and caches all the SUP metadata on startup. Last edited by Zachs; 6th July 2009 at 03:46.

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Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	SupTitle version 1.0.1 available New version v1.0.1 is available. I've implemented additional optimizations. Speed improvement is definitely noticeable. Test the latest version instead. Cheers.

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Adub Fighting spam with a fish Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,691	I have to ask, why the hell would you do that? There are already subtitle plugins for SD DVD's. VSFilter anyone? There is no point in converting to a HD format (and losing quality in the process), when you could just sub the SD version using already available tools. __________________ FAQs:Bond's AVC/H.264 FAQ Site:Adubvideo

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3rd July 2009, 12:45	#3 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	The plugin is coded in MC++ and C#. But, all the frame-to-frame intensive ops are coded in ASM.

5th July 2009, 22:17	#4 \| Link
sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	I'm also interested. Please put it online - I'm pretty sure Kurtnoise and I aren't the only ones who'd like to give it a try.

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b66pak Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The Land Of Dracula (Romania - EU) Posts: 934	thanks... _

7th July 2009, 12:32	#7 \| Link
sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	Thank you!

8th July 2009, 18:48	#9 \| Link
GrofLuigi Member of a Library Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 463	Hi, Sorry for my noobishness, but can this be useful for SD-DVD? Is there something that can rip DVD to .SUP format that this plugin accepts? GL

9th July 2009, 01:41	#10 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	This plugin accepts blu-ray and hd-dvd sup files extracted by eac3to. If you can convert DVD subs to the same format, then chances are SupTitle will not reject it.

19th August 2009, 00:07	#17 \| Link
sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	I'm having a problem with your plugin. The subtitle in this sample is displayed in blue instead of the correct red. Sample

20th August 2009, 06:20	#18 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Hmm. Which app did you use to display the subtitle? I think it depends on how the app converts YUV to RGB. SupTitle uses the following formula: YUV to RGB Conversion B = 1.164(Y - 16) + 2.018(U - 128) G = 1.164(Y - 16) - 0.813(V - 128) - 0.391(U - 128) R = 1.164(Y - 16) + 1.596(V - 128) From here http://www.fourcc.org/fccyvrgb.php Which app created the sup file?

20th August 2009, 09:05	#19 \| Link
Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Also, there seems to be some unknowns in the PGS format such as the sequence of the Y'cbcr bytes. That's the reason you get to swap cr/cb in BDSup2Sub. I'd be interested to see how a standalone player displays the subtitle.

20th August 2009, 14:34	#20 \| Link
sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	I tried creating the subtitles with PunkGraphicStream, avs2bdnxml + bdssup2sub and avs2bdnxml + bdsubedit. I don't have a standalone blu-ray player yet, but in MPC-HC and Power DVD all the subtitles are displayed in the correct red colors. I'm using AviSynth's "blankclip" and it happens in RGB24, RGB32, YUY2 and YV12. While the subtitles appear blue in all four color spaces, in RGB24 and RGB32 the whole image gets green (overlaying anything that was beneath it). For playing I use VirtualDub and MPC-HC.