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Old 14th April 2009, 00:57   #1  |  Link
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BD standalone results/tests on DVDR of AVCHD, BD, FULLBD, CROPPED, HDAUDIO

THE TEST
1. For AVCHD, NEWBD, OLDBD, C1080, C720, DTSHD, THD you can download test samples from sendspace / mediafire (23MB) and burn the isos with imgburn. If burning to DVD+R make sure booktype is set to DVD-R. In order for FULLBD testing you need to process an original BD with BD-Rebuilder

2. Try playing avchd.iso, newbd.iso, oldbd.iso, avchd_aux.iso, avchd_strict.iso (results try to be as accurate as can be but aren't guaranteed)

3. If avchd.iso plays test avchd-crop720.iso, avchd-crop1080.iso, avchd-dtshd.iso, avchd-truehd.iso
If avchd.iso doesn't play but newbd.iso plays test newbd-crop720.iso, newbd-crop1080.iso, newbd-dtshd.iso, newbd-truehd.iso

4. When testing FULLBD if it doesn't play with default output run the index.bdmv through goBD and try again.

4. Report what plays and what doesn't. In order for the the crop iso's to be considered playable they have to show a round circle centered on the screen and and no video artifacts. For FULLBD please report if there is any thing in BDMV/JAR directory. Thanks in advance.

H.264 video only

RESULTS
Code:
	PLAYER		AVCHD NEWBD OLDBD FULLBD C1080 C720 DTSHD THD 	NOTES
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Arcsoft TMT 3.0.1.120	  X     X     X     X      X    X     X    X	HDD playback
Denon DVD-A1UD		  X
Denon DVD-1800BD	  -	      X	  				need AUXDATA
Denon DVD-2500BT	  -	      X	    -				need AUXDATA
Denon DVD-3800BD	  -	      X	    X				need AUXDATA
Insignia HS-BRDVD	  -	      X					need AUXDATA
Insignia NS-2BRDVD	  -	      X 				need AUXDATA
Insignia NS-BDLIVE01	  -	X     X	  				need AUXDATA
JVC XV-PB1								<4 GB mkv/mp4 playback		
LG BH200          		      ! 				prior to firmware 0602
LG BD300           		      X	    -	  	      		
LG BD370         	  X	X     X     -			      X	   X	EU model plays <4 GB mkv/mp4
LG-BD390		  X		    -				plays <4 GB mkv/mp4
Loewe BluTech Vision	  -	-     -	    -	   -	-     -	   -    rebadged Sharp BD-HP20, won't play BDR either
Magnavox NB500MG9		      X	    				
Memorex MVBD-2510 		      !		   -			need firmware Dec 24 2008 or newer, USB HDD playback
Memorex MVBD-2511	 	      X					
Olevia BD-110		  X						
Oppo BDP-83		  X	X					mkv playback, USB HDD playback, no weightp support
Panasonic DMP-BD10	  X						
Panasonic DMP-BD30	  X	-     X	    -      X    -     		SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD35	  X	-     X     -	  	      X	   -	may need to disable 24p, SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD50	  X	X     X	    -				SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD55	  X	X     X 	   -			may need to disable 24p, SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD60	  X	-     X	    -      X	-     X    -	SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD80	  X		 		      	  	
Philips BDP7200		  -	      X	    -				need AUXDATA
Philips BDP7300		  	      X					no weightp support
Philips BDP7500		   	       	    -
Pioneer BDP-05FD	  X	      X
Pioneer BDP-23FD		  X					
Pioneer BDP-320		  X						
Pioneer BDP-51FD 	  X	X     X     X				
Pioneer BDP-LX70A	  X						
Pioneer BDP-LX71	  X						
Pioneer BDP-LX80	  X						
Pioneer BDP-LX91	  X						
Pioneer BDP-94HD	  X	      X
Pioneer BDP-95FD	  X					
PowerDVD 7.3.3319   	  X	X     X     !	   X	x     X    X	last build with full HDD playback, some BDJ unsupported
PowerDVD 7.3.5105   	  ! 	X     X	    X	   X	X     X	   X	need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
PowerDVD 8.0.2815	  !	X     X	    X	   X    X     X	   X	need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
PowerDVD 9.0.1531	  !	X     X	    X	   X	X     X	   X	need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
Samsung BD-P1000		      -					
Samsung BD-P1200 		      ! 				prior to firmware 2.3
Samsung BD-P1400	  X	      X					
Samsung BD-P1500	  X	!     !     !				no AUXDATA if firmware 2.3
Samsung BD-P1590	  X	-     -	    !				no AUXDATA if firmware before 1.03, mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P1600	  X	-     -	    !				no AUXDATA if firmware before 1.03, mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P2500 	  X	-     !     !	   X    X		no AUXDATA if firmware before 2.5
Samsung BD-P2550 	  X	      -	    -       			no AUXDATA if firmware before 2.5
Samsung BD-P3600	  X						mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P4600	  X						mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P4610	  X	  	 				
Samsung BD-UP5000		      -                     		
Sharp BD-HP20		  -	-     -	    -	   -	-     -	   -	won't play BDR either
Sharp BD-HP21		  -	-     -	    -	   -	-     -	   -	won't play BDR either
Sherwood BDP-5003	  X						region free
Sony BDP-BX1		  	X     X	    X				
Sony BDP-S1		  X						
Sony BDP-S300		  X	X     X	    X
Sony BDP-S301		  X	X     X	    X				
Sony BDP-S350		  X	X     X	    X	
Sony BDP-S360		  X	X     X	    X
Sony BDP-N460		  X	      X	    !				FULLBD only with HDMV menus, no weightp support			
Sony BDP-S500		  X	X     X	    X				
Sony BDP-S550		  X	X     X	    X	   X    -     -	   -
Sony BDP-S5000ES			    X				
Sony Playstation 3	  X	-     X	    !	   !	!     X	   X	only 1st gen EU PS3 plays FULLBD after goBD. cropped video positioned at top. 1280x <584 play in 480p, USB playback
WinDVD 9.14.091		  !     X     !     !	   X    X     X    X    HDD/ISO playback with NEWBD/FULLBD only (no IDEX), DVD/BD playback of AVCHD with AC3/PCM only, FULLBD resized video doesn't fill screen
LEGEND
AVCHD = AVCHD output in TSMuxer 1.9.6-1.9.9 (AVCHDcoder, BD-Rebuilder w/Strict AVCHD, popBD w/remove AUXDATA, RipBot264)
NEWBD = Bluray output in TSMuxer 1.8.35+ (multiAVCHD Blu-ray, sx264)
OLDBD = Bluray output in TSMuxer 1.8.4-1.8.34 and AVCHD output in 1.8.35-1.9.5 / 1.10.4+ (BD-Rebuilder movie only, popBD, RipBot264)
FULLBD = BD-Rebuilder Full Backup keeping menus/extras (BD-Rebuilder has issues with PIP on DVD)
C1080 = Add blank playlist for cropped video in TSMuxer 1.9.8+ with 1920x800 video (multiAVCHD compliant height)
C720 = Add blank playlist for cropped video in TSMuxer 1.9.8+ with 1280x528 video (multiAVCHD compliant height)
DTSHD = DTS-HD (MA) playback
THD = TrueHD playback
X = plays
- = doesn't play
! = check notes

SDHC playback = playback of AVCHD on SDHC cards using multiAVCHD's SDHC output
USB playback = playback of AVCHD from USB drives in 8.3 file format

avchd_strict = multiAVCHD AVCHD for DVD\BD w/stricter AVCHD folder format, this may fix the need for AUXDATA, tests needed
avchd_aux = multiAVCHD AVCHD for DVD\BD w/o stricter AVCHD folder format

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Old 14th April 2009, 04:39   #2  |  Link
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the sony bdp-S300 plays new bd, avchd, old bd, and full bd
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Old 14th April 2009, 05:13   #3  |  Link
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Panasonic DMP-BD60 plays AVCHD
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Old 14th April 2009, 05:57   #4  |  Link
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Thanks both
gizzin: Could you see if Sony BDP-S300 plays crop fixed?
davsim: Could you see if Panasonic DMP-BD60 plays new-bd, crop fixed, old-bd without auxdata folder and full-bd?

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Old 14th April 2009, 08:15   #5  |  Link
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@turbojet: Just a note about popBD. It used the old blu-ray in tsmuxer, now it's using the new avchd.
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Old 14th April 2009, 08:22   #6  |  Link
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@turbojet: Just a note about popBD. It used the old blu-ray in tsmuxer, now it's using the new avchd.
Ya I see that but outside of the mpls/clpi header change popBD default output is identical to OLD-BD.

AVCHD output removes the empty folders which seems to be the only effective difference to OLD-BD so far.

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Maybe you should add columns:

1- Whether the player states it supports AVCHD or not
2 - Whether the player states it supports DVD recordable media
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Panasonic DMP-BD35 does not play NEW-BD. I get "unsupported disc".
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New Bluray output to BD5 (DVD+R):

works on Sony BDP-S350

doesn't work on Samsung BD-P1500 -*** Works if you remove AUXDATA.

So Samsung has media detection first (DVD vs. Bluray) and then won't play content on DVD unless AUXDATA is not present.
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Re Pioneer 51. Both new and old BD work, with or without AUXDATA
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Panasonic DMP-BD60 firmware v1.5 using your color bar tests on DVD-R:

avchd: yes
avchd-crop: yes
old-bd: yes
new-bd: no ("This disc is incompatible.")
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Old 14th April 2009, 23:27   #12  |  Link
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Thanks, updated

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Maybe you should add columns:

1- Whether the player states it supports AVCHD or not
2 - Whether the player states it supports DVD recordable media
Sounds like a good idea but after doing some research there's quite a bit of misinformation the manufacturers websites so it may just complicate things that much more.

davsim: Regarding the crop does it appear just like the iso's that aren't cropped?

I've never personally tested the fixed crop hack but from what I can remember cropped video on the players I tested either didn't play at all, the video was at the top and was often cut off or it had a green bar.

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Pardon my confusion:
For the first time i tried to burn a bd-5 (dvd 5, whatever you want to call it) using imgburn. I wanted to play back on my ps3. I converted my file using tsmuxer 1.8.35 selecting blu-ray output (not AVCHD). I used UDF2.50 in imgburn. The ps3 says the disc is a data disc, not a BD.
File root should be
<drive>\BDMV
<drive>\CERTIFICATE

The m2ts file will play on the ps3.
The movie (if I create with AVCHD to USB drive and split @ 4G) will play on the ps3.
The movie seems to play and is recognized as a BD using powerdvd.
I tried to follow instructions from bitburners (of course the url won't load at all for me right now, so I can't check).

I have, in the recent past created many images which play fine as AVCHD off of a USB drive. So I am comfortable with that.
ps3 is firmware 2.60
So, anything I obviously missed? Do you have to convert to AVCHD to play on the ps3? I can't really tell from the above, but it looks like I should be able to play the disc if i use tsmuxer 1.8.34 (I used .35) and created a BD disk. Is that correct? Since the mt2s plays fine on the ps3, and I can create an AVCHD which plays ok from the same encode, I don't think it should be the x264 settings I used (which are within profile 4.1). The encode is 1280x720, but I don't think that should be a problem.
Any other suggestions? I'd rather not burn 10 coasters trying to get the correct settings.

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This is not a discussion thread.

Burn your DVD with AVCHD option in tsmuxer (not that it makes sense if you can use USB drive).
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davsim: Regarding the crop does it appear just like the iso's that aren't cropped?
I didn't notice an obvious difference, but I was testing with output set to letterbox 4:3 on an SDTV. I didn't see any major visual glitches.
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I changed the crop test samples to a video of a perfect circle to make it easier to tell if the aspect ratio is still correct.
Added 1280x528 cropped samples named with -720 because some players may display this resolution at 720x576/480 and/or 4:3 aspect ratio.
Added a mirror and compressed the zip from 8 MB to 1 MB.
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I changed the crop test samples to a video of a perfect circle to make it easier to tell if the aspect ratio is still correct.
Added 1280x528 cropped samples named with -720 because some players may display this resolution at 720x576/480 and/or 4:3 aspect ratio.
Panasonic DMP-BD60:

I tried your new avchd-crop-720 and it played, but there was no image. It was just a blank black screen, but the the time counter was moving forward and I could fast forward, pause and play.
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Interesting that 1920x800 played but the 1280x528 didn't. Maybe it's seeing 528 and trying to play as 720x576 but it's getting confused by the 1280 width.
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I don't believe there are issues with discs that contain PIP tracks turbojet.

I firmly believe the problem here is solely the fault of BD-Rebuilder. I also suspect that all other SAPs would exhibit exactly the same behaviour it's just that nobody has tried those "problematic discs" (for BD-Rebuilder).

edit; in reference to the Sony BDP-SXXX problems in the table

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PIP issues with some full BD
Sounds slightly misleading to me, but maybe that's just me

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I firmly believe the problem here is solely the fault of BD-Rebuilder. I also suspect that all other SAPs would exhibit exactly the same behaviour it's just that nobody has tried those "problematic discs" (for BD-Rebuilder).
What do you base that on? While it very well may be true (I have no clue either way) I'm just curious if there is evidence (ie working PIP produced by pro bluray authoring software written to the SAME media tested on the SAME stb) or is it a gut feeling (which I can then safely ignore)
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