List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

Furiousflea · 29th January 2009, 16:41

I have not included BD25 support in this post because it appears that the majority of players will play a BD-R fully with menus etc without any problems.
If you have a player that won't - Please post the details.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

This is a thread to help people with playback of BD-Rebuilder output.
There is dispute over whether BD-Rebuilder output is "true" BD-ROM structure

If you have personally verified a player to work, then please post the details being as specific as possible...

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Fully Disc

Denon BD-3800
Samsung BD-P1500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung BD-P2500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550*

Movie Only

Insignia N5-BRDVD\2BRDVD
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Magnavox NB500MG9
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic BD10\BD30\BD35\BD50\BD55 (If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu)
Philips BDP 7200
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BD-P1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BD-P2550
Samsung BD-P3600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDAYA directory)
Sony BDP-BX1
Sony PS3 (All versions)
Tvix HD-6500A (Needs firmware change\will play menus that aren't Java\do thread search for more info)

Not Compatible

Samsung BD-P1000
Sharp BD-HP20U
Sharp BD-HP21U

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*Rumours of titles from Universal Studios having issues on these players.
However GaPony who owns an BDP-S550 has reported no problems at all, and has done a good dozen of these allegedly problematic discs...
*Update : I'm thinking this is related to complex BD-J menus and that something is not being updated corectly during the Rebuilld phase of BD-Rebuilder but this is a guess at the moment.
*Update 2 : Seems to be more and more discs with PIP tracks are showing problems.
It would appear that Universal has the majority of its discs released with these tracks since they are often straight ports from the HD DVD version when it was a sole supporter of the format
(PIP playback was mandatory on all HD DVD players and not on Bluray which explains this).

more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

jwgallardo · 29th January 2009, 18:10

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

drmih · 29th January 2009, 20:01

Do we need some clarification as clearly the PS3 doesn't support bd-9 except in Data mode or if the disc is AVCHD (which isn't bd-9).

However, I can confirm that the Sony BDP-S550 is also compatible.

mochevolete · 29th January 2009, 20:26

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others

turbojet · 30th January 2009, 08:05

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

Furiousflea · 1st February 2009, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwgallardo

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

Furiousflea · 1st February 2009, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbojet

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

Thank you for your post.

I have read mixed reports on those players, with only jdobbs being 100% certain his player supports everything.

With this thread I'm hoping for people who have successfully played full backups will post and hopefully we can find another decent player.

Will update the OP

Cheers, Rob

Furiousflea · 1st February 2009, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by mochevolete

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others

Absolutely

will do

drmih · 2nd February 2009, 00:37

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

Furiousflea · 2nd February 2009, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmih

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

Sorry missed that bit, updated now

jwgallardo · 2nd February 2009, 04:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furiousflea

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

I'll check with PS3 when my sister come back from a trip where she bring the PS3.

Regarding Denon BD-3800, I confirm working perfect with BD9 and BD5 in Full Movie mode. I'm pretty sure also works for Movie Only as it worked with BD-RB v0.17.13. Unfortunately it is not working with v0.18.X as now. I reported back to Jdobbs.

GaPony · 2nd February 2009, 04:58

You don't need to check your sister's PS3... It doesn't support BD5 or BD9 copies. It will play an AVCHD disc, or it will even play a standalone .m2ts file... so you can copy just the main .m2ts files from your BD5 and BD9 copies onto a disc by themselves, or even put multiple ones onto larger discs if you want, but you can't play the BD5 & BD9 discs themselves.

Furiousflea · 2nd February 2009, 12:02

Thank you all

turbojet · 2nd February 2009, 14:29

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30
Panasonic BD35 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Panasonic BD50
Panasonic BD55 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

GZZ · 2nd February 2009, 14:56

What is the diffrence between AVCHD BD9 and Bluray BD9 ?

As far as I can see the java part is the only difference. The BD9 I have done looks pretty simular to a Bluray except for the missing menu and java. Its got multiple audio/subs.

KarstenS · 2nd February 2009, 15:22

Fully Compatible: Sony BDP-S350

turbojet · 2nd February 2009, 16:28

Oh ya Sony BDP-S500 should be in fully compatible too.

GZZ: From what I see they are commonly referred to as being the same. The few different AVCHD camera streams I've seen has had this stucture which is all I refer to as AVCHD. Everything outputted by tsmuxer, tsremux, BD-RB is BD to me because its identical to BD's structure for the most part. Outside of the commercial software that produce identical output from BD and AVCHD (depending on software) you have AVCHDme which changes the structure from what I refer to as BD to AVCHD and AVCHD-Patcher which changes a retail index.bdmv to what tsmuxer outputs. People's opinions on what is AVCHD and what is BD will differ a lot. What's discussed in this thread can surpass AVCHD specs.

archaeo · 2nd February 2009, 17:55

Looks like there may be a lot of conflicting 'opinions' on what works and what doesn't...

Furiousflea · 3rd February 2009, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbojet

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD35 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD50 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD55 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info

drmih · 3rd February 2009, 21:37

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.

29th January 2009, 16:41	#1 \| Link
Furiousflea Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 664	List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output) I have not included BD25 support in this post because it appears that the majority of players will play a BD-R fully with menus etc without any problems. If you have a player that won't - Please post the details. The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9. This is a thread to help people with playback of BD-Rebuilder output. There is dispute over whether BD-Rebuilder output is "true" BD-ROM structure If you have personally verified a player to work, then please post the details being as specific as possible... ------------------------------------------ Fully Disc Denon BD-3800 Samsung BD-P1500 (delete AUXDATA folder) Samsung BD-P2500 (delete AUXDATA folder) Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550* Movie Only Insignia N5-BRDVD\2BRDVD LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602) LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories) LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories) Magnavox NB500MG9 Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware) Memorex MVBD-2511 Panasonic BD10\BD30\BD35\BD50\BD55 (If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu) Philips BDP 7200 Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory) Pioneer BDP-94HD Samsung BD-P1200 (prior to firmware 2.3) Samsung BD-P1400 Samsung BD-P1600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory) Samsung BD-P2550 Samsung BD-P3600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDAYA directory) Sony BDP-BX1 Sony PS3 (All versions) Tvix HD-6500A (Needs firmware change\will play menus that aren't Java\do thread search for more info) Not Compatible Samsung BD-P1000 Sharp BD-HP20U Sharp BD-HP21U ------------------------------------------ Rumours of titles from Universal Studios having issues on these players. However GaPony who owns an BDP-S550 has reported no problems at all, and has done a good dozen of these allegedly problematic discs... Update : I'm thinking this is related to complex BD-J menus and that something is not being updated corectly during the Rebuilld phase of BD-Rebuilder but this is a guess at the moment. Update 2 : Seems to be more and more discs with PIP tracks are showing problems. It would appear that Universal has the majority of its discs released with these tracks since they are often straight ports from the HD DVD version when it was a sole supporter of the format (PIP playback was mandatory on all HD DVD players and not on Bluray which explains this). more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated Last edited by jdobbs; 13th June 2009 at 15:15.*

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jwgallardo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 30	Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5) PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5) I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines. Last edited by jwgallardo; 29th January 2009 at 18:16.

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turbojet Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,140	Is this full backups or movie only? If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid. If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there. Last edited by turbojet; 30th January 2009 at 08:13.

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GaPony Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 472	You don't need to check your sister's PS3... It doesn't support BD5 or BD9 copies. It will play an AVCHD disc, or it will even play a standalone .m2ts file... so you can copy just the main .m2ts files from your BD5 and BD9 copies onto a disc by themselves, or even put multiple ones onto larger discs if you want, but you can't play the BD5 & BD9 discs themselves. Last edited by GaPony; 2nd February 2009 at 05:02.

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turbojet Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,140	I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section? Also you can add to movie only: Samsung 1400 Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder) Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder) Panasonic BD30 Panasonic BD35 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu) Panasonic BD50 Panasonic BD55 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu) Magnavox NB500MG9 LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602) Sony BDP-BX1 Insignia N5-BRDVD Insignia N5-2BRDVD and to not compatible: Sharp BD-HP20 Last edited by turbojet; 19th March 2009 at 16:34.

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 409	Do we need some clarification as clearly the PS3 doesn't support bd-9 except in Data mode or if the disc is AVCHD (which isn't bd-9). However, I can confirm that the Sony BDP-S550 is also compatible.

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mochevolete Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 92	@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 409	As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

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Furiousflea Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 664	Thank you all

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GZZ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 358	What is the diffrence between AVCHD BD9 and Bluray BD9 ? As far as I can see the java part is the only difference. The BD9 I have done looks pretty simular to a Bluray except for the missing menu and java. Its got multiple audio/subs.

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KarstenS Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 15	Fully Compatible: Sony BDP-S350

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turbojet Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,140	Oh ya Sony BDP-S500 should be in fully compatible too. GZZ: From what I see they are commonly referred to as being the same. The few different AVCHD camera streams I've seen has had this stucture which is all I refer to as AVCHD. Everything outputted by tsmuxer, tsremux, BD-RB is BD to me because its identical to BD's structure for the most part. Outside of the commercial software that produce identical output from BD and AVCHD (depending on software) you have AVCHDme which changes the structure from what I refer to as BD to AVCHD and AVCHD-Patcher which changes a retail index.bdmv to what tsmuxer outputs. People's opinions on what is AVCHD and what is BD will differ a lot. What's discussed in this thread can surpass AVCHD specs. Last edited by turbojet; 2nd February 2009 at 16:40.

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archaeo scribe Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: canyons Posts: 477	Looks like there may be a lot of conflicting 'opinions' on what works and what doesn't...

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 409	I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.

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