EVOB De/Multiplexers

Warren · 13th January 2007, 10:22

evdberg we need a demuxer for evobs, do you know anything about the format?

evdberg · 13th January 2007, 10:29

I normally do not point out to progs of the competition, but you might want to look here: http://www.dvd-logic.com/hddemuxer.htm

Personally I find it highly overpriced, but it might sell as long as there is nothing else. But maybe you can also simply demux using the good old VobEdit, I did not try this yet (I just have my Xbox360 drive!)

But yes, I do know a lot of the HD-DVD format, simply because it looks a lot like the DVD format. I always considered this a major advantage over BluRay. There are a lot of people out here that know the DVD format, and it will not take much time for them to master the HD-DVD format. At least not the basic format (as used for instance by Video Studio 10), the advanced format as used on commercial titles may be more work.

Warren · 13th January 2007, 10:39

dvd-logic's demuxer doesn't seem to actually be for hd dvd's. It wants to open an IFO file which doesn't exist on HD DVD's

evdberg · 13th January 2007, 11:24

Quote:

dvd-logic's demuxer doesn't seem to actually be for hd dvd's.

It most likely only works with home made HD-DVDs, so disks of the 'basic' type. But why do you want to demux the stream?

theturtle · 13th January 2007, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by evdberg

It most likely only works with home made HD-DVDs, so disks of the 'basic' type. But why do you want to demux the stream?

to convert to x264 or w/e I imagine

evdberg · 13th January 2007, 12:29

Quote:

to convert to x264 or w/e I imagine

Is there already a VC-1 decoder then?

Warren · 13th January 2007, 13:50

so bbdmux seems to be able to demux the evo's into elementary streams of vc-1 and dolby digital plus. I have yet to find anything that will play a VC-1 elementary stream or a DDPlus elementary stream.

Any ideas?

moshmothma · 13th January 2007, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren

so bbdmux seems to be able to demux the evo's into elementary streams of vc-1 and dolby digital plus. I have yet to find anything that will play a VC-1 elementary stream or a DDPlus elementary stream.

Any ideas?

I would imagine you could mux them into a wmv and then play. Although, I can get bbdmux to identify the streams it won't parse any out for me.

pack header field flag value not allowed in program streams

Have you actually been able to demux the streams?

Easy123 · 13th January 2007, 19:42

If you have Scenarist 4 installed you´ll be able to play at least the vc-1 stream and with the help of graphedit you can render the .evo with direct show filters..

13th January 2007, 19:43

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Warren · 13th January 2007, 21:56

You can't use the PowerDVD or WinDVD filters in graphedit

At least they wouldn't work for me.

Isochroma · 13th January 2007, 22:01

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This thread has been split from the BackupHDDVD thread, in order to keep that one on topic, and to provide a thread dedicated to the research, development, and testing of EVOB multiplexers and demultiplexers.

Background

▪ BackupHDDVD, a tool to decrypt AACS protected movies

Current Status

EVOB demultiplexers available:

Sonic Scenarist 4.1 (DirectShow filters)

License: Commerical Software
Capabilities: EVOB demux, audio problems
HD DVD Demuxer

License: Commercial software, $99.95 USD to buy
Capabilities: M2V, M1V, AC3, WAV, DTS, MPA, MLP, M4V
bbDMUX
License: free
Capabilities: MPEG 1,2 PS/TS demux (commandline only)
Verification:

▪ (extenal forum) Post 1
"buddies, the evo file is actually mpeg2 program stream.
bbdmux can demux it into vc1 ES and ddplus ES

bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xfd test.vc1
bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xbd test.ddp

bbdmux is a cmd line tool in bbtools with bbmpeg

anybody have vc1 and ddplus spec ?"

Success Stories

▪ (extenal forum) Posts (in chronological order)

McOnyx: YESSSS I DID IT!!! I've gotten this to play in MPC (Media Player Classic). The video plays perfectly the only thing is the Dolby DD Plus, that doesn't play. Have tried with the Cyberlink Audio Decoder Filter, but no success, maybe a WinDVD Audio can play the Dolby Plus stream! Maybe someone else will have more luck! I used the DShow filters from Sonic Scenarist 4.1, which come bundled with the prog. The right filters are: Sonic HD Demuxer and Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.1! From here i don't think it should be problem to use it in AVISynth, with DirectShowSource, but haven't tried it!

ArieW: Sonic HD-DVD DShow Filter dll's work pretty good. insane resolution/quality. this is a good step forward. thanks for the effort

svizzle: reencoding the mainintro.evo right now with graphedit

orbitlee: About the Sonic HDDemuxer, since nobody get audio, is it possible that this demux does not support DD+ ? Anybody have success on other demuxer?

hdtau: 1. yeah, sonic decoders work with mpc, at least video, but no audio, with sonic audio it freezes, with power dvd audio it plays, but still no sound..

McOnyx: Well i tried few more times but can't get the audio working through MPC with Sonic Decoders. I wonder does anyone know if these decoders even support Dolby Digital Plus? And is there any Dolby Plus decoder, other than PowerDVD and WinDVD. It would be awesome if someone would work on DD+ in FFDShow, maybe now when HD-DVD is cracked, someone will...

moshmothma · 13th January 2007, 23:16

bbDMUX definitely did not work for me. Sonic looks great. However, the audio stream is only understood as 2 channel 35000khz.

tonyp12 · 14th January 2007, 00:56

On emule this 112mb EVO file shows how good a mpeg4 AVC
at 6Mbps encode can look like.

A 100 minute movie would fit on a 4.7GB DVD

ed2k://|file|Departed%20Trailer.EVO|118069248|454C310BC7DB35BF8C69E3AB7300507A|h=IJR3G253NYOBRDD2ALTGIXLTAWYLGCIW|/

This also a good file to play around with if you do not have a HDDVD drive to get access to EVO files.

blutach · 14th January 2007, 02:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by He-Man

I think you should start a new topic about demuxing etc. and keep it separate from this discussion about decryption.

Done

Regards

14th January 2007, 02:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by blutach

Done

Regards

Maybe you should merge this topic with the new topic already created by Isochroma (see his post with link above your post).
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...891#post933891

bond · 14th January 2007, 03:24

as .evo is .mpg what about all the freeware .mpg muxers/demuxer out there?

like ffmpeg or mplayer?

Warren · 14th January 2007, 03:35

They try to demux it but don't do it properly since they don't fully understand EVOBs since EVOB is an extended/enhanced VOB

Easy123 · 14th January 2007, 08:39

BBDemux did work for me. I have two seperate streams, but the problem is handling vc-1 in order to reencode it and the dd plus stream, no app recognizes it properly.

Warren · 14th January 2007, 08:59

BBDemux will leave all of the IME stuff in the video stream when you demux it - or at least that's what it seemed to me. It was corrupted none the less, but only for EVOBs with IME in it.

13th January 2007, 10:22	#1 \| Link
Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	EVOB De/Multiplexers evdberg we need a demuxer for evobs, do you know anything about the format?

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evdberg Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 202	I normally do not point out to progs of the competition, but you might want to look here: http://www.dvd-logic.com/hddemuxer.htm Personally I find it highly overpriced, but it might sell as long as there is nothing else. But maybe you can also simply demux using the good old VobEdit, I did not try this yet (I just have my Xbox360 drive!) But yes, I do know a lot of the HD-DVD format, simply because it looks a lot like the DVD format. I always considered this a major advantage over BluRay. There are a lot of people out here that know the DVD format, and it will not take much time for them to master the HD-DVD format. At least not the basic format (as used for instance by Video Studio 10), the advanced format as used on commercial titles may be more work. Last edited by evdberg; 13th January 2007 at 10:31.

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Isochroma Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 468	EVOB De/Multiplexers Click image for full size This thread has been split from the BackupHDDVD thread, in order to keep that one on topic, and to provide a thread dedicated to the research, development, and testing of EVOB multiplexers and demultiplexers. Background ▪ BackupHDDVD, a tool to decrypt AACS protected movies Current Status EVOB demultiplexers available: Sonic Scenarist 4.1 (DirectShow filters) License: Commerical Software Capabilities: EVOB demux, audio problems HD DVD Demuxer License: Commercial software, $99.95 USD to buy Capabilities: M2V, M1V, AC3, WAV, DTS, MPA, MLP, M4V bbDMUX License: free Capabilities: MPEG 1,2 PS/TS demux (commandline only) Verification: ▪ (extenal forum) Post 1 "buddies, the evo file is actually mpeg2 program stream. bbdmux can demux it into vc1 ES and ddplus ES bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xfd test.vc1 bbdmux mainintro.evo 0xbd test.ddp bbdmux is a cmd line tool in bbtools with bbmpeg anybody have vc1 and ddplus spec ?" Success Stories ▪ (extenal forum) Posts (in chronological order) McOnyx: YESSSS I DID IT!!! I've gotten this to play in MPC (Media Player Classic). The video plays perfectly the only thing is the Dolby DD Plus, that doesn't play. Have tried with the Cyberlink Audio Decoder Filter, but no success, maybe a WinDVD Audio can play the Dolby Plus stream! Maybe someone else will have more luck! I used the DShow filters from Sonic Scenarist 4.1, which come bundled with the prog. The right filters are: Sonic HD Demuxer and Sonic Cinemaster Video Decoder 4.1! From here i don't think it should be problem to use it in AVISynth, with DirectShowSource, but haven't tried it! ArieW: Sonic HD-DVD DShow Filter dll's work pretty good. insane resolution/quality. this is a good step forward. thanks for the effort svizzle: reencoding the mainintro.evo right now with graphedit orbitlee: About the Sonic HDDemuxer, since nobody get audio, is it possible that this demux does not support DD+ ? Anybody have success on other demuxer? hdtau: 1. yeah, sonic decoders work with mpc, at least video, but no audio, with sonic audio it freezes, with power dvd audio it plays, but still no sound.. McOnyx: Well i tried few more times but can't get the audio working through MPC with Sonic Decoders. I wonder does anyone know if these decoders even support Dolby Digital Plus? And is there any Dolby Plus decoder, other than PowerDVD and WinDVD. It would be awesome if someone would work on DD+ in FFDShow, maybe now when HD-DVD is cracked, someone will... Last edited by Isochroma; 14th January 2007 at 20:44.

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tonyp12 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 90	On emule this 112mb EVO file shows how good a mpeg4 AVC at 6Mbps encode can look like. A 100 minute movie would fit on a 4.7GB DVD ed2k://\|file\|Departed%20Trailer.EVO\|118069248\|454C310BC7DB35BF8C69E3AB7300507A\|h=IJR3G253NYOBRDD2ALTGIXLTAWYLGCIW\|/ This also a good file to play around with if you do not have a HDDVD drive to get access to EVO files. Last edited by tonyp12; 14th January 2007 at 02:06.

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Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	dvd-logic's demuxer doesn't seem to actually be for hd dvd's. It wants to open an IFO file which doesn't exist on HD DVD's

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Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	so bbdmux seems to be able to demux the evo's into elementary streams of vc-1 and dolby digital plus. I have yet to find anything that will play a VC-1 elementary stream or a DDPlus elementary stream. Any ideas?

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Easy123 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 69	If you have Scenarist 4 installed you´ll be able to play at least the vc-1 stream and with the help of graphedit you can render the .evo with direct show filters..

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Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	You can't use the PowerDVD or WinDVD filters in graphedit At least they wouldn't work for me.

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moshmothma Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 85	bbDMUX definitely did not work for me. Sonic looks great. However, the audio stream is only understood as 2 channel 35000khz.

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bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	as .evo is .mpg what about all the freeware .mpg muxers/demuxer out there? like ffmpeg or mplayer? __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

14th January 2007, 03:35	#18 \| Link
Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	They try to demux it but don't do it properly since they don't fully understand EVOBs since EVOB is an extended/enhanced VOB

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Easy123 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 69	BBDemux did work for me. I have two seperate streams, but the problem is handling vc-1 in order to reencode it and the dd plus stream, no app recognizes it properly.

14th January 2007, 08:59	#20 \| Link
Warren Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 68	BBDemux will leave all of the IME stuff in the video stream when you demux it - or at least that's what it seemed to me. It was corrupted none the less, but only for EVOBs with IME in it.

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