AVC playback on PS3

[pspvideo9]

Dixxhead,
We're curious to know how you have routed your multichannel audio from the PS3 to your speakers.

PS3 -> Optical -> A/V Reciever -> Speakers?
PS3 -> HDMI -> A/V Reciever -> Speakers?

Hopefully you are using optical which still gives a remote chance of 5.1 AAC working. Unless the PS3 has built in AAC->AC3 encoder, 5.1 won't work over Optical since it only has enough bandwidth for uncompressed PCM 2.0.

HDMI on the otherhand is capable of carrying uncompressed PCM 5.1 and works at least for Blu-Ray discs. This of course requires a A/V reciever than can interpret the HDMI signal rather than just being a simple HDMI pass-though switch.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by pspvideo9

Dixxhead,
We're curious to know how you have routed your multichannel audio from the PS3 to your speakers.

PS3 -> Optical -> A/V Reciever -> Speakers?
PS3 -> HDMI -> A/V Reciever -> Speakers?

Hopefully you are using optical which still gives a remote chance of 5.1 AAC working. Unless the PS3 has built in AAC->AC3 encoder, 5.1 won't work over Optical since it only has enough bandwidth for uncompressed PCM 2.0.

HDMI on the otherhand is capable of carrying uncompressed PCM 5.1 and works at least for Blu-Ray discs. This of course requires a A/V reciever than can interpret the HDMI signal rather than just being a simple HDMI pass-though switch.

Hello,
sorry, but I think there is a misunderstanding. As I've written:

Regarding 5.1; the PS 3 does play it, but only as a downsampled stereo file...

The PS 3 downsamples the 5.1 aac-lc track to Stereo and Outputs it that way to my Receiver; so the only way to somehow get 5.1 is through Dolby Pro Logic II which really isn't all that great...

So far I have only tried through OpticalOut (because I don't own a HDMI-Receiver, yet ) and tried switching through all of the possible output-formats the PS 3 has and also activate them all at once;however, with no change in the result.

I guess all we can do is hope Sony brings out a Firmware Update that supports 5.1 output through AAC to AC 3 or something like that.

[winnydows]

@Dixxhead
Your link to MeGUI profile dead. Can you please post your CLI lines from MeGUI worked for your PS3, please.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by winnydows

@Dixxhead
Your link to MeGUI profile dead. Can you please post your CLI lines from MeGUI worked for your PS3, please.

"High Quality"-Profile:
--pass 2 --bitrate 1000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --no-b-adapt --b-pyramid --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --subme 6 --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

"Medium Quality"-Profile:
--pass 2 --bitrate 720 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --no-b-adapt --b-pyramid --bime --weightb --direct auto --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

"Low Quality"-Profile:
--pass 2 --bitrate 700 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --no-b-adapt --b-pyramid --bime --weightb --direct auto --trellis 1 --analyse none --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

Hope that helps.

PS.: Keep up the good work with Xvid4PSP!

[winnydows]

@Dixxhead

Mega 10x.
Can you please test it in XviD4PSP ? I don`t have PS3 and can`t test it.

I start from --no-b-adapt. Or you think --b-pyramid important for compatibility too ?

[akupenguin]

wtf kind of decoder doesn't support b-adapt? and it would be even more surprising to see something support pyramid but not b-adapt, since pyramid is much more complicated and unconventional.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by akupenguin

wtf kind of decoder doesn't support b-adapt? and it would be even more surprising to see something support pyramid but not b-adapt, since pyramid is much more complicated and unconventional.

It wonders me too; I suppose it is nothing else than a Software bug introduced with Firmware 1.5; many people had similiar lockups I experienced (Video freezes, sound still plays; by fast-forwarding the Video starts playing again) with Blu-Ray or even DVDs on the PS 3 after upgrading the Console to 1.5. Afaik the Cell handles the decoding for the PS 3 so there is no real Hardware-decoding going on...

@Winnydows:

I've tried all of my lines and also your presets now in Xvid4PSP, however, I can't seem to get it to work; all I get is a "This data is corrupt" on the PS 3, even if I use the x264.exe I use for MeGui.
In the Temp-folder I also see that the Video gets saved as a 264 raw-file so that can't be the cause either.

Maybe the MP4-Muxer is not muxing it the way the one in MeGui does? I'll try to look into it further...

[winnydows]

@Dixxhead
Let`s finish MP4 PS3 profile creation .

MP4_PS3_GUI

In this pack:
latest x264 - encoder
NicMP4Box - default muxer
mp4creator - alternative muxer
MP4_PS3.bat - bat file with your encoding arguments.
MP4_PS3.exe - simple gui for creating avs.

You can use your own video.avs or auto created from input file. Try experement with this tools for creation working file. And don`t forget post results.
If nothing help try alternative muxer or muxer from MeGUI and x264 from MeGUI also .
Target file will be without sound for clean experement.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by winnydows

@Dixxhead
Let`s finish MP4 PS3 profile creation .

MP4_PS3_GUI

In this pack:
latest x264 - encoder
NicMP4Box - default muxer
mp4creator - alternative muxer
MP4_PS3.bat - bat file with your encoding arguments.
MP4_PS3.exe - simple gui for creating avs.

You can use your own video.avs or auto created from input file. Try experement with this tools for creation working file. And don`t forget post results.
If nothing help try alternative muxer or muxer from MeGUI and x264 from MeGUI also .
Target file will be without sound for clean experement.

Hello, sorry for the late response...
Anyways, I have been trying now and got following results:
Using the Package "as is" did give me the known error "This data is corrupted". The cause is the NicMP4Box; as I couldn't figure out how to configure the alternative muxer I used the meGui mp4Box to mux the .264 from your package to an mp4
However, then all I got on the PS 3 was a black screen (but it seemed to play, after that, I tryed muxing it with sound and I heard the sound...)
Now I replaced the x264.exe from your package with the one from meGui, still no go with the NicMP4Box so I used the MP4Box from MeGui again.
And then, it worked perfectly (even though there was a slight delay in audio, which might have been caused because I didn't input the right fps into the muxer).

As a side note: I made use of the occasion to create a video with adaptive b-frames and unexpectedly it did not hang-up anymore on firmware 1.54 (newest PS 3 Firmware). It seems that Sony fixed that; so here are my new Profiles:


Fast:
--pass 2 --bitrate 700 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --bime --direct auto --trellis 1 --analyse none --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

Normal:
--pass 2 --bitrate 720 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --b-pyramid --bime --weightb --direct auto --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

High Quality:
--pass 2 --bitrate 1000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 3 --b-pyramid --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --subme 6 --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "" ""

Hope I could help

[winnydows]

@Dixxhead
10x for tests and info.
So result - wrong MP4Box + wrong x264.

Try this package.
mp4 create with two muxers now - mp4creator and MP4Box. And x264 replaced to from MeGUI. Also CLI updated.
Post results please.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by winnydows

@Dixxhead
10x for tests and info.
So result - wrong MP4Box + wrong x264.

Try this package.
mp4 create with two muxers now - mp4creator and MP4Box. And x264 replaced to from MeGUI. Also CLI updated.
Post results please.

Hi,
I have now tryed your new package; the mp4Box-file works by letting everything to the CLI; however with wrong framerate (well, all that would be necessary is to specify a framerate then ), but the mp4creator one doesn't work at all (you have to specify the framerate there...);
However, by creating a mp4 with mp4creator over the DOS cmd-line <mp4creator -create="video.264" -rate=30.330 "x264-PS3-mp4creator.mp4"> I managed to get a working Video aswell, so in the end it all works the way it should

That's all I have to report up until now

[winnydows]

Try XviD4PSP 4.107 RC4 full

Probably MP4 PS3 will work now. If don`t try replace x264 and x264_mt to version from megui.

[Dixxhead]

Originally Posted by winnydows

Try XviD4PSP 4.107 RC4 full

Probably MP4 PS3 will work now. If don`t try replace x264 and x264_mt to version from megui.

Yay! It works perfectly on PS 3! Great job Winnydows!

As I am currently converting a vid for PSP anyways I'll also let you know if it also still works for that (has it become faster yet again? Now it is encoding @ 30fps where before it only encoded @ 23fps..!)

Again, good job!

Edit: Tested it for the PSP, works as good as always (better/faster actually).

[zeroprobe]

so ps3 cannot playback an mp4 file with 5.1. We will just get stereo????

I hope sony will fix this.

[aolmos]

With firmware 1.6, the PS3 now plays back .m2ts files from the Sony HDR-SR1. Not in surround, though, just stereo.

[b_squared]

... it supports High profile inside the .m2ts files!

Unfortunately, I can't seem to find something that will mux AVC into a TS right now. Theoretically, we should be able to get .mkv HD encodes, mux them into a .m2ts file and have the PS3 play it.

[ps3hacker]

To play mack .m2ts, avc files from bluray just rename to mp4 and it will play. This will work for mpeg2 .m2ts files also, but not vc-1.

[Has123]

Hello,

Just wanted to share this. I finished encoding a H264 TS interlaced file recorded from Starz HD with R5000 modded satellite receiver to Nero Digital HDTV AVC using Nero Recode latest version and to my surprise it worked flawlessly on the PS3.

[Bigmango]

This is great news.

Is it possible to play back an avc video with ac3 or dts audio ?

If the ps3 can't decode it with the video this is not a problem for me; I just need it to pass through as my home theater receiver will do the ac3/dts decoding.

So the bottom line of my question is:

Can I put an avc video with ac3/dts in a container (mp4 ?) and play this on my ps3 with 5.1 ac3/dts sound on my home theater ?

If the ps3 can't do it, do you know of any other Blue ray/HD player that can do this ?

Thanks.

[plonk420]

1.60 fixed borked (homebrew) AVC playback (freezing). also fixes the BRD-Movie playback i mainly just experienced in The Fifth Element and others in random seeming movies like The Departed (which i didn't). i heard it had to do with connecting to the online service...

also, not sure if it's been around since inception, but just discovered that you can play 60fps MPEG-2 thru the crossbar as well

and lastly some irony: WMA playback was added in 1.6 as well X)