Flickering/jerky video on CCE encoded PAL DVD

msvideo · 16th December 2001, 04:24

Just burned first PAL DVD with video encoded by CCE 2.5. Did a 2 pass VBR and quality of video stream is excellent. However, whenever there is fast movement in the picture, it does not play back as smooth as original. This is with field order set at its best, when
I set to the opposite setting it is far worse and definately the wrong setting.

Anyone who is creating PAL DVD's successfully with CCE please contact me and we can compare test results and settings.

For info system is:- RT2000, Premiere 6.0, AVIsythn, CCE 2.5SP.

Thank you in advance

waldok · 17th December 2001, 11:36

Hi,

I hade this problem only once with the movie "Ring" (PAL Zone 2).
Other PAL DVDs worked perfectly (ripped 15 PAL without any problem). I don't really know what to say about it, except that I had to perform deinterlacing on this "Ring" DVD to make it work.

I asked everywhere about it, but I still didn't find the answer.
Did you try with some other PAL DVD ? What is the one that causes you problems ?

Waldok.

msvideo · 17th December 2001, 21:10

Thanks for your contribution Waldok. My source footage is PAL DV (a wedding video). I have not tried any DVD rippping.

Premiere reports DV footage as "no fields", I hear that all DV is lower field first. I would just like confirmation which settings in Premiere and CCE to use.

waldok · 18th December 2001, 10:52

OK. I'm sorry, I don't have any experience yet with DV. I plan to make SVCDs out of my DV tapes too, but :

1. I don't have much time
2. I'm too lazy

Sorry, I can't really help you on this one.

GOod luck

Waldok

waldok · 20th December 2001, 12:34

I thought about something.
Maybe you could give "Ulead DVD Movie Factory" a try. I used it with 8mm tapes and it produced great quality SVCDS. I know it can handle DV capture too, and the encoder it is based on is Ligos LSX 3.5, which really surprised me with its resulting quality.

You can get a demo of Ulead DVD movie factory on ULead site. With it you can create menus and chapters quite easily too.

I'm in no way related to Ulead, and I usually use the wonderful DVD2SVCD program or the CCE encoder, but I must admit this Ulead piece is quite good and straightforward.

LEt me know if it helps

Waldok

orGAZmic · 20th December 2001, 13:09

I think I've just about optimized my settings for PAL DV to SVCD. PAL DV? Try this and let me know what u think.

Capture and edit in Premiere 6.01.
Ensure lower fields first is selected
Resize project on export to 480x576
Adjust audio and other settings as required but do not deinterlace.
Frameserve to cce and edit profile these are the must settings[list=1][*]multi pass vbr avg 2400, max 2520 min 300 (i use 3 pass)[*]uncheck upper field first and progressive frames[*]image quality set to 17 and noise reduction to 2 (thanks DVD2SVCD!!)[/list=1]

I used CCE 2.62 with low bit rate matrix.

Other things to try for improvement but will not eliminate 'jerkyness' are differnet resize methods via avisynth and seeing what premiere may make of its better resize option.

How it helps

msvideo · 24th December 2001, 05:51

I tried lowering the noise filter and switching it off completely and found this to be exactly what is causing the flickering. I find that anything above 4, movement starts to shake and vibrate noticeably.

It's difficult to see whether a setting of 2 or 3 is actually doing anything. In future I think I will stick with a setting of 2 or switch off completely. When sitting at normal distance from the screen the noise is practically invisible on my tests. Whereas the flicker is noticeable at quite a distance from the screen.

Interestingly I did a test with the noise filter set at the max. 32 and this looked really smooth. Like the CCE manual points out, it looks a bit like progressive film at the expense of being slightly softer and less detail. I think this would work really well if you are encoding a slow motion sequence or you want to mimic a film look. It's just the midway noise filter settings that don't do the biz. for me in my set-up.

Thanks orGAZmic, will take note of your SVCD settings if I ever need to do SVCD's, I only have need to do DVD's.

Regards
Mark

16th December 2001, 04:24	#1 \| Link
msvideo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10	Flickering/jerky video on CCE encoded PAL DVD Just burned first PAL DVD with video encoded by CCE 2.5. Did a 2 pass VBR and quality of video stream is excellent. However, whenever there is fast movement in the picture, it does not play back as smooth as original. This is with field order set at its best, when I set to the opposite setting it is far worse and definately the wrong setting. Anyone who is creating PAL DVD's successfully with CCE please contact me and we can compare test results and settings. For info system is:- RT2000, Premiere 6.0, AVIsythn, CCE 2.5SP. Thank you in advance

20th December 2001, 13:09	#6 \| Link
orGAZmic Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Home of the Vikings!! Posts: 13	TRY THIS I think I've just about optimized my settings for PAL DV to SVCD. PAL DV? Try this and let me know what u think. Capture and edit in Premiere 6.01. Ensure lower fields first is selected Resize project on export to 480x576 Adjust audio and other settings as required but do not deinterlace. Frameserve to cce and edit profile these are the must settings[list=1][]multi pass vbr avg 2400, max 2520 min 300 (i use 3 pass)[]uncheck upper field first and progressive frames[*]image quality set to 17 and noise reduction to 2 (thanks DVD2SVCD!!)[/list=1] I used CCE 2.62 with low bit rate matrix. Other things to try for improvement but will not eliminate 'jerkyness' are differnet resize methods via avisynth and seeing what premiere may make of its better resize option. How it helps __________________ Cheers, orGAZmic

17th December 2001, 11:36	#2 \| Link
waldok French fries forever Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 607	Hi, I hade this problem only once with the movie "Ring" (PAL Zone 2). Other PAL DVDs worked perfectly (ripped 15 PAL without any problem). I don't really know what to say about it, except that I had to perform deinterlacing on this "Ring" DVD to make it work. I asked everywhere about it, but I still didn't find the answer. Did you try with some other PAL DVD ? What is the one that causes you problems ? Waldok.

17th December 2001, 21:10	#3 \| Link
msvideo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10	Thanks for your contribution Waldok. My source footage is PAL DV (a wedding video). I have not tried any DVD rippping. Premiere reports DV footage as "no fields", I hear that all DV is lower field first. I would just like confirmation which settings in Premiere and CCE to use.

18th December 2001, 10:52	#4 \| Link
waldok French fries forever Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 607	OK. I'm sorry, I don't have any experience yet with DV. I plan to make SVCDs out of my DV tapes too, but : 1. I don't have much time 2. I'm too lazy Sorry, I can't really help you on this one. GOod luck Waldok

20th December 2001, 12:34	#5 \| Link
waldok French fries forever Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 607	I thought about something. Maybe you could give "Ulead DVD Movie Factory" a try. I used it with 8mm tapes and it produced great quality SVCDS. I know it can handle DV capture too, and the encoder it is based on is Ligos LSX 3.5, which really surprised me with its resulting quality. You can get a demo of Ulead DVD movie factory on ULead site. With it you can create menus and chapters quite easily too. I'm in no way related to Ulead, and I usually use the wonderful DVD2SVCD program or the CCE encoder, but I must admit this Ulead piece is quite good and straightforward. LEt me know if it helps Waldok

24th December 2001, 05:51	#7 \| Link
msvideo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10	I tried lowering the noise filter and switching it off completely and found this to be exactly what is causing the flickering. I find that anything above 4, movement starts to shake and vibrate noticeably. It's difficult to see whether a setting of 2 or 3 is actually doing anything. In future I think I will stick with a setting of 2 or switch off completely. When sitting at normal distance from the screen the noise is practically invisible on my tests. Whereas the flicker is noticeable at quite a distance from the screen. Interestingly I did a test with the noise filter set at the max. 32 and this looked really smooth. Like the CCE manual points out, it looks a bit like progressive film at the expense of being slightly softer and less detail. I think this would work really well if you are encoding a slow motion sequence or you want to mimic a film look. It's just the midway noise filter settings that don't do the biz. for me in my set-up. Thanks orGAZmic, will take note of your SVCD settings if I ever need to do SVCD's, I only have need to do DVD's. Regards Mark