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Old 18th June 2006, 01:17   #1  |  Link
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Info about gaps

There is more detail information about gaps when data-writing, refference to the post.
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Old 18th June 2006, 12:12   #2  |  Link
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I think ImgBurn v2 will go down as B/A.

I don't keep (respect) the gaps but I make new ones (if option for 32k spacing is enabled) and modify IFO's accordingly.

Oh and I believe DVD Video only has to use UDF. That's all standalone players are required to implement. ISO9660 is just added for the hell of it I think!
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Old 18th June 2006, 13:01   #3  |  Link
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I think ImgBurn v2 will go down as B/A.

I don't keep (respect) the gaps but I make new ones (if option for 32k spacing is enabled) and modify IFO's accordingly.
Do you mean Imgburn v2 supports data-writing?
I think Imgburn is ISO-writing, so gaps are determined when ISO-creating, and keep (respect) gaps because mkisofs respects IFO.
Is it incorrect?

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Oh and I believe DVD Video only has to use UDF. That's all standalone players are required to implement. ISO9660 is just added for the hell of it I think!
Thanks for the information.
I've been understood that DVD-Video must be ISO/UDF bridge, because commercial DVDs are all bridge and read many explanation in internet.

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Old 18th June 2006, 14:22   #4  |  Link
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Yup, ImgBurn v2 supports writing files. This is called 'ISO Build' mode - so I now have control of layerbreak positioning, padding etc.

In the basic 'ISO Write' mode, as you say, the program that made the ISO is responsible for gaps etc, not ImgBurn - hence nothing is lost.
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Old 18th June 2006, 15:21   #5  |  Link
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Thanks for good news, LIGHTNING UK!.
I look forward to new version.

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Old 18th June 2006, 16:17   #6  |  Link
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OMG ! i will use it as my first and only burning program ! (btw now using Ones (Prassi))

take your time... but do it ... please

I hope for a full feature data/folder/iso buring application !

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Yup, ImgBurn v2 supports writing files.
Will it be able to READ DVD file "packages" (.IFOs, .BUPs, and .VOBs) from hard drives?
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It would be a pretty useless image building tool if it didn't!

It's not specifically aimed at anything though so you could make an ISO of your entire hdd if you wanted to. It's just a generic tool for building data ISO files (by data, I mean non cdda audio).

Don't confuse this with DVD Decrypter's old 'ISO Read' mode.

Reading a disc sector by sector into an ISO file (as per DVD Dec) is one thing, but actually creating ISO9660, Joliet and UDF filesystem is VERY different! (about 3 million times more complex )
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I guess my original question was incomplete/unclear. What I wanted to know is:Will it be able to read DVD file "packages" (.IFOs, .BUPs, and .VOBs) from hard drives - and burn such a package as a proper "DVD-Video"?
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Reading a disc sector by sector into an ISO file (as per DVD Dec) is one thing, but actually creating ISO9660, Joliet and UDF filesystem is VERY different! (about 3 million times more complex)
Am I correct in understanding that this means no, it will not be able to burn such a package as a proper "DVD-Video"?
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Old 18th June 2006, 22:08   #10  |  Link
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I'm not even sure you know what you're asking!

Yes it builds images. They can be normal files or some that go to make up a dvd video disc.

DVD Video disc are only slightly different from normal ones in that the LBA address of the files in the video_ts folder must be such that the bup file comes after the IFOs and VOBs.

That's easily taken care of.

Also, if you read my initial post, we're talking about gaps and 32k padding.

Why on earth would we (I) be doing that if ImgBurn v2 didn't burn DVD Video discs?

It has full support (well best efforts for a first release!) for DVD Video, with proper file ordering, 32k (ECC block) IFO/BUP padding and a GUI for layerbreak positioning.
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I'm not even sure you know what you're asking!
I think my question is clear - Will IMGBurn v.2.0 be able to read a DVD fileset/"package" (.IFOs, .BUPs, and .VOBs) from a hard drive and burn as a "DVD-Video" (similar to what NERO can do)?
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Also, if you read my initial post, we're talking about gaps and 32k padding.
I read your initial post - and I also read the following post that you made, which is what led to my question:
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I rated my program in the B/A category and specifically mentioned editing IFO files in my first post.

That would only apply if it handled DVD Video properly.

My second post said I now have total control over the layerbreak and padding. Again that would only apply if it handled DVD Video.

Just to make sure it's clear this time around....

YES, it will build/burn DVD Video images/discs properly.
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YES, it will build/burn DVD Video images/discs properly.
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I think my question is clear - Will IMGBurn v.2.0 be able to read a DVD fileset/"package" (.IFOs, .BUPs, and .VOBs) from a hard drive and burn as a "DVD-Video" (similar to what NERO can do)?
Hopefully it will do a better job than Ner0!
Anyway, given the high quality of DVDD and ImgBurn v1, I have no doubts it will be largely superior! Thanks LUK!
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I hope so too! *gulp*

If you'd like to test it r0lz (this is a closed invitation!), just gimme the word and I'll email it to you.

btw, the new build mode still accepts CLI stuff so you could kinda use it in the same way you were/are going to with growiso.

It can either build to an ISO or build directly to disc - which is what I think you were after with growiso (or whatever it's called!)

cli params would be something like

Imgburn.exe /mode isobuild /buildmode device /src "c:\mydvd\video_ts\" /dest g: /filesystem "ISO9660 + UDF" /copies 1 /speed max /start /close
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No problem, send me a copy! (pgcedit at tiscali dot be)

Thanks for the info on the CLI syntax. However, I think I will not add support for the new build mode, since PgcEdit is not needed for that.

BTW, growisofs is a simple burn engine (widely used under Linux) and it uses directly the output of mkisofs via a pipe. It cannot create the filesystem or image itself. It should be easy to implement it in PgcEdit, because it uses exactly the same syntax than mkisofs (plus some specific parameters.)
But since ImgBurn v2 is almost ready, I'm not sure I will continue to develop the burn function of PgcEdit. ImgBurn should be easier to use.
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It might be easier to use (because it's all in one) but it probably won't (doesn't) offer all the options you do!

I'm sure the hardcore dvd peeps will still use PgcEdit -> ImgBurn's ISO Write mode.

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sorry for OT

Sounds like great stuff LIGHTNING UK!

Will it allow to build (S)VCD images from (plain) MPEG files?
Assuming they're (S)VCD compliant. That would allow me to finally dump Nero
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Sorry no, it won't.
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Only just came across this thread and am excited to learn of this development. As you know, LUK, I have wanted a general purpose ISO maker for normal backup purposes and what you are doing seems perfect. Can not wait!

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