BeSweet to support SSRC ???

... i just found this mentioned in the ultra mega thread about BeeSweet ( AC3ToMP3 formerly ), but i really dont want to pump up this thread even more .... i found nothing at Doom9 about it, is it true ?? Where to download latest version ?

[Doom9]

actually.. the app will be named besweet starting from the next version and it will indeed support ssrc. But atm there's been no release so you just have to be patient (and may I suggest buying a new soundcard in the meantime you know what I mean...

[DSPguru]

BeSweet v0.81 can be downloaded from the ultra mega thread

Originally posted by Doom9
(and may I suggest buying a new soundcard in the meantime you know what I mean...

Soundblaster Live! Gold 4 channel, direct predecessor of Platinum, a bit outdated but supports 48 KHz fine .... my problems are

1. my world famous company laptop on NT4, Toshiba Tecra 8100 with Yamaha DS-XG soundard .... no 48 KHz . This is the one i use the most for watching DivX movies !

2. my brothers PC, SB Live 1024 .... no 48 KHz

3. my fathers PC, 'dont ask me' soundcard .... by no means 48 KHz

4. ...... and so on

Its reall time you start believing me :

Downsampling from 48 KHz is a must !!!!

and it won't deteriorate the sound quality when SSRC is being used in 24 Bits mode.

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
and it won't deteriorate the sound quality when SSRC is being used in 24 Bits mode.

BeSweet's SSRC.dll works on floating-point. that's 32bits.

Originally posted by DSPguru BeSweet's SSRC.dll works on floating-point. that's 32bits

!!!

I just tried to download it ( really curious now ) but it won't let me !

[DanniDin]

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[Doom9]

2. my brothers PC, SB Live 1024 .... no 48 KHz

my sblive 1024 has 48khz support. What's wrong here?

And please keep it down with the downsampling is a must.. or you run into risk of being kicked out. There's a few things in ripping where I accept no compromises and downsampling for divx is one such thing.

[pacohaas]

before we start all this bashing again, I think someone should set up a listening test. I'm thinking in a blind listening test, doom, you couldn't tell the difference between 44.1 and 48, on mp3 clips of equal size.

[pacohaas]

DSPguru said:
BeSweet's SSRC.dll works on floating-point. that's 32bits.

Does this mean that you're taking 32 bit output from azid, feeding it through ssrc and straight into lame at 32 bits? i didn't think lame supported 32 bit input. It does however support 24 bit input. I believe that's why ChristianHJW and many others use 24 bit azid output and resample that in SSRC before feeding that into LAME. That being the case, perhaps your program should "just" use 24-bit calculations.

[Doom9]

I don't really care if I can hear it or not.

1) You should not let outdated hardware dictate your ripping style. All the people who stubborny refuse to go with the latest technology will one day wake up and find that they've been left behind. Towards that end being downward compatible is mostly a bad thing, not a good one. You should not carry around additional weight. I'm a big supporter for legacy-free... and downsampling is just part of this legacy. Let me ask you something... do you still buy VHS tapes just because your neighbor hasn't got a DVD player yet? Well.. I certainly don't.

2) downsampling takes time for an operation I don't need.

3) Downsampling certainly doesn't improve quality.

That being said.. discussion ended. There's no need to debate this as I'm never going to change my opinion ever and on my page there never will be a divx ripping guide that contains downsampling ever.

Originally posted by Doom9
And please keep it down with the downsampling is a must.. or you run into risk of being kicked out.

Where are the smilies ??? Still searching .... cant believe it ... drunken ?? Lunatic ??

There's a few things in ripping where I accept no compromises and downsampling for divx is one such thing.

O.k. big boss, listen !! As you are obviously serious about what you said above regarding 'kicking' a member out that has a different opinion than you have ..... here is my response :

If you dont apologize for what you said than there is really no need to 'kick' me ! Be sure you'll never see me again !!!

Really no need to repeat my points about why its better ever and ever agin ... you should be intelligent enough to understand that in many many cases its simply impossible to just exchange the soundcard , downsampling is taking 10 minutes longer using Danni's GUI and doesnt affect sound quality if SSRC is used !!

Waiting for your apologies .....

[DarkAvenger]

Yeah, Doom9, give it to them left and right.

I hate 44,100kHz. Does anybody know the story behind this odd number? It has something to do with VHS....

[tangent]

Originally posted by Doom9
I don't really care if I can hear it or not.

1) You should not let outdated hardware dictate your ripping style. All the people who stubborny refuse to go with the latest technology will one day wake up and find that they've been left behind. Towards that end being downward compatible is mostly a bad thing, not a good one. You should not carry around additional weight. I'm a big supporter for legacy-free... and downsampling is just part of this legacy. Let me ask you something... do you still buy VHS tapes just because your neighbor hasn't got a DVD player yet? Well.. I certainly don't.

2) downsampling takes time for an operation I don't need.

3) Downsampling certainly doesn't improve quality.

That being said.. discussion ended. There's no need to debate this as I'm never going to change my opinion ever and on my page there never will be a divx ripping guide that contains downsampling ever.

Theoretically, there should be no difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz when you encode using LAME because most settings will be lowpassing at something below 20kHz.

Agree that downsampling takes time.

Quality is a two-sided issues. There are distortions and noise added in the process of downsampling, but at the same time, it's known that LAME has some problems with 48kHz and LAME has not been tuned for 48kHz input.

[DSPguru]

ATM, lame_enc.dll doesn't support 32bit input, but i plan to release a special version with 32bit support.
that way, the whole process (azid,ssrc,boost,lame) would acheive superior quality !

[BlackSun]

I don't really understand your point of view Doom9... Downsampling is of course bad in most case, but they are a lot of people who need to downsample their audio track. Having a old SB16 ISA for example, using a laptop where you can't change your sound card...

It's like brwosing a 1024*768 website with a 640*480 max resolution

[pacohaas]

Originally posted by DSPguru
ATM, lame_enc.dll doesn't support 32bit input, but i plan to release a special version with 32bit support.
that way, the whole process (azid,ssrc,boost,lame) would acheive superior quality !

Are you prepared to release a new version as often as say mitiok or JB? It might just be easier/and faster/and stil very high quality to do the whole thing at 24 until LAME. Just a thought, I know you're certainly capable of doing it all in 32bit so more power to you if you're up to the task of daily LAME builds.

...of course a new "stable" version is right around the corner so perhaps people won't be so "luctant" to upgrade to bleeding edge alphas for a while.

luctant=not reluctant, it's late enough to be called early so please forgive my lack of english

[MaTTeR]

I've always downsampled using SSRC because my ears can't hear the difference. It really doesn't take alot of extra time on my machines to do the 2 pass conversion. No one else listens to my RIPs so I customize them to my ear :-)

In saying that I certainly hope we haven't lost ChristianHJW from the board, especially over a subject like this. Can we kiss and make up? haha

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW

Downsampling from 48 KHz is a must !!!!
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Hi,

I have had some engaging dialog with you in PM about audio encoding, but at this I must step in and say... That is a load of crap!


Do you realize that almost all consumer audio cards are PC99-spec which means they exclusively deal with 48KHz audio? *Everything* is resampled to 48KHz internally - unless it is already 48KHz! One of the main reasons for including that in PC99 spec was to achieve best quality/compatibility when used with new millenium media such as DVD, DVD-Audio, etc. etc.

Also, the SB Live! series has a well-publicized problem with 44.1KHz that I'm surprised you don't know about. (more specifically: with the 44.1 -> 48 algorithm, I believe)

Keeping things at 48KHz is the best, for all situations, as far as I am concerned. LAME having a problem with 48KHz? Either fix the problem, or find another encoder. Afraid that 48KHz occupies too much bandwidth for a 1CD-rip's MP3 track? Just live with the 5% degradation of the video file that occurs by decreasing the bitreate by 25kbps, or teach yourself to use SBC better.