Premiere Pro 2.0 and mixed field order...

arminio · 10th April 2006, 22:53

I am editing two videos with different field order (one is TFF and other is BFF). Is there any way to change field order in one of video directly in Premiere Pro 2.0? Deinterlacing is my last solution - it works, but I want interlaced video to retain sharper and more quality picture in final MPEG2 file I will encode at end (and which, now, with mixed field order, produce "messy" playback).

Zarxrax · 11th April 2006, 03:23

Right click the clip and go to interpret footage. You should be able to select top field first or bottom field first. I think this is what you are looking for.

arminio · 11th April 2006, 10:22

It doesn't help!
After selecting it on parts of clip I neeed to reverse, resulting, test AVI has these parts still in wrong field order!

krisq · 11th April 2006, 20:30

did you try to nest one project into another? i mean, create bff project and nest it in tff project...? didn't try that one myself, maybe it'll work...

arminio · 12th April 2006, 19:35

I solved this by AVS script which I used to swap field order in problematic AVI and frameserve AVS to Premiere... Now result is perfect field order in all clips - BUT! Now I have crappy transitions!? I mean, every dissolve transition (and other like "push" etc. too) between two TFF interlaced clip results in jerky playback!?

"Blend frame" doesn't help (on or off - the same result), output is set to "Upper field order"... every option looks fine, resulting AVI also looks fine but transitions between clips are horribly jerky!?

Looks like Premiere make them either progressive or BFF instead TFF - because deinterlacing again produce correct result...

I never had these problems with old Premiere 6.0 I used before Premiere Pro 2...

Any help?

Mug Funky · 25th April 2006, 14:02

easiest way to flip field order is to move the clip up by 1 pixel

that means re-rendering it though, which makes for a slow export (and if you're using DV will degrade quality).

transitions are probably working in the project's field order. if not they'll be working in the interpreted field order for the clip it's applied on. not sure which.

when i use premiere i usually import all my assets as avs files - i can fix the fields in the avs files much easier, and i trust the results more (how does premiere do it's field flips? move up one? bob-then-reinterlace? temporal field-shift?)

arminio · 25th April 2006, 16:14

I am aware that reencoding will change field order but I wanted to do it without reencoding... and I can but then, from some strange reason, it works well except in transitions where field order is different...

10th April 2006, 22:53	#1 \| Link
arminio Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 131	Premiere Pro 2.0 and mixed field order... I am editing two videos with different field order (one is TFF and other is BFF). Is there any way to change field order in one of video directly in Premiere Pro 2.0? Deinterlacing is my last solution - it works, but I want interlaced video to retain sharper and more quality picture in final MPEG2 file I will encode at end (and which, now, with mixed field order, produce "messy" playback).

11th April 2006, 20:30	#4 \| Link
krisq Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Poland Posts: 171	did you try to nest one project into another? i mean, create bff project and nest it in tff project...? didn't try that one myself, maybe it'll work... __________________ (!sig)

25th April 2006, 14:02	#6 \| Link
Mug Funky interlace this! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: i'm in ur transfers, addin noise Posts: 4,267	easiest way to flip field order is to move the clip up by 1 pixel that means re-rendering it though, which makes for a slow export (and if you're using DV will degrade quality). transitions are probably working in the project's field order. if not they'll be working in the interpreted field order for the clip it's applied on. not sure which. when i use premiere i usually import all my assets as avs files - i can fix the fields in the avs files much easier, and i trust the results more (how does premiere do it's field flips? move up one? bob-then-reinterlace? temporal field-shift?) __________________ interlace... right or wrong, just deal with it.

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11th April 2006, 03:23	#2 \| Link
Zarxrax Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 942	Right click the clip and go to interpret footage. You should be able to select top field first or bottom field first. I think this is what you are looking for.

11th April 2006, 10:22	#3 \| Link
arminio Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 131	It doesn't help! After selecting it on parts of clip I neeed to reverse, resulting, test AVI has these parts still in wrong field order!

12th April 2006, 19:35	#5 \| Link
arminio Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 131	I solved this by AVS script which I used to swap field order in problematic AVI and frameserve AVS to Premiere... Now result is perfect field order in all clips - BUT! Now I have crappy transitions!? I mean, every dissolve transition (and other like "push" etc. too) between two TFF interlaced clip results in jerky playback!? "Blend frame" doesn't help (on or off - the same result), output is set to "Upper field order"... every option looks fine, resulting AVI also looks fine but transitions between clips are horribly jerky!? Looks like Premiere make them either progressive or BFF instead TFF - because deinterlacing again produce correct result... I never had these problems with old Premiere 6.0 I used before Premiere Pro 2... Any help?

25th April 2006, 16:14	#7 \| Link
arminio Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 131	I am aware that reencoding will change field order but I wanted to do it without reencoding... and I can but then, from some strange reason, it works well except in transitions where field order is different...