LAV Filters - DirectShow Media Splitter and Decoders - Page 412

wanezhiling · 15th January 2012, 14:43

nev, this's PotPlayer's DXVA Renderless mode(Vista/Win7).

CPU is about AVG 10% when using "LAV DXVA2 or DXVA Renderless" and 3% by "PotPlayer's pure DXVA mode" on my PC.

So, is LAV DXVA2 somewhere similar to DXVA Renderless?

SamuriHL · 15th January 2012, 14:53

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Originally Posted by blexley

Amazing not one thanks for egur but if Nev should posts that he has had a cup of coffee then SamuriHL is straight on here declaring his Love for him.

Excuse me? I don't have an Intel device so I don't use egur's work. If I did I'd thank him just like I do all we've who's work I use. I think it's time to follow madshi's advice now...

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nevcairiel · 15th January 2012, 15:00

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Originally Posted by wanezhiling

So, is LAV DXVA2 somewhere similar to DXVA Renderless?

I've never used PotPlayer, but i guess the overall concept is similar, there isn't all that much that can be done differently.
Either you send the DXVA surface directly to the renderer ("native", or "pure"), or you copy the frame back to system memory and send that ("copy back", or "renderless", or however you call it)

wanezhiling · 15th January 2012, 15:19

I think LAV CUVID is my favor.

Pat357 · 15th January 2012, 16:39

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Originally Posted by nevcairiel

I've never used PotPlayer, but i guess the overall concept is similar, there isn't all that much that can be done differently.
Either you send the DXVA surface directly to the renderer ("native", or "pure"), or you copy the frame back to system memory and send that ("copy back", or "renderless", or however you call it)

Just FYI, from the PotP History.txt (10/01/2012) :
"Added Nvidia CUDA Decoder (MPEG1/2, H264/AVC, VC1 are supported)"

pirlouy · 16th January 2012, 00:14

Strangely, they stole CUVID source code, but they don't share their code for their DXVA (renderless) decoders. Not fair.
I know, Nevcairiel doesn't need it, but it's just by principle. Let's imagine they can't use Open Source license because of some law. At least, they could just give a bit...

CruNcher · 16th January 2012, 01:02

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Originally Posted by pirlouy

Strangely, they stole CUVID source code, but they don't share their code for their DXVA (renderless) decoders. Not fair.
I know, Nevcairiel doesn't need it, but it's just by principle. Let's imagine they can't use Open Source license because of some law. At least, they could just give a bit...

"VC1 Adapter Filter" looks like Madshis VC1tweak (though the code was never officially released,was it ?) though it's not really hard for someone like Potplayer devs todo a similar one (see AV Splitter dev who also did something similiar though it doesn't work for .wmv) and surely also the CUVID stuff Nev wasn't the first one who implemented it

So far the only prove what they steal (borrow) is ffmpeg and i would say the subtitle engine, some MPC-HC stuff (shader implmentation,EVR Custom), the rest seems speculation, maybe some parts of ffdshow too

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But yeah they could be a little more open, though they integrate everything very well together in their Player it's optimized together for one purpose to work combined the best way possible questionable if it makes sense to port back most of the improvements as they are optimized for their Player framework (hides) @ least though they could have helped by giving back their DXVA improvements to MPC-HC and ffdshow-dxva decoders.

The Mp4 Splitter might be also based on Gabest (MPC-HC) as it doesn't show the same issues like the ffmpeg/libav one implemented in lav splittter and av splitter or they fixed it

blexley · 16th January 2012, 01:33

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Originally Posted by SamuriHL

Excuse me? I don't have an Intel device so I don't use egur's work. If I did I'd thank him just like I do all we've who's work I use. I think it's time to follow madshi's advice now...

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So you are not Thankful for the work of people who you don't use but you expect new users that have never used LAV filters to be thankful.

The word hypocrite comes to mind.

SamuriHL · 16th January 2012, 01:34

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Originally Posted by blexley

So you are not Thankful for the work of people who you don't use but you expect new users that have never used LAV filters to be thankful.

The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Yea, that's what I said. Goodbye.

Aleksoid1978 · 16th January 2012, 04:41

Hi nevcairiel. I will try to test LAVFilters-0.44-dxva2-test-gma.zip and LAVFilters-0.44-dxva2-test3.zip and cannot select DXVA - there is no in list.
Video - integrate Intel HD(i5 - Intel Havendale/Clarkdale Processor - Integrated Graphics Controller)

DXVAChecker -

Andy o · 16th January 2012, 04:57

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Originally Posted by blexley

So you are not Thankful for the work of people who you don't use but you expect new users that have never used LAV filters to be thankful.

The word hypocrite comes to mind.

Seems pointless to argue with you, so not gonna do it. Just to mention you're not coming off only as a doom9 newbie, but as a forum newbie as well. You keep this behavior on almost any forum, and either you'll get ignored by most of the people you are asking help from, or outright banned.

blexley · 16th January 2012, 07:38

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Originally Posted by Andy o

Seems pointless to argue with you, so not gonna do it. Just to mention you're not coming off only as a doom9 newbie, but as a forum newbie as well. You keep this behavior on almost any forum, and either you'll get ignored by most of the people you are asking help from, or outright banned.

If Nev was abit more professional and had an official step by step guide for setting up the popular Mediaplayers or linked to an officially endorsed guide on the net that he supported as accurate and should be used as the standard starting point.Then the non-technical minded that do not understand filters and splitters would not have to signup and wait 5 days to be ignored because you lot are fedup with the same question being asked over and over again from 400 page thread that is impossible to comprehend and is outdated.

You are looking for fault in the wrong person when newbies shouldn't have to come here to start with.

Andy o · 16th January 2012, 09:47

It's amazing what some people feel they're owed by others giving them stuff for free. Not gonna comment anymore, you probably shouldn't until you have an actual question about the topic.

blexley · 16th January 2012, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Andy o

It's amazing what some people feel they're owed by others giving them stuff for free. Not gonna comment anymore, you probably shouldn't until you have an actual question about the topic.

You are being as illogical and nonsensical as everybody else.

What use is something that is free if you can't use it and how can you be greatful or acting if you are owded for something that you haven't even used. ?

Sebastiii · 16th January 2012, 10:49

Please blexley, try to be constructive

blexley · 16th January 2012, 10:57

I thought pointing out the gapping flaw that the non-technical minded are being forced to come here for help with the same problem was being constructive.

Keiyakusha · 16th January 2012, 11:20

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Originally Posted by blexley

Then the non-technical minded that do not understand filters and splitters would not have to signup and wait 5 days to be ignored because you lot are fedup with the same question being asked over and over again from 400 page thread that is impossible to comprehend and is outdated.

I'm sorry, I probably a bit out of topic but if you want to watch video on PC you should have at least basic understanding about filters stuff and how it works. "non-technical mindedness" is not an excuse. If someone is not non-technical minded to this point, I wonder why he uses PC at all.

blexley · 16th January 2012, 11:45

That is like suggesting you need to understand the micro electronics and how HDMI leads work with digital broadcast just to use the remote on your TV.

Why would anybody need to understand anything more than install and play. ?

psymed · 16th January 2012, 11:52

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Originally Posted by blexley

Why would anybody need to understand anything more than install and play. ?

If you want "plug and play", download cccp? It includes lav filters.

blexley · 16th January 2012, 12:08

Why are you supposed to install loads of stuff from cccp just to use the included lav filters. ?

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blexley Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 36	That is like suggesting you need to understand the micro electronics and how HDMI leads work with digital broadcast just to use the remote on your TV. Why would anybody need to understand anything more than install and play. ? Last edited by blexley; 16th January 2012 at 11:47.

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wanezhiling Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,184	nev, this's PotPlayer's DXVA Renderless mode(Vista/Win7). CPU is about AVG 10% when using "LAV DXVA2 or DXVA Renderless" and 3% by "PotPlayer's pure DXVA mode" on my PC. So, is LAV DXVA2 somewhere similar to DXVA Renderless?

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wanezhiling Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,184	I think LAV CUVID is my favor.

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pirlouy _ Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Posts: 692	Strangely, they stole CUVID source code, but they don't share their code for their DXVA (renderless) decoders. Not fair. I know, Nevcairiel doesn't need it, but it's just by principle. Let's imagine they can't use Open Source license because of some law. At least, they could just give a bit...

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blexley Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 36	I thought pointing out the gapping flaw that the non-technical minded are being forced to come here for help with the same problem was being constructive.

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blexley Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 36	Why are you supposed to install loads of stuff from cccp just to use the included lav filters. ?