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30th September 2005, 12:58 | #21 | Link |
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You're absolutely right about the excitement this "journey" can bring. Back when I was in university in the 70's I discovered something called a Hafler circuit in one of those 1001 electronic projects magazines. It provided a pseudo-surround effect by connecting a speaker across the two positive speaker outputs, resulting in a difference signal going to the speaker. By today's standards, it might be somewhat primitive (although Dolby Pro Logic II's music mode is basically the same thing with a couple of tweaks), but the door it opened up into the center of the music mixes was amazing. The one big reason I added the on/off switch to V.I was to be able to switch back and forth instantly between the two version to hear just what's happening to the sound. It truly amazes me how stuff that's buried in the mix or sitting there sounding one-dimensional jumps out and takes on a whole new level of realism when the the plugin is switched on. It's almost like putting on the special glasses glasses at a 3D film.
One thing I noticed is that you mentioned that it's 100% about the music. There is one school of thought that believes music should never have a center channel at all! I was reading comments about this recently on the Sursound mailing list. Some people feel that a center channel should only be used for movies to help "lock" the dialog to the screen. I'm not entirely convinced of this myself, but it does provide food for thought. One thing I do need needs to be avoided it piping all the vocals or dialog through just the center speaker. That can end up sounding like a mono source sitting in the middle of a separate stereo field, with the whole thing sounding disjointed. That might give maximum separation, but the whole listening experience isn't as unified or full. Yes, specise_8472 has done some VSTs for these threads, although he doesn't seem as active on this forum lately. You might also talk to johnman on here. He's a very talented programmer who's done some amazing work on wavewizard. I use a development program to do my VST plugins. I did start studying C++ but I'm not nearly at the level required to take the source code for Center Cut and turn it into a VST plugin. I did look at it and some of the code looks quite understandable, but I'm not ready to start coding on that level yet. Have a good weekend, Steve. |
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I added a 2 channel Audio File player and opened the stereo file with it. Connected the two outputs to the 2-2-3 two inputs. I assumed that the left pin is Left and the Right pin is Right. Opened three 1 channel Audio Recorders. Connected the 1st output pin of the VST to the 1st recorder and saved it as Left.wav. Connected the 2nd output pin of the VST to the 2nd Audio recorder and saved it as Right.wav. Connected the 3rd output pin of the VST to the 3rd recorder and saved it as Center.wav. Sofar so good but now when I click on the play button of the player the recorders don't start in sync, am I missing a step here. To correct that I started all three recorders then started the player and fixed it in Sound forge by deleting the blank part at the beginning and end. I do like the way it produces the front sound stage and I am trying to encode it as DD 5.1 with the 3 Sourround & LFE files generated with the V.I VST. Any help on starting this thing in sync with the player? Thanks |
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Hi f@chance,
It's really not too complicated once you've done it a couple of times.
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Sorry for this but I am new at the whole bidule thingy but I like it. |
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You could just add a 3-channel recorder and then split the files later using Besweet, WaveWizard or other file splitting programs. Still, go ahead and try the three single-channel recorders. In theory, they should work, especially if you sync them as I described.
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No, I am! It's been awhile since I actually looked at the palette in Bidule to see what's available. I set my default layout to one with a 2-channel player and 6-channel recorder, so I'm rarely adding from the list of available recorders. Anyway, if you got it working with the three single-channel recorders, great!
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Daphy suggested I make my default bidule layout available as a download, so here it is. Simply download this, then unzip and open it. If you've got a different Audio Device setup from ASIO4ALL, then you'll have to substitute yours for the ASIO4ALL output I have on mine. When you have the layout set up the way you want it, simply choose Set current patch as default from Bidule's Edit menu. You can do this with any layout you choose and then whenever you open Bidule in the future, your chosen default layout will be there.
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You can download DeKQS here. I'm actually fairly impressed with the surround field it gives. I still prefer V.I because it seems to extract more room ambience, but DeKQS isn't bad at all. Enjoy! Last edited by ursamtl; 8th October 2005 at 03:06. |
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