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Old 18th October 2008, 22:10   #1  |  Link
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Feasible to burn bluray structure onto dvd disc?

If i had a blue ray structured all setup already (total size 3gigs BDMV & Certificate folder)

Would it be feasible to burn that structure onto dvd disc


And if i inserted that into the ps3 would the system play it?

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Old 18th October 2008, 23:15   #2  |  Link
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Yes.
BD structure on DVD is gonna work on PS3.
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Old 19th October 2008, 00:17   #3  |  Link
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Yes.
BD structure on DVD is gonna work on PS3.
so i can burn the structure as just a data CD right
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Old 19th October 2008, 00:22   #4  |  Link
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First you have to make a UDF 2.5 ISO file and burn it to DVD with ImgBurn (freeware) or Nero.
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Old 19th October 2008, 00:27   #5  |  Link
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do you have a place where i can find the instruction for this, it sounds more complicated than i thought it would be
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Old 19th October 2008, 00:42   #6  |  Link
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I don't remember a specific thread but:

Open ImgBurn and select "Create image file from files/folders"
Select BDMV and CERTİCATE folders as input created by TSMuxer.
Under Options select UDF 2.5.
Under labels "UDF", give a name to your UDF.
Select destination folder and start.,
In second step open ImgBurn and select "Write image to disk"
It is gonna burn Iso image on DVD.
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Old 19th October 2008, 01:42   #7  |  Link
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A word of warning: If your video isn't exactly 1280x720 or 1920x1080 it will not work, you will get downscaling and ugly green bars! Also framerate plays a role, 25fps is no go (atleast on some monitors like mine!)...
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Old 19th October 2008, 01:51   #8  |  Link
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Yes 1920*1080 or 1280*720 is an obligation but i didn't check 25fps issue.

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Old 19th October 2008, 02:54   #9  |  Link
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Yes 1920*1080 or 1280*720 is an obligation but i didn't check 25fps issue.
In TSmuxer it says my file is 1084i and I'm using the lastest version of the software.

I don't why it would say that when the file was recorded as 1080i by HD PVR
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Old 19th October 2008, 03:04   #10  |  Link
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PVR gives you 720p and 1080i options for watching.
Which means your PVR makes post-processing on original signal.
For instance, in Europe, most of the HD broadcast is 1088i and rarely 720p.
So if the original is 1088i, then the record will have to be 1088i.
In this case, you have to rescale it to 1080 or 720 if you want to make a BD.

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how am i going to do that? I can't find any software the let's me edit the .TS file. The file is listed as 1088 in virtualdubmod.

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Old 19th October 2008, 03:25   #12  |  Link
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You will need avs, graphstudio and megui.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136505

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141582
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Old 19th October 2008, 04:03   #13  |  Link
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i am sooo confused now

Virtualdubmod shows 1088

dgavcindex shows 1080 when it demux the video

h264_cutter shows 1088

What is right? is it 1080 or 1088
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Old 19th October 2008, 19:22   #14  |  Link
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In TSmuxer it says my file is 1084i and I'm using the lastest version of the software.

I don't why it would say that when the file was recorded as 1080i by HD PVR
I have yet to see TsMuxer producing a working 1080i AVCHD disc, so even if your video is actually 1080i and not 1088i, I doubt it'll work... tried my luck on 4 different 1080i streams so far, some recorded directly from PVR, no go!
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i am sooo confused now

Virtualdubmod shows 1088

dgavcindex shows 1080 when it demux the video

h264_cutter shows 1088

What is right? is it 1080 or 1088
The right one is 1088.
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The right one is 1088.
1088i is ok for me on PS3!
I use my captured TS at 1088i, as they are. NO RE-ENCODING!

Trim with TSPlayer (very quick) or trim with H264TS_Cutter (slower, but no audio delay issues in tsMuxeR).
Mux with tsMuxeR to a blu-ray structure (correct audio delay, add chapters, split to 4GB for FAT32) into folder BD.
Rename BD folder to AVCHD, apply AVCHD_ME (Info).
Copy AVCHD folder to FAT32 external USB-disk.
Play with PS3.
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Old 5th November 2008, 18:54   #17  |  Link
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1088 is correct, although the picture is only 1080. The extra 8 lines (which isn't really noticeable) is just blank data to make it up to mod16 (I believe its something along those lines anyway!).

1088/16 = 68
1920/16 = 120

Good for compression!

1920/1080 = 16:9 exactly

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Right, it should be fine, provided your streams are compliant to the AVCHD spec, particularly in regards to bitrate and GOP structure.

I haven't had much luck with bitrates over 10-15mbps, because the DVD disc has to be spun very quickly to achieve these data rates, and most players won't / can't do this.

My PS3 for example choked on a 20mbps x264 encode with VBV enabled, and max bitrate set to 40mbps. It was fine in the low motion areas, but in high bitrate playback was choppy and audio sync was lost.

So, you might not be able to simply remux to BluRay structure. You might have to re-encode, which sucks

Anyway, you have a folder stucture set up already, so why not try it? Just use IMGBurn to make a UDF 2.5 disc like this:

1) click "write files / folders to disc"
2) Drag all the folders in to the left windoe
3) On the options tab, select UDF 2.5
4) Burn to DVD-R / DVD+R

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I have had no problems getting a Blu ray to fit on a single layer DVD using ripbot. It looks and sounds fantastic. I tried doing it on a double layer at 7.95GB and it gets choppy in the playback. I use Imgburn to burn the discs (minus the certificate folder).

I tried using a program called Blu Ray to DVD pro which splits a blu ray or m2ts onto several DVD's at the original quality. I never got one disc working due to the high bitrate and got choppy playback. It saids it works on AVCHD capable players but I think they have only tested it on the PS3.
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I wasn't referring to actually fitting the data on the disc, I was referring to the player being able to spin the disc fast enough to read it!

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