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Old 15th August 2013, 05:29   #19861  |  Link
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maybe you guys already know this, but i find avsforum 4:4:4 topic great.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1381724/official-4-4-4-chroma-subsampling-thread
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Old 15th August 2013, 22:55   #19862  |  Link
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I believe I am seeing jerky motion while watching a telecine'd TV recording from Showtime with LAV + madVR IVTC + madVR smooth motion (30i IVTC → 24p → 60Hz smooth motion).

Does anyone happen to know a good IVTC motion test file so that I can try to reproduce that more reliably and try to find out if my file is bad, or the timestamps from LAV are bad, or madVR IVTC is bad?

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Old 16th August 2013, 15:02   #19863  |  Link
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I believe I am seeing jerky motion while watching a IVTC'd TV recording from Showtime with LAV + madVR IVTC + madVR smooth motion (30i IVTC → 24p → 60Hz smooth motion).

Does anyone happen to know a good IVTC motion test file so that I can try to reproduce that more reliably and try to find out if my file is bad, or the timestamps from LAV are bad, or madVR IVTC is bad?
First important question : does MavdVR detect & show the 3:2 cadence on OSD without too much "cadence breaks" ?

Second : did you disable the build in "Telecine processing" from the GPU ? If it's enabled, it can interfere with the MadVR IVTC.

Third : is maybe a typo from you, but I'm not sure : are you sure your TV recording is already IVTC'd ? Then you can't really IVTC it again : obviously only Telecine sources can be IVTC'd !

Fourth : is your TV source soft Telecine'd or hard Telecine'd or maybe even mixed soft/hard Telecine'd ?

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Old 16th August 2013, 21:15   #19864  |  Link
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First important question : does MavdVR detect & show the 3:2 cadence on OSD without too much "cadence breaks" ?
The cadence is properly detected, and there are zero cadence breaks.

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Second : did you disable the build in "Telecine processing" from the GPU ? If it's enabled, it can interfere with the MadVR IVTC.
Irrelevant. I'm not using any GPU video processing (no DXVA, no CUVID, and madVR is doing the rendering).

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Third : is maybe a typo from you, but I'm not sure : are you sure your TV recording is already IVTC'd ? Then you can't really IVTC it again : obviously only Telecine sources can be IVTC'd !
Ah, yes, sorry for the confusion. Of course I meant the original file is telecined, and I am trying to IVTC it using madVR.

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Fourth : is your TV source soft Telecine'd or hard Telecine'd or maybe even mixed soft/hard Telecine'd ?
No idea. Probably a mix since it's a TV broadcast (I'm not sure how clean the Showtime broadcast is), but AFAIK madVR is supposed to be able to handle all kinds of crazy soft/hard telecine mixes.

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Old 16th August 2013, 21:46   #19865  |  Link
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madVR requires film mode to be manually selected prior to video playback in order to properly apply smooth motion with the current release. I think madshi will update this later to work on-the-fly with keyboard shortcuts as expected.
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Old 16th August 2013, 23:29   #19866  |  Link
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Not sure what you mean. Currently I have "disable automatic source type detection" checked, "force film mode" checked, and "enable smooth motion only if there would be motion judder without it" checked. When I play the video, the OSD says "film mode, cadence 3:2" and "smooth motion on". What do you think I should do exactly?

Note that bug 113 doesn't seem to apply to me, since smooth motion is enabled according to the OSD. It just doesn't seem to work well.

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Old 17th August 2013, 03:19   #19867  |  Link
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Not sure what you mean. Currently I have "disable automatic source type detection" checked, "force film mode" checked, and "enable smooth motion only if there would be motion judder without it" checked. When I play the video, the OSD says "film mode, cadence 3:2" and "smooth motion on". What do you think I should do exactly?

Note that bug 113 doesn't seem to apply to me, since smooth motion is enabled according to the OSD. It just doesn't seem to work well.
Well, if you've already done that then I'm out of ideas. :/ Are you using Reclock, by any chance? Sometimes it doesn't pick up the correct refresh rate for IVTC'd material depending on the source content.
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Old 17th August 2013, 11:01   #19868  |  Link
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I'm not using ReClock.

What I'm really looking for is some hard/soft telecine 1080i30 motion test files so that I can try to reproduce this thing in isolation.
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Old 17th August 2013, 14:26   #19869  |  Link
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How is it that nobody ever speaks about the Intel decoders? The MPEG2 one is now my default and I just tried the H.264,and it works like a charm (x.264,1080i,blu-ray)?

Errr,Madshi:

Intel Media SDK 2013 R2
http://software.intel.com/fr-fr/forums/topic/356800
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Old 17th August 2013, 18:01   #19870  |  Link
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Is there a way to make txt subtitles respect the video/3D LUT? Or is this a limitation of MPC-HC's subtitle renderer?
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Old 18th August 2013, 07:25   #19871  |  Link
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hi,
I have a A/V receiver (denon 4311) with two HDMI outputs (TV, Videoprojector) linked to ATI 5770 graphics cards (hdmi ->hdmi) .
madVR can not detect which device is used (I guess it's a normal situation). is there a way to switch between several devices (I don't see any shortcut). I can create a new device in preferences but I can not tell to madVR to use it. I would like to use different PC/TV levels and 3dlut for each display linked to AV Receiver.

Thanks !
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Old 18th August 2013, 13:59   #19872  |  Link
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Is there a way to make txt subtitles respect the video/3D LUT? Or is this a limitation of MPC-HC's subtitle renderer?
It's not a limitation of the sub renderer. MPC-HC doesn't support any kind of the 3DLUT. You can use XySubFilter (not sure if 3dlut is applied to text subs, it should be) or just use VSfilter like renderer which will add subtitles to video frame before it reach madVR
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Old 19th August 2013, 03:45   #19873  |  Link
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Hi. I have a 144hz monitor ( ASUS VG248QE ) and was wondering if this refresh rate is supposed to reduce/eliminate motion judder due to it being a multiple of 24p. I'm mainly watching anime atm and I used this guide to set up MPC-HC and MadVR ( I'm using the highest preset in the guide for scaling )

Sadly, motion judder is still existent and is even worse now since Smooth Motion appears to not work at 120hz. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this and whether or not I'm missing something.

Specs are: 2600k @ 4.5ghz with a radeon 7950.

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Old 19th August 2013, 05:00   #19874  |  Link
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Hi. I have a 144hz monitor ( ASUS VG248QE ) and was wondering if this refresh rate is supposed to reduce/eliminate motion judder due to it being a multiple of 24p. I'm mainly watching anime atm and I used this guide to set up MPC-HC and MadVR ( I'm using the highest preset in the guide for scaling )

Sadly, motion judder is still existent and is even worse now since Smooth Motion appears to not work at 120hz. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this and whether or not I'm missing something.

Specs are: 2600k @ 4.5ghz with a radeon 7950.
I would run at 120 Hz and turn smooth motion off. No benefit to smooth motion in madVR when the refresh rate is an exact multiple of the source; it should be perfect for you already.

If judder persists in this case it must be the source.
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Old 19th August 2013, 05:37   #19875  |  Link
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i got a vg248 too.

make sure windows aero uses composition rate 120 hz. that hard some times else use fullscreen exlusive mode.

you can put smoothmotion on always if you like. you shouldn't be able too see the ghosting in 120 hz but the frame repeat every ~42 sec is gone.

use lightboost : http://www.blurbusters.com/easy-lightboost-toastyx-strobelight/
this reduce motion blur a little in 24hz and it nearly completely eliminate on true 120 hz content

and try 1 of these icc profiles : http://pcmonitors.info/reviews/asus-vg248qe
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Old 19th August 2013, 09:12   #19876  |  Link
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Hi,
Sorry if the answer is somewhere in the 994 pages
Can i use dxva with madvr and mpchc on Windows XP ?

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Old 19th August 2013, 09:15   #19877  |  Link
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No, madVR only supports DXVA2.0 which is not available on WinXP.
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Old 19th August 2013, 09:16   #19878  |  Link
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Thanks for your quick replie
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Old 19th August 2013, 16:08   #19879  |  Link
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Does a gtx 650 Ti makes any difference over a gtx 650 for madVR ?
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Old 19th August 2013, 16:24   #19880  |  Link
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GTX 650: GK107 (384CUDA, 32TMUs, 16ROPs), 1058/5000MHz, GDDR5, 128bit, 812.54GFLOPS
GTX 650 Ti: GK106 (768CUDA, 64TMUs, 16ROPs), 928/5400MHz, GDDR5, 128bit, 1425.41GFLOPS

I will choose 650 Ti without any hesitation.
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