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23rd February 2013, 21:51 | #17701 | Link |
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So if I understand well the best way to play a 23.976 fps movie if you have a good tv/pc, is to use reclock to switch at 24 fps and then set the tv at 96hz (of course if the tv acccept this frequency)? On my HD 6850 I also have a 23hz mode, is it another good option to play 23.976 content?
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On my screen
CRT 1600x1200@100MHz smooth motion is Absolutely doing viewing by the unpleasant. Because of it the image twitches, as mad advancing a shot forward, back.
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I noticed the same thing. Seemed to be better with 0.86.1 though. Last edited by rahzel; 23rd February 2013 at 22:14. |
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Tried FRC with 1080p23 and 720p23 video on 1080p60 display.
Good news, 24 picture is finally smooth (my TV does 24/60 pulldown) and my 7750 handles FRC/Jinc3 AR/linear light no problem and present time is still perfect (~1ms). Bad news, picture looks a bit soft. Hmmm... I guess I can buy it. Bravo madshi! Last edited by Qaq; 24th February 2013 at 09:48. Reason: typo |
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Ya, for sets that properly support 24p (ie have refresh rate that is an even multiple of 24) each of the ~24 frames will be displayed x amount of times per second. So if your set supports 24p, FRC isn't really necessary.
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24th February 2013, 01:35 | #17710 | Link |
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There are still out of order frames appearing in v0.86.1 both on seek and on regular playback when the GPU usage hits 100% (by sapping it with a separate GPU app like firefox with GPU accel enabled). |
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It is also the different design between Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic NeoPlasma although recent Panasonic's PDP has been integrated with some Kuro / ALiS panel's design. The ST50 / GT50 / VT50 panels supports 3 different brightness per driving. 0% / 25% / 100%. So it can create even more color levels than the older X50 / U50 600Hz driving one. As I know, the Pioneer Kuro panel has the different mechanism to remove motion blur. Each pixel is actually divided into several spatial sub-pixel regions. If the pixel's color change is too big, it chooses the mode to display the color at the 1st temporal sub-pixel time. At other sub-pixel times, pixel is not displayed. The pixels with smaller temporal color difference, it still uses the regular driving mechanism to maintain best color accuracy and to prevent flicking. Last edited by pie1394; 24th February 2013 at 04:12. |
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I've come around: FRC is definitely where it's at. My display, though, does 60.00038hz once it settles in and I get 1 frame repeat every 41.74 seconds. No drops ever. Nothing I can change in reclock makes a difference. Is that how it is supposed to work?
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Anyway, do you have the first "trade quality for performance" option unchecked? Please try that, it might reduce the flickering you're seeing with 24fps@60Hz. If you still see flickering with that option unchecked, please upload a sample for me to look at. Quote:
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How is your post madVR related? Neither "madVR" nor "frc" nor "smooth motion" appear in your text at all. It seems to me you've just copy-pasted some old post of yours without taking the time to put it into any context. Please either remove your post, or at least make the effort to write some new text to describe what your post has to do with recent madVR topics. For example, if you think your test patterns would be useful for testing madVR's FRC, then please explain why and how, and maybe also report your own results when testing your patterns with madVR's FRC. Thanks. Last edited by madshi; 24th February 2013 at 11:54. |
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I've been playing with it to try to figure out if there's anything that makes it happen more often than not but I can't seem to find anything. All I know is that if I skip around long enough, it will happen eventually. But it might happen on the first skip, or it might take 10 skips after opening a file. It also doesn't seem to dance around between two frames for a few ms either anymore, it just shows 1 frame from.. somewhere, and then proceeds to play back normally. It's very non intrusive considering it rarely happens, and when it does, it's 1 frame (seemingly anyway). This is with default flush settings, windowed mode. |
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Another thing, just to make you aware, because I am not sure that this is a bug, but rather an observation: You wrote that with 0.86.1 you needed to modify the FRC code with an additional flush somewhere in the code if I understood you correctly. Is that change related to the custom 4 flush options or is that an additional flush that we donīt see/we canīt modify? I am asking, because, when using FRC, you now have to (only if youīre not using the default flush settings) at least use one flush on the first 3 flush options or youīre going to have severe stuttering. If you donīt use FRC, "donīt flush" on every flush option works perfectly fine. 0.86.1 didnīt change anything in that regard, you still have to use a flush somewhere on the first 3 options. Since thereīs no seperate flush settings for the FRC path to modify, using fully custom flush settings is not possible anymore when youīre also using FRC for some movies. What I was asking myself: Did you really need to modify the FRC path with an additional flush, when we still have to use one flush in the flush options, anyway for FRC to work correctly? Are you aware of that? Just to give you a heads up. I can go into more detail if something is unclear or put that into the bug tracker if you want to. Last edited by iSunrise; 24th February 2013 at 13:56. |
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But, when I said earlier in the thread where I was getting many framedrops without "use a separate device for presentation" enabled in 0.86.0, I can now disable it without getting framedrops (you must have fixed it). Along with confirming that fix, the seek bug seems to have completely gone away as well with "use a separate device for presentation" disabled. Perhaps this could be our culprit? I'm trying to watch as many types of content as I can, and I hate to speak too soon, but.. I can't help myself |
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