Any way to get AQ using HCEnc in current version (1.27.3)?

blutach · 3rd July 2008, 08:54

Or is a manual encode necessary? And would a valid method be to do a prepare and then make the requesite HC INI files and encode manually and transfer the results into D2VAVS and Rebuild?

Second question... Can someone explain please why HCEnc sometimes adjusts average bitrate; often by large amounts (I have read this by the way)? Today I had a segment which started off OK, then dipped to -1%, then -3% and finally -8%! I re-encoded manually, upping the desired bitrate to compensate but the adjustment this time was only 1% or so (I did add AQ1 to the manual encode, so maybe that changed the parameters sufficiently to fix the quant or max BR or buffer). It's just I have never had such a large adjustment before and this caused undersizing by about 30Mb.

Thirdly, a request for jdobbs. I really like looking at HCEnc's log files as they are quite informative. Can we have an option to include the log files for each segment's encode in D2VAVS please (or just one log file showing all the segments)? For one, this would be an easy way to determine which segments suffered from the bitrate adjustment mentioned above.

in advance

Regards

Rogi · 3rd July 2008, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by blutach

Or is a manual encode necessary? And would a valid method be to do a prepare and then make the requesite HC INI files and encode manually and transfer the results into D2VAVS and Rebuild?

I place HC.ini in C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\HC Encoder and in ini file I put *AQ 2 value. I think this should work.

jdobbs · 3rd July 2008, 13:34

@Rogi

The setting in HC.INI file wouldn't be used, the INI file is created with each individual encode to match settings and information known about the segment (in the Professional Edition)

@blutach
You could probably set up a command line encoder .BAT script to do what you want. But that's the only way I can think of offhand. I've already added AQ to v1.28. I'll see if I can get that released this weekend. I've been spending time researching and trying different things for BD Rebuilder development and haven't put the effort that I should have in getting this update out.

blutach · 3rd July 2008, 14:16

@jdobbs

Looking forward to 1.28

Any chance of my request being implemented in this version?

And in the absence of a BAT file, is manual encoding a reasonable way to go?

Regards

jdobbs · 3rd July 2008, 20:37

I don't really see a way since the HC.INI is created and removed on-the-fly as the segments are encoded.

Darksoul71 · 3rd July 2008, 20:57

@blutach:
A simple AutoIt "wrapper" similar to HCEnc^n or QuEnc^n could do the job.
In regard to the separate log file for each segment I could do this as well.

PM me if you have interest in such a "wrapper".

jdobbs · 3rd July 2008, 21:23

??? It's going to be available within DVD-RB in a couple of days..

Rogi · 3rd July 2008, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

@Rogi

The setting in HC.INI file wouldn't be used, the INI file is created with each individual encode to match settings and information known about the segment (in the Professional Edition)

Thank you for clarification.

Darksoul71 · 3rd July 2008, 21:28

Well, it was just an offer to blutach...
Even if the new version of DVD-RB will be available in a few days it seems to me
that blutach doesn´t want to wait...

Quote:

Originally Posted by blutach

And in the absence of a BAT file, is manual encoding a reasonable way to go?

Writing this in AutoIt would take something like 15 min....so I was just willing to help...

blutach · 3rd July 2008, 23:02

Thanks for the offers but I can certainly wait

My main interest is in being able to use AQ but also getting a logfile of each encode (which is also an easy parameter to add) as I am a nut in examining the stats.

And if anyone has any better explanation as to why that adjusting bitrate thing can be so severe sometimes (and how to stop the encoder from doing this), I'd be really grateful.

Regards

Boulder · 6th July 2008, 16:22

I would be more than interested in the wrapper since there's no AQ-supporting RB-Opt version yet

Darksoul71 · 6th July 2008, 20:43

@Boulder:
Been there, done that

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...36#post1156236

Boulder · 6th July 2008, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darksoul71

@Boulder:
Been there, done that

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...36#post1156236

Ha, thanks a lot!

Darksoul71 · 6th July 2008, 21:00

@Boulder:
You´re welcome ! I´m just running another test DVD together with RB Opt.
Give it a try and let me know if you see room for enhancements

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	Any way to get AQ using HCEnc in current version (1.27.3)? Or is a manual encode necessary? And would a valid method be to do a prepare and then make the requesite HC INI files and encode manually and transfer the results into D2VAVS and Rebuild? Second question... Can someone explain please why HCEnc sometimes adjusts average bitrate; often by large amounts (I have read this by the way)? Today I had a segment which started off OK, then dipped to -1%, then -3% and finally -8%! I re-encoded manually, upping the desired bitrate to compensate but the adjustment this time was only 1% or so (I did add AQ1 to the manual encode, so maybe that changed the parameters sufficiently to fix the quant or max BR or buffer). It's just I have never had such a large adjustment before and this caused undersizing by about 30Mb. Thirdly, a request for jdobbs. I really like looking at HCEnc's log files as they are quite informative. Can we have an option to include the log files for each segment's encode in D2VAVS please (or just one log file showing all the segments)? For one, this would be an easy way to determine which segments suffered from the bitrate adjustment mentioned above. in advance Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Last edited by blutach; 3rd July 2008 at 09:12.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 20,976	@Rogi The setting in HC.INI file wouldn't be used, the INI file is created with each individual encode to match settings and information known about the segment (in the Professional Edition) @blutach You could probably set up a command line encoder .BAT script to do what you want. But that's the only way I can think of offhand. I've already added AQ to v1.28. I'll see if I can get that released this weekend. I've been spending time researching and trying different things for BD Rebuilder development and haven't put the effort that I should have in getting this update out. __________________ Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.net

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	@jdobbs Looking forward to 1.28 Any chance of my request being implemented in this version? And in the absence of a BAT file, is manual encoding a reasonable way to go? Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 20,976	I don't really see a way since the HC.INI is created and removed on-the-fly as the segments are encoded. __________________ Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.net

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 20,976	??? It's going to be available within DVD-RB in a couple of days.. __________________ Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.net

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Darksoul71 Can you blush ? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 696	@blutach: A simple AutoIt "wrapper" similar to HCEnc^n or QuEnc^n could do the job. In regard to the separate log file for each segment I could do this as well. PM me if you have interest in such a "wrapper".

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	Thanks for the offers but I can certainly wait My main interest is in being able to use AQ but also getting a logfile of each encode (which is also an easy parameter to add) as I am a nut in examining the stats. And if anyone has any better explanation as to why that adjusting bitrate thing can be so severe sometimes (and how to stop the encoder from doing this), I'd be really grateful. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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Boulder Pig on the wing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 5,733	I would be more than interested in the wrapper since there's no AQ-supporting RB-Opt version yet __________________ And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the Moon...

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Darksoul71 Can you blush ? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 696	@Boulder: Been there, done that http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...36#post1156236

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Darksoul71 Can you blush ? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Northern Europe Posts: 696	@Boulder: You´re welcome ! I´m just running another test DVD together with RB Opt. Give it a try and let me know if you see room for enhancements