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Old 15th November 2016, 14:07   #40101  |  Link
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NGS: Next Generation Scaler.
Why Next Generation? It will be an improvement, not a next generation thing. It would suggest to name it after the creator. If the scaler is aiming at 4K then I would suggest something like madshi4K1 or madScaler4K1 or simpler mad4K1. In a few years we might get 8K with new possibilities and a new madScaler8K1 scaler. Just a thought.
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Old 15th November 2016, 14:24   #40102  |  Link
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+1 for a pronounceable name like NEGERU (Neeedjeeeruuu)
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Old 15th November 2016, 14:42   #40103  |  Link
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+1 for a pronounceable name like NEGERU (Neeedjeeeruuu)


Sounds cool like an African word


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Old 15th November 2016, 15:07   #40104  |  Link
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Why Next Generation? It will be an improvement, not a next generation thing.
Judging by the screenshots madshi showed, I'd call it next gen for a scaler with realtime-performance.
NG1 is fine with me.
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Old 15th November 2016, 16:17   #40105  |  Link
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I like MadNGU (Madshi Next Generation Upscaler)
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Old 15th November 2016, 17:18   #40106  |  Link
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Teaser Part III.

I've seen some people complain that NG1 might be sharpening the image, or be a tad "too sharp". Please note that NG1 does not have any artificial sharpening logic in it. All it does is make an educated guess at what the original hires image ("groundtruth") might have been. But please compare for yourself. Here's a test from the Mononoke Blu-Ray, where we have the original hires image, so we can compare how near the various upscaling algorithms come to the groundtruth.

For your interest, I've downscaled the image *without* Anti-Ringing and in gamma light, because that's what movie studios usually do. NG1 is currently optimized for that situation, so we get the best results with actual DVD and Blu-Ray content.

groundtruth -- | -- downscaled to 50% using Catmull-Rom

madVR:

Jinc AR -- | -- super-xbr 100 -- | -- NNEDI3 256 taps -- | -- NNEDI3 256 taps + SuperRes 4 -- | -- NG1 (near final) -- | -- waifu2x

For comparison purposes, here are the results with the latest MPDN version:

MPDN NNEDI3 256 taps + SuperRes (strength 1.0, 10 passes) -- | -- MPDN NNEDI3 256 taps + SSSR (sharp, 2 passes)

Also have a look at how the various algos handle the top and bottom letterbox edges.
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Old 15th November 2016, 17:22   #40107  |  Link
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Unbelievable.
Well done!

The TV manufacturers are soiling their pants now, I'm 100% sure they closely watching your thread madshi.
I don't know what you do in real life, but you are missing millions in salary if you are not in the industry.
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Old 15th November 2016, 17:30   #40108  |  Link
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Unbelievable...

The other algos look like crap. Can't see a difference between NG1 and Waifu2!

Now I hope it is not to performance hungry, so my rx480 can handle it.


Well done Madshi! You are the greatest!!
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Old 15th November 2016, 17:35   #40109  |  Link
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How do lower levels of NG1 compare to super-xbr and NNEDI3? There is no way I can run 64 neurons. Close but not 64 neurons.
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Old 15th November 2016, 17:46   #40110  |  Link
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To be honest, NG1 does seem to like Mononoke style images particularly well (although I have mostly optimized for real life photos). In other types of images waifu2x is usually clearly sharper.

Lower levels of NG1 are not finished yet, so I can't comment on that too much yet, but I can say that NG1 should pack a punch at any performance level I can manage to scale it to.

There should be a first version available by next weekend, regardless of whether I'm "finished" by then or not. I'll try very hard to release something for you to play with, at least.
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Old 15th November 2016, 18:08   #40111  |  Link
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Presumably it works with a 900 series card as well, but 4K support is quite limited without full HDMI 2.0, so if thats your goal you should probably upgrade.
It is my understanding that the 9 series is FULL HDMI 2.0. But HDMI 2.0a introduced HDR, and 2.0b introduces another minor modification. So HDMI 2.0 supports 4k at 60hz. Just not officially HDR. Supposedly the 9 series can be upgraded via a Software upgrade but it has been undetermined that nVidia will go that route. You can have Full 4K support with 2.0 is how I've read it.

My question about upgrading is IF I want to send HDR, I'll need a 2.0a card I imagine, BUT the question is how soon will madVR incorporate sending HDR data directly to the TV. If its not for some time, upgrading now is pointless.
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Old 15th November 2016, 18:27   #40112  |  Link
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There should be a first version available by next weekend, regardless of whether I'm "finished" by then or not. I'll try very hard to release something for you to play with, at least.
Thank you.
Who cares about settings that require less performance than NNEDI3 64?
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Old 15th November 2016, 18:42   #40113  |  Link
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It is my understanding that the 9 series is FULL HDMI 2.0. But HDMI 2.0a introduced HDR, and 2.0b introduces another minor modification. So HDMI 2.0 supports 4k at 60hz. Just not officially HDR. Supposedly the 9 series can be upgraded via a Software upgrade but it has been undetermined that nVidia will go that route. You can have Full 4K support with 2.0 is how I've read it.
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All NVIDIA GPUs from the 900 and 1000 series support HDR display output. The presence of HDMI 2.0 provides the bandwidth necessary for the higher quality signal desirable for HDR. The 1000 series adds support for HDR over future Display Port revisions.
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Old 15th November 2016, 18:49   #40114  |  Link
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To be honest, NG1 does seem to like Mononoke style images particularly well (although I have mostly optimized for real life photos). In other types of images waifu2x is usually clearly sharper.

Lower levels of NG1 are not finished yet, so I can't comment on that too much yet, but I can say that NG1 should pack a punch at any performance level I can manage to scale it to.

There should be a first version available by next weekend, regardless of whether I'm "finished" by then or not. I'll try very hard to release something for you to play with, at least.
What ever you call it, please make it easily forum searchable
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Old 15th November 2016, 18:59   #40115  |  Link
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I'll try very hard to release something for you to play with, at least.
That would be nice. Can't wait to try it out and give you a little feedback.
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Old 15th November 2016, 19:05   #40116  |  Link
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Who cares about settings that require less performance than NNEDI3 64?
I do. 60 fps videos require low frame times (~16ms before frames drop). I have a ton of 720p60 content.

I absolutely cannot do NNEDI3 64 neurons with 60 fps videos on my mid level gpu at anywhere close to 16ms, so I'm hoping that this NG1 "low" still gives good quality at Jinc/super-xbr type gpu loads.
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I don't want to buy a brand new graphics card just to use one algorithm in madVR. NNEDI3 64 is too slow for a GTX 750 Ti. I would rather live with what that card can do than drop $300 on a GPU. Many madVR users are not gamers.
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Old 15th November 2016, 19:53   #40118  |  Link
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i don't understand why performance is an issue here.
even if your current GPU is to slow the new algorithm isn't running away.
what is so hard to live without this new algorithm for now?
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Old 15th November 2016, 20:16   #40119  |  Link
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I do. 60 fps videos require low frame times (~16ms before frames drop). I have a ton of 720p60 content.
It was just a joke. madshi said that he's working on lower quality modes which should be performance-equal to Jinc.
Let's just be happy about better quality first.
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Old 15th November 2016, 20:36   #40120  |  Link
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For comparison purposes, here are the results with the latest MPDN version:

MPDN NNEDI3 256 taps + SuperRes (strength 1.0, 10 passes) -- | -- MPDN NNEDI3 256 taps + SSSR (sharp, 2 passes)

Also have a look at how the various algos handle the top and bottom letterbox edges.
FWIW the 'hybrid' mode of SSSR gives a somewhat more nuanced result, it still doesn't come close to NG1 though.
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