madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[actarusfleed]

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Media Player Classic - BE, MPC-BE, it is my favourite player.
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=165890
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These are rocksolid.

Hi Klaus, are you answering to me?
If yes, I already use BE version...

I've tested BE and HC classic version and both reports "composition rate" line ...

Please someone tells me if it's normal to have it with those players ...?

[Klaus1189]

I added a quote, so it's clear.

I use MPC-BE, as you already know and I always have composition rate line in OSD stats.

[actarusfleed]

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

I added a quote, so it's clear.

I use MPC-BE, as you already know and I always have composition rate line in OSD stats.

Ok thank you Klaus.
Why composition rate is = 60hz .... and the film content reproduced is 23,97Hz?

Is it normal 60Hz?

My graphic card use a 2160p23,97 hz output resolution.

[Klaus1189]

No, not normal, I think it is a bug in Nvidia driver if I remember correctly. Since I don‘t have a Nvidia card, I cannot test but I am collecting information in a dedicated thread:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176013

Try another version of driver, which one are you using now?

[huhn]

that's a composition rate mismatch a classic issue on windows 7 and win 10 has this too with some versions and driver combinations.

you didn't have by any chance a second screen connected?

what so ever a simple work around is windows 7 overlay this mode ignores the composition rate. kodi may run without FSE optimization so the classic more real FSE is used under win 10.

for overlay to work properly you need to disable FSE.

you have 2 lines of chroma because doing NGU on 3 instead of 1 channel would meld most GPUs.

BTW your presentation queue is different between these screens.

[tp4tissue]

When the seek bar or menu is visible, the present queue changes numbers.

[tp4tissue]

@ actarusfleed

Try a different driver version.

Make sure to run the cleaner in safemode.

test, unplug second monitor

why do you have ngu chroma VH instead of luma VH ?

[tp4tissue]

Sooooo.. is Envy going to be a beefed up Android box of sorts ?

[nevcairiel]

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

Sooooo.. is Envy going to be a beefed up Android box of sorts ?

Envy is off-topic here, and there is no new information.

[thighhighs]

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

Is it normal 60Hz?

My graphic card use a 2160p23,97 hz output resolution.

Same issue with PotPlayer. Looks like movies playback don't affected at all. Display modes switcher work fine, no dropped frames or glitches and something else. At least I didn't notice anything bad during movies playback. So i think FSE still usable if is needed.

[actarusfleed]

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Try another version of driver, which one are you using now?

I'm using version 419.35. What version you suggest me to test? and where I can find old versions?

Originally Posted by huhn

you didn't have by any chance a second screen connected?

No, I've only one projector hooked up. no other display.

Originally Posted by huhn

what so ever a simple work around is windows 7 overlay this mode ignores the composition rate. kodi may run without FSE optimization so the classic more real FSE is used under win 10.

for overlay to work properly you need to disable FSE.

Yes, I disabled FSE and windowed mode works well. Composition rate line vanish.

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

Try a different driver version.

What version you suggest?

Originally Posted by tp4tissue

why do you have ngu chroma VH instead of luma VH ?

Sorry but I can undestrand you. Can you explain me better ? thank you

[ryrynz]

Originally Posted by JonnyRedHed

I'd have to check up on how to use MPC-HC with madvr, and other players, and am not sure what BE is, is this a player.

Not much to pick up on, just enable madVR in the renderer section and press play. If it is completely random as you say and MPC does it as well I think the next best step would be to place madVR into debugging mode (activate debug mode.bat) and sending the resulting desktop file to madshi. Note the time these spikes occur (use a stopwatch) so he can find the data at the right time in the rather large file that will result.

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

What version you suggest?

385.28 is legendary.

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

Sorry but I can understand you. Can you explain me better ? thank you

You have chroma set to NGU Sharp Very High, this is generally not recommended, especially when it's at the expense of Luma.
Instead you should change down (if required for extra performance) to enable NGU Sharp Very High for luma instead rather than have it set on the High setting you currently have enabled.

[Klaus1189]

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

I'm using version 419.35. What version you suggest me to test? and where I can find old versions?

Originally Posted by ryrynz

385.28 is legendary.

Agree, but he uses a RTX 2080.

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

My GPU is an NVIDIA 2080.

But that is the issue here, you need at least: 411.63 GRD 2018-09-19

See here for details:
AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

If you want to use HDR passthrough you will be out of luck for now, because newer driver versions output bogus metadata, which will last some time for Nvidia to fix.

[Klaus1189]

Type in google the driver version you want/need, you'll find the download page from Nvidia.
But even I started the dedicated thread I personally can't recommend a driver version for a RTX 2080, every newer driver version has any issues. I don't have a Nvidia anymore for this reason and I will only get one when Nvidia focuses more on HTPC users.
But to shorten things a bit, what do you want:
1.) Do you need HDR passthrough?
2.) Do you need custom refresh rates, especially for 23p mode
3.) What OS do you use? If Win10, what version like 1809?

[mzso]

Hello!
I ran into an issue with madVR. Some UT-Video formats (ULH4, UMRG, probably more) won't play when using the offical codecs when madVR is chosen as a renderer . I only get a blackscreen and either no playback (when there's an audio stream) or blackscreen during playback (when there's no audio stream). With all other renderers there's no problem.
Not sure what happens, the splitter is LAV.

If I use LAV decoder the formats that are supported by ffmpeg play normally. However that are not display only a black screen so so there's no way to play them with madVR.

[tp4tissue]

Originally Posted by mzso

Hello!
I ran into an issue with madVR. Some UT-Video formats (ULH4, UMRG, probably more) won't play when using the origi madVR is chosen as a renderer . .

Try full screen

Sometimes I had this weird bug on some videos, it will black screen on downscaling, but it works fine with upscaling.

[actarusfleed]

Originally Posted by huhn

you have 2 lines of chroma because doing NGU on 3 instead of 1 channel would meld most GPUs.

Please can you explain me better this?
Why the second line is not always NGU? Now it's Bicubic60 AR ....
There is a waay to set better second line? or it's something that Madvr choose automatically?

Originally Posted by huhn

BTW your presentation queue is different between these screens.

I don't know why it is different .... It's a problem?

Originally Posted by ryrynz

You have chroma set to NGU Sharp Very High, this is generally not recommended, especially when it's at the expense of Luma.
Instead you should change down (if required for extra performance) to enable NGU Sharp Very High for luma instead rather than have it set on the High setting you currently have enabled.

Ok now it's much clear thank you ... so Luma is much important than chroma .... the luma settings are those below?



I was thinking that those settings regards only Full HD content like old full hd blu rays ... I was thinking that luma component of a UHD blu ray don't need to be scaled if the htpc outs @ 2160p.
My main use of HTPC is to play UHD files (80%) and some other Full HD Blu ray (20%).

So luma scaling is important also with UHD files?

Can you suggest me some luma settings to start?

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Agree, but he uses a RTX 2080.



But that is the issue here, you need at least: 411.63 GRD 2018-09-19

See here for details:
AMD, Intel and Nvidia driver issues and last recommended version

If you want to use HDR passthrough you will be out of luck for now, because newer driver versions output bogus metadata, which will last some time for Nvidia to fix.

No, I don't need to send metadata. I tone map HDR using pixel shaders in Madvr. My htpc use Win 10 (I'm not able to find what version is ...)
So what is the best driver for me?

[Klaus1189]

Originally Posted by actarusfleed

No, I don't need to send metadata. I tone map HDR using pixel shaders in Madvr. My htpc use Win 10 (I'm not able to find what version is ...)
So what is the best driver for me?

Good, there is no driver for RTX 2080 which does it with correct metadata at the moment, Nvidia has to deliver one in future, hope dies last.

Since I don't own a Nvidia and cannot test, just use the newest and report back what feature doesn't work for you.

For example if you want to use custom refresh rates and you are on Win10 1809, the custom refresh artes are not stored after a reboot. But you can use CRU for it. Some use it in this forum, but not me, because I don't need custom refresh rates.
Every refresh rate (out of the box) is at about 7 ... 8 hours till one frame gets dropped/repeated.

Run "winver" to check your OS version

I think the 60Hz composition rate is also different on FSE vs. windowed. Can you test this?

[tp4tissue]

Hey guyz, why doesn't the custom mode tab show up on my laptop ? It's just not there , missing. 92.17

[actarusfleed]

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Since I don't own a Nvidia and cannot test, just use the newest and report back what feature doesn't work for you.

The problem described in my previous post (FSE > Composition rate = 60hz) is with the newest Nvidia driver (419.35).

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

For example if you want to use custom refresh rates and you are on Win10 1809, the custom refresh artes are not stored after a reboot.

Custom resolutions are not priority for me now ... but in the future my intent will be to fix also this problem ....
So to have also custom resolutions , with an RTX2080, what combination of Win10 version + Nvidia drivers Do I've to use?

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

But you can use CRU for it

What is "CRU" ?

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

Run "winver" to check your OS version

Done, thanks. My actual version is 1809 build SO 17763.379

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

I think the 60Hz composition rate is also different on FSE vs. windowed. Can you test this?

Yes reported in my previous post ... In windowed mode the composition rate is perfect related to the content reproduced.

In my previous htpc (Win10 + RTX2070) windowed mode was unusable... some glitches during playback.... so I was forced to use FSE. Someone told me that RTX series had this bug.
Now , in this new htpc with RTX 2080, I've no problem using windowed mode.