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Old 8th November 2016, 18:17   #40001  |  Link
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a greeting to all, I need your advice from experts,
I upscalare 1080p to 4K in madVR image doubling is better to use NEDI or super -xbr sharpness 150? I have a video card gtx 1070
I'd go with super-xbr. NEDI is too soft/blurry.

With that card, NNEDI3 would be possible and preferred. Chroma upscaling can be set to something lower like super-xbr. Then you can use all of your resources on image doubling (32 to 256 neurons).

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Old 8th November 2016, 18:29   #40002  |  Link
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thanks for the advice .... then in image doubling imposed NNEDI 32 neurons and how should I set chroma upscaling NNEDI 3 64 neurons and superRes 4?
Hi, for Chroma Upscaling I would recommend super-xbr 100 with SuperRes at 1 or even without it. I don't like using SuperRes in values higher than 2 because it becomes too aggressive. As always, it is a matter of preference.

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Old 8th November 2016, 21:47   #40003  |  Link
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Hi, for Chroma Upscaling I would recommend super-xbr 100 with SuperRes at 1 or even without it. I don't like using SuperRes in values higher than 2 because it becomes too aggressive. As always, it is a matter of preference.
I don't feel SR is worth it on chroma, better to just up the sharpness on whatever your using and save performance doing so in the process, which is why I settled on super-xbr 125 AR.
SR brightens/amplifies things up too much for my liking and doesn't appear to provide any truer reconstruction of the chroma. Of course I tend to watch more animated content and prefer bang for buck.

Super-xbr 100 AR SR1 vs super-xbr 125 AR.


Without SR1 in this image there's considerably less green in the text and no more bright edges but then this is scaled 800% and it's likely you wouldn't notice any difference anyway.
Chroma isn't really something you should waste a lot of resources on, it's just not worth it.

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Old 8th November 2016, 22:37   #40004  |  Link
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madshi usually doesn't like vendor-specific solutions, but with Microsoft dragging their feet with a generic thing, maybe he might make an exception.
It seems to be a combination of NvAPI extensions to signal metadata, and the new (or rather, re-defined) fp16 surfaces for floating point HDR video samples (as defined by Microsoft, so that part is cross-vendor, hopefully).

Definitely looking forward to proper HDR pass-through in 2017.
If only HDMI 2.0 would have allowed for 4K, 444, 10-bit. When do we get a new one that does that?
Thank you.

Feels like companies should abandon HDMI, move to DP as it can already do way more
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Old 8th November 2016, 23:50   #40005  |  Link
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@madshi: Do you plan, is it possible to optimize hue preserve option for HDR content? High quality option looks way better, but tanks performance. With some bare bone options it already hitting the 16ms mark. https://i.imgbox.com/rVty1gQZ.png I'm just curious, HDR content is probably still not something to invest much time.
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may try a displaycal smpte 2084 3D LUT.

i don't know what settings are close to preserve hue. maybe render intent: preserve saturation.
it should be faster and "better" in general quality.
Usually I would leave rendering intent at colorimetric for best results (despite colorimetric normally clipping, there's always HDR tonemapping for BT.2084).
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Old 9th November 2016, 01:15   #40006  |  Link
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I don't feel SR is worth it on chroma, better to just up the sharpness on whatever your using and save performance doing so in the process, which is why I settled on super-xbr 125 AR.
SR brightens/amplifies things up too much for my liking and doesn't appear to provide any truer reconstruction of the chroma. Of course I tend to watch more animated content and prefer bang for buck.

Super-xbr 100 AR SR1 vs super-xbr 125 AR.


Without SR1 in this image there's considerably less green in the text and no more bright edges but then this is scaled 800% and it's likely you wouldn't notice any difference anyway.
Chroma isn't really something you should waste a lot of resources on, it's just not worth it.
Thanks for pointing it out. I can clearly see the difference.
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Old 9th November 2016, 02:16   #40007  |  Link
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I see

Does this help in any way?



EDIt:::

Seems those things are very different for different videos, but I'm still figuring out what they do exactly.


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Old 9th November 2016, 09:00   #40009  |  Link
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or links... and that there is nothing you can do about only the developer.
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Old 9th November 2016, 11:56   #40010  |  Link
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I want to leave news here, I have just discovered that reclock has gone open source!!! Now we can hope for a 64 bits version.

There is just a new verison. 1.9.0.0 I got excited when I read a thread that said ReClock GPL'ed Sources but then I realized it was dated at 2010.

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I want to leave news here, I have just discovered that reclock has gone open source!!! Now we can hope for a 64 bits version.
Great news!
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Sorry Betroz, I was wrong

There is a new version only.
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just leave all activated. using external or internal lavfilter doesn't really matter.
so i enable everything in both source and transform filter?
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Old 9th November 2016, 17:26   #40014  |  Link
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I'd go with super-xbr. NEDI is too soft/blurry.

With that card, NNEDI3 would be possible and preferred. Chroma upscaling can be set to something lower like super-xbr. Then you can use all of your resources on image doubling (32 to 256 neurons).
With SR and enhance details enabled NEDI does a better job at it keeping aliasing and ringing down. SuperXBR-AR is very good though.
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Old 9th November 2016, 19:35   #40015  |  Link
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I'm really liking ReconSoft with SR 1. Looks much better than any other method, especially with compressed videos.

I wonder if NG1 is a type of bilateral or Recon method.
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I wonder if NG1 is a type of bilateral or Recon method.
I think NG1 is an image doubling algorithm, not a chroma upscaler. IIRC Shiandow was talking about a new experimental chroma upscaler a few pages ago though.
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Chroma upscaling is doubling, though, isn't it? (4:2:0 -> 4:4:4)
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Chroma upscaling is doubling, though, isn't it? (4:2:0 -> 4:4:4)
Yes, but an algorithm that can be used for image doubling wouldn't be able to use bilateral or reconstruction type methods. A version specialized for chroma upscaling might, but not the version showed off by madshi.
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so i enable everything in both source and transform filter?
yes and disable dxva native choice copyback or none (i prefer software.) and you should fine.
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Old 9th November 2016, 21:07   #40020  |  Link
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Hi there,

right now a little off topic from madshis new algo, but here's a little update on my automatic screen masking topic. Madvr is abolute mad awesome! Quite everything I need is already there and right before my eyes. You can easily use profile scripts to detect AR and switch profiles accordingly. There is an option "command line to execute when this profile is activated". Unfortunately there seems to be an issue with this option. I couldn't get a simple command to be executed (e. g. curl command for http get). I also found an old bug ticket: http://bugs.madshi.net/view.php?id=210 which hasn't been resolved. If anyone has experienced the same, do you have a workaround?

@madshi: It would be really awesome if you could have a look into this issue.

greeting,

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