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31st May 2009, 10:26 | #441 | Link |
BluRay Maniac
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Well VobSub format is usless for DVD Authoring, because none of DVD Authoring apps not suport it, we allredy talk about it, and only software (Subtitle Creator) which can convert bettwen SUP<->VobSub not work like should. btw ConvertXtoDVD is not DVD Authoring tool just like fast and easy bad quality MPEG2 Transocder
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31st May 2009, 12:36 | #442 | Link | |
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Besides, your definition of a DVD authoring tool is worthy of discussion to say the least. I'm not gonna put a gloss on ConvertXtoDVD as I mentioned its shortcomings already, but calling it a MPG2 transcoder is simply bollocks (for a couple of reasons). Indeed, a real authoring tool typically doesn't even have an internal video encoder as it's just responsible for creating a valid DVD structure from video/audio/subtitle streams etc. Anyway, I don't really get the intention of your posting, as I already said I'd look into implementing SUP/IFO support. If at all, pointless postings like this waste my time and surely don't motivate me to implement new stuff. |
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31st May 2009, 23:15 | #443 | Link | |
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Please don't get me wrong, really appreciate your effort and work, this is a great application for processing subtitles, and really would be good to get another very useful thing if it is technically possible. Not just for me, here on the forum a lot of people who know what i am talking about
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1st June 2009, 01:06 | #444 | Link |
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Hello Ox,
Please don't get bullish...relax...we all appreciate your program tremendously. Any self-respecting member here use HCenc & Muxman combo which requires the sup format. So far we have to go around in circles to create that... So, take your time, we patiently await thy implementation. TIA |
1st June 2009, 10:29 | #446 | Link |
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Guys, I already said I'd look into it. There's no need to convince me after posting #439.
Then again, the IFO format is pretty complex and although I only need to fill out a few fields, it will be some kind of a trial and error game to figure out which application relies on which fields when importing SUP/IFO. IMHO, it was a really bad idea to use IFO just for the palette and frame size/rate info and it's really beyond me why a program that imports SUP/IFO doesn't also import SUB/IDX where the same information is stored in a text file. |
1st June 2009, 18:55 | #449 | Link |
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But how useful would exporting an ifo be?
Outside of DVDSubEdit I don't know of any use for such an ifo and DVDSubEdit could just as well work with an authored DVD. One of the two PGCEdit color files I linked to last week would be much more useful in every situation I can think of. I'm not saying ifo output wouldn't be nice eventually. I'm just trying to justify the time it would take to do it. |
1st June 2009, 19:32 | #451 | Link | |
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DVDSubedit only gets the colors from ifo, nothing more. Er I guess vobsub and vsrip does make use of fps in the ifo but vobsub is what everyone is trying to avoid having to mess with. BTW pgcedit plans on adding color input from idx but there is a bug with vobsub that can't be worked around Last edited by turbojet; 1st June 2009 at 19:37. |
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1st June 2009, 20:31 | #452 | Link | ||
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It would be damn brainless to do so, but I can't fix other tools. Quote:
Anyway: if I'll support SUP, it'll be SUP/IFO. BDSup2Sub won't export any incomplete crap or define new incompatible formats. |
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1st June 2009, 20:44 | #453 | Link | |
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Well I edited it that vobsub can use the fps which can easily be altered but beyond that how useful is it really?
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My intentions are to find out how useful that ifo file really is. So far I can't see any real use for it. If it stays that way is there any reason to spend time on coding something to output it? Last edited by turbojet; 1st June 2009 at 20:54. |
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3rd June 2009, 19:34 | #455 | Link |
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I just want to add that using BDSup2Sub for DVD2AVCHD / DVD2Blu-ray has made a lot of users happy.
Thank you so much for what you've created. My tools use mencoder to extract DVD subtitles and they all work just fine in AVCHD / Blu-ray after processed with BDSup2Sub after the changes you made in your program (since 3.5.6). Thank you once again! Dean |
4th June 2009, 17:23 | #456 | Link |
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Thanks, you're welcome
I especially appreciate this from a fellow coder. Although I never actually used multiAVCHD (yet), it sure looks pretty impressive. Dunno if you're aware of it, but there even was a small review (2/3 of a page actually) of it in the last issue of the very popular German PC mag "c't". Anyway, unfortunately progress on BDSup2Sub slowed down quite a bit lately due to different reasons. While I already hacked in large parts of the functionality needed for SUP/IFO reading and writing, I don't think I will finish it before mid/end of next week. |
4th June 2009, 19:52 | #457 | Link |
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Few weeks is plenty quick enough, it's actually very quick reaction time which I've always appreciated from you, But I'm not really sure how pgcedit would deal with an ifo that points to no video but I guess we'll see. If it does handle it ok that's great, if it doesn't are you planning on including an output for pgcedit palette file?
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4th June 2009, 20:21 | #458 | Link |
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Implementing this is a piece of cake. It'll be more work to add the command line option and change the GUI. Still, it's not really a high priority topic on my list, so probably I'll release a version with SUP/IFO import/export and then later I might add the palette file.
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5th June 2009, 21:19 | #459 | Link |
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Tho my SO is hearing-impaired, she is not deaf, and I hear everything, so I like to edit SDH subs. But I'm finding this difficult to do and wonder if there's an easier way:
1. Click right-arrow upper right, get ST to edit 2. Click "Exclude from export", or Select Rectangle and Erase, and then click "Save Changes" 3. Move mouse upper right and click right arrow (which disconcertingly says "Lose changes and skip to next" in pop-up) There's an awful lot of mouse-moving and clicking and I wonder if there is any easier way or if there are any hot keys I don't know about. Thanks... P.S. Example of something that would help--when you click "Save Changes" go to next frame automatically. |
6th June 2009, 22:51 | #460 | Link |
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I agree, all the mouse moving makes it not so easy to edit a .sup. Going to the next frame after saving changes would be an improvement.
And I guess if you just delete images, it wouldn't be necessary to save changes after every delete at all. I can understand that edits of the images are hard to cache, but commiting deletes can be postponed to a later time I suppose? If so, it would be nice to jump to the next frame after hitting the delete button. And as soon as real editing is done, you must save your changes after every edit. |
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