Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion.

Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules.

 

Go Back   Doom9's Forum > Hardware & Software > Software players

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 29th July 2018, 14:33   #51921  |  Link
Zaoshi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 14
My render queue fails to fill up and sometimes I get frame drops (even though OSD reports low render times), however in FSE mode there are no frame drops and queue is full (although it reports significantly higher render time).
I heard this is an issue with Windows 10 version 1803. I tried searching this thread but failed to find any fix. Perhaps anyone remembers what it is, assuming it exists?

Last edited by Zaoshi; 29th July 2018 at 14:47.
Zaoshi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2018, 17:07   #51922  |  Link
Vincent Vega
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: the tiny bubble of Creation
Posts: 185
its weird i just noticed dx11 exclusive fullscreen no longer works here.
OSD says dx11 windowed despite the setting to exclusive.
and i did not change a thing, no new software or settings, or drivers.
must of been another shitty win10 weekly update or something.

does anyone else have this issue?

Last edited by Vincent Vega; 29th July 2018 at 17:10.
Vincent Vega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2018, 17:51   #51923  |  Link
Warner306
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 905
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaoshi View Post
My render queue fails to fill up and sometimes I get frame drops (even though OSD reports low render times), however in FSE mode there are no frame drops and queue is full (although it reports significantly higher render time).
I heard this is an issue with Windows 10 version 1803. I tried searching this thread but failed to find any fix. Perhaps anyone remembers what it is, assuming it exists?
The rendering times are artificially low in windowed mode after the Windows 1803 update. Only FSE is reporting the correct rendering times. A couple have had trouble filling the present queue when using NGU.
Warner306 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2018, 17:53   #51924  |  Link
Warner306
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 905
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Vega View Post
its weird i just noticed dx11 exclusive fullscreen no longer works here.
OSD says dx11 windowed despite the setting to exclusive.
and i did not change a thing, no new software or settings, or drivers.
must of been another shitty win10 weekly update or something.

does anyone else have this issue?
It is not uncommon. It happens all the time. Not all systems work well with fullscreen exclusive mode in Windows 10. Try another media player. Updates and drivers can change things.
Warner306 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2018, 18:55   #51925  |  Link
Vincent Vega
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: the tiny bubble of Creation
Posts: 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warner306 View Post
It is not uncommon. It happens all the time. Not all systems work well with fullscreen exclusive mode in Windows 10. Try another media player. Updates and drivers can change things.
just rebooted pc and problem went away, at least for now -)
next time will try to just restart gpu driver with devmanview.
Vincent Vega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th July 2018, 23:48   #51926  |  Link
ryrynz
Registered User
 
ryrynz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,934
Please don't quote in entirety a post directly above yours it's pointless.
ryrynz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 07:54   #51927  |  Link
madjock
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 77
To be honest this whole thread seems to be pointless now.

As some of us are aware there is a thread in the AVS forum with a group working with test builds and Projectors.

For me personally, it now looks a little clique who are obsessed about certain frames of certain films and it seems to be stuck in a loop.

Nothing is spoke about in this thread other than the usual culprits of 23.976 or trying to get 12 Bit.

Just my thoughts obviously, but it seems to have gone quite stale.
madjock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 08:28   #51928  |  Link
LigH
German doom9/Gleitz SuMo
 
LigH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Germany, rural Altmark
Posts: 5,680
I agree; "advanced" issues with HDR and HBD and frame rate fine tuning, affecting only a part of the users, would have deserved a separate thread a lot earlier. Almost 52,000 replies now...
__________________

New German Gleitz board
MediaFire: x264 | x265 | VPx | AOM | Xvid
LigH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 12:55   #51929  |  Link
Vincent Vega
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: the tiny bubble of Creation
Posts: 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryrynz View Post
Please don't quote in entirety a post directly above yours it's pointless.
good catch lil man, and welcome to doom9 forum!

i checked CP menu again and there doesnt seem to be an option to be notified if someone quoted your post. its either notify of all replies or dont notify at all. perhaps webmaster could consider to do something about it. in most other forums quoting is a way to attract the quoted user's attention by this specific kind of event.

@ryrynz
dont push your luck though with this sort of trolling. not everyone around here is as open-minded and forgiving as me.
Vincent Vega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 12:58   #51930  |  Link
ryrynz
Registered User
 
ryrynz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,934
Ain't trolling bro, I suggest you read up on what that actually is and understand how it easily doesn't apply here in particular this situation.
Nobody needs to be notified, everyone here is browing this forum on a near daily anyway.. so don't play that card.
It's a terrible waste of space and on other forums mods will tend to delete such posts.. use your head, it's not smart.
Maybe I should quote your entire post just so you know I'm talking to you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by madjock View Post
Just my thoughts obviously, but it seems to have gone quite stale.
Yeah, it's turned towards trouble shooting mostly. The software is quite mature and the development talk is on AVS right now.

Last edited by ryrynz; 30th July 2018 at 13:06.
ryrynz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 13:07   #51931  |  Link
mclingo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 670
chaps, , by all means quote but if its quite a long post just delete out the main body of text, this way the quoted knows they are the target of the response and the thread doesnt get junked up.
mclingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 22:24   #51932  |  Link
Asmodian
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 3,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Vega View Post
dont push your luck though with this sort of trolling. not everyone around here is as open-minded and forgiving as me.
It really is quite pointless here, there aren't any "you have been quoted" notifications or anything. If you are replying to the last post please just start typing in the quick reply without hitting quote. It really is more pleasant and less redundant to read.

If you want to type inline replies to individual points feel free to quote those points but there is no need to quote entire posts if you are replying to them as a whole (especially annoying when there are images in the quoted post).

I am not sure why you responded to this simple request with such hostility.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LigH View Post
I agree; "advanced" issues with HDR and HBD and frame rate fine tuning, affecting only a part of the users, would have deserved a separate thread a lot earlier.
What should we be discussing in this thread? This is supposed to be madVR development and issues, what is there to figure out except HDR, custom resolutions, and high bit depth support? What topic is the discussion around these issues obscuring?

I am not opposed to a seperate thread for HDR, custom resolutions, and high bit depth support, if people would use it, but it doesn't seem off topic here either.
__________________
madVR options explained

Last edited by Asmodian; 30th July 2018 at 22:55.
Asmodian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th July 2018, 23:34   #51933  |  Link
jkauff
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Akron, OH in the U.S.A.
Posts: 415
We should keep it all in this thread, so madshi can find us whenever he comes back.
jkauff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 04:13   #51934  |  Link
ryrynz
Registered User
 
ryrynz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 2,934
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I am not opposed to a seperate thread for HDR, custom resolutions, and high bit depth support, if people would use it, but it doesn't seem off topic here either.
This thread has always been covering all manner of topics not directly related to MadVR usage, there's just not really much in the way of discussion outside of issues during MadVR down time to keep many interested. We've covered so much over the years, no need to trend old ground until new paths are laid, things are okay as they are IMO.

Last edited by ryrynz; 31st July 2018 at 13:19.
ryrynz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 08:57   #51935  |  Link
madjock
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 77
A new HDR thread would not be much of a success I think.

Ironically it is the main use for me for madVR, but everyone either said it is a work in progress, and to be honest since there are so many variables with nit ratings of different films, displays, equipment and the likes, they are very hard questions to answer.

One has only to look at the AVS thread to see there may never be a good outcome or rather a use this for all films, and even with it now going to a 3 option scenario, there are still issues, so I actually think I was better off being more ignorant, as like them I seem to think things look off sometimes, or wonder what colours I should be seeing, when I never thought too much about it before.
madjock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 09:20   #51936  |  Link
strumf666
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 94
Having specific threads for let's say development, hdr, 12 bit, known issues, ... would make finding an answer a lot easier, especially if there were a faq or table of content with links in the first posts. It wouldn't solve everything, because there are always people that don't bother to read even one post above and maintaining those threads would also be more work, but for most it would probably be helpful.
strumf666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 09:49   #51937  |  Link
Asmodian
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 3,278
Quote:
Originally Posted by madjock View Post
I actually think I was better off being more ignorant, as like them I seem to think things look off sometimes, or wonder what colours I should be seeing, when I never thought too much about it before.
So true. Once you start down that path displays will never be the same again.
__________________
madVR options explained
Asmodian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 10:32   #51938  |  Link
madjock
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by strumf666 View Post
Having specific threads for let's say development, hdr, 12 bit, known issues, ...
Yeah you could be right, but then you end up with people asking the wrong questions in the wrong thread.

The trouble with HDR is as I said earlier, different equipment and the likes, so unlike the party line of it is how you like it, or whatever looks best to you, the default settings will work for the majority, but depending on your preference for NIT levels, or what model of TV you have, or what film it is, the whole situation is endless.

I started looking at 4k TVs, but after a couple of days I realised I could not afford what was classed as a decent one, so I think the more you know the less well off you are.

Unlike certain settings for Anime for example, the whole HDR to SDR seems to be a minefield, I understand why they are doing it on another forum now with a limited selection of people giving their thoughts, but since it is mostly based on projectors I am unsure if there will be much more support other than that thread, as it again will all be down to personal choice and equipment again.
madjock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 10:42   #51939  |  Link
hannes69
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by strumf666 View Post
Having specific threads for let's say development, hdr, 12 bit, known issues, ... would make finding an answer a lot easier, especially if there were a faq or table of content with links in the first posts.
Yes
I´m following this thread for many years now, it is a great thread, definitely, but the structure could be improved in my opinion. The all-in-one concept is sometimes really annoying, especially when:
- always the same questions again and again
- people searching for personal help - the solution is often enough of no use for anyone else
- general HTPC / computer stuff like "the best GPU", how big has my PSU to be, what CPU do I need...
- mixing up development view with end-user view
- mixing of stable / beta / experimental stuff

Many of these "annoyances" could be overcome at least partially with an alternative thread structure, like subthreads:

- FAQ: answers many of these "same questions over and over again"
- help: people can ask here for personal help, advanced users can do this "job"
- hardware section with subsections: discussing new hardware on the market, performance, price, experiences,...
- driver section: discussion room for "new driver is released", "driver x has these errors/flaws/faults", "driver y has this bug fixed", "driver z is my favorite driver"
- feature request: "madVR should contain..."
- research & development: discussing white papers, studies, recent approaches, alternatives, computer algorithms, neuronal networks,...
- test area: asking people for testing new features and deliver feedback
- vote section: making votes when making decisions for a majority of the community

....


Maybe not all of these sections are needed, maybe there are other, maybe they could be labeled in another way, but it should be useful.
Some guy only interested in help for a personal problem like "my blacks crush, why is that?" would not have to deal with active development of a new scaling algorithm. And the rest of the community outside of the help section would not have to deal with this guy
And another experienced / advanced guy is maybe only interested in the "test area", "research & development" and "feature requests" and doesn´t want to deal with the "plain rest".

The fact of 50000+ posts in this thread should be an indication for such a splitting

Not being able to explain things in a short manner, see above, I try to sum it up:
"This thread needs some structure"

Last edited by hannes69; 31st July 2018 at 10:45.
hannes69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st July 2018, 10:52   #51940  |  Link
chros
Registered User
 
chros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,156
I agree with those who wants separate threads for different stuff: all you have to do is just create them and instruct newcomers to use them
__________________
Ryzen 5 2600,Asus Prime b450-Plus,16GB,MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB(v385.28),Win10 LTSB 1607,MPC-BEx64+LAV+MadVR,Yamaha RX-A870,LG 55LD650(1080p@23/24/50/59/60Hz)
chros is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:03.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.