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Old 21st January 2017, 17:41   #42121  |  Link
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Anyone here got a Kaby Lake iGPU and could test NGU Low + Bicubic AR 60 on 1080p to 2160p?
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From what I hear Intel's drivers don't even support Kaby Lake iGPUs yet, or at least some of them.
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Old 21st January 2017, 21:44   #42122  |  Link
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From what I hear Intel's drivers don't even support Kaby Lake iGPUs yet, or at least some of them.
Nope version 15.45 for Windows supports 620. Which is the one Im interested in.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 11:56   #42123  |  Link
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I bought a new card Nvidia 1060 6GB, the card was defective (windows restored driver regularly), I RMA'd the card and now got it back. Now that I could test the card i have a lot of issues:

1. A lot of frame drops/repeats when using the HDMI audio device per Direct Sound. Using the HDMI audio device without Direct Sound results in just normal repeats/drops because of not exact Hz of the TV to the video, but in this mode only some Audio Formats work (DTS + HD don't work = AVR switches all the time the decoding on/off).

2. Even stranger: When starting playback in MadVR the system clock gets slow (about 10 seconds too slow per minute). Works perfectly without.

So my current choice is between no visible frame repeats/drops with only a few audio formats and all audio formats with massive frame repeats/drops regularly.

My question is: Is it possible that this is not normal and the card is still defective and courses all the issues and I should it RMA again?

I have no problems with my old ATI card (that card can't do HD Audio).
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Old 22nd January 2017, 12:32   #42124  |  Link
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what is "without" direct audio?

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can you clearify that?
what is 10 sec to slow minute. this doesn't make any sense.

at your "Question".
of cause this has to work.
but what is your OS with version please? you can find the version under "system information"

can you make a screen of the OSD with the problem?
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Old 22nd January 2017, 12:34   #42125  |  Link
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I bought a new card Nvidia 1060 6GB, the card was defective (windows restored driver regularly), I RMA'd the card and now got it back. Now that I could test the card i have a lot of issues
For what it's worth, I have a GTX 1060 6GB and can't reproduce your problems on my system. I assume you're also using the latest version of LAV filters. What player(s) are you using?
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Old 22nd January 2017, 12:51   #42126  |  Link
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Too slow clock means: a minute takes about 1:10 seconds = the system clock is going to slow and the system time is getting behind more and more. As soon as i stop the playback the system clock works normally again, of course the system time has to be corrected then since the clock is minutes behind now after a movie/episode.

I have for each audio connection 2 devices: 1 named: DirectSound: device name and 1 named just: device name ... the one with direct sound in the name works with all audio formats, but results in frame drops/repeats and the other only a few audio formats like DD work but no unusual frame drops/repeats.

I tried multiple drivers versions, my default player is Zoomplayer and tried to exclude a player issue MPC-HC x64 on Windows 7 x64 SP1. No difference, all issues are the same regardless of the used Player.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 16:15   #42127  |  Link
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I've never heard of a media player affecting the system clock.

For the audio issues, the most recent builds of MPC-HC have a new internal audio renderer that uses WASAPI to bypass the Direct Sound mixer. If you want, it can be set to Exclusive mode so that nothing else can use the audio system while MPC-HC is running. You might want to try it to see if Direct Sound is the source of the audio problem.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 16:23   #42128  |  Link
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@Prinz, Google this:

heavy load causes pc clock to lose time

lots of answers for your clock issue... Google is your friend... And not a madVR issue.

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Old 22nd January 2017, 16:47   #42129  |  Link
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I highly doubt that. The load is not nearly heavy it's low (card still at zero fan) and with my ancient ATI 2600 card has no problems with the same settings. I can set everything to as low as possible (bilinear) and it changes nothing. And CPU hasn't changed between the cards and is also not under heavy load.

Also I had driver restores once a day now again, so I think the card is still broken and I will have to return it again.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 20:11   #42130  |  Link
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Are you sure it's the graphics card? The odds of getting 2 cards with the same issue are slim.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 21:29   #42131  |  Link
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Where did Image Doubling go? I just did a fresh format and re-install of Windows 10 and after installing the latest madVR, the settings do not include Image Doubling.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 21:41   #42132  |  Link
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Are you sure it's the graphics card? The odds of getting 2 cards with the same issue are slim.
Yeah, it's just this 1 card (not 2 cards) that has the issue. My old ATI card works fine.
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Where did Image Doubling go? I just did a fresh format and re-install of Windows 10 and after installing the latest madVR, the settings do not include Image Doubling.
It's now under image upscaling.
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Old 22nd January 2017, 22:39   #42134  |  Link
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For the audio issues, the most recent builds of MPC-HC have a new internal audio renderer that uses WASAPI to bypass the Direct Sound mixer. If you want, it can be set to Exclusive mode so that nothing else can use the audio system while MPC-HC is running. You might want to try it to see if Direct Sound is the source of the audio problem.
Yeah with this renderer in exclusive mode it works fine, no unusual frame drops/repeats and all audio formats work too. Still the system clock is slow and i can't use my default player. Also this confirms there is a strange issue with DirectSound.
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It's now under image upscaling.
Its now VERY CONFUSING how to adjust these settings. I am going back to previous madVR because these new changes are like a nightmare to understand.
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Its now VERY CONFUSING how to adjust these settings. I am going back to previous madVR because these new changes are like a nightmare to understand.
It's easier for me to understand. What's confusing?

There's no reason to be afraid of change.

The new settings will keep you from wasting resources on chroma doubling or downscaling after doubling.

Use the "let madVR decide" options for everything but luma quality and be pleasantly surprised by how much performance you save.

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Yeah with this renderer in exclusive mode it works fine, no unusual frame drops/repeats and all audio formats work too. Still the system clock is slow and i can't use my default player. Also this confirms there is a strange issue with DirectSound.
As QBhd mentioned, a Google search will turn up a multitude of things that can affect the system clock. I guess you'll need to investigate further (especially if you've upgraded or added any programs recently).

I use JRiver MC 22 as well as MPC-HC. Lead ZoomPlayer developer Blight seems to be on a path to turn ZP into a JRiver-like media center, so maybe he would be open to creating a better audio renderer within ZP to compete with JRiver's excellent audio capabilities. Wouldn't hurt to ask.
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Use the "let madVR decide" options for everything but luma quality and be pleasantly surprised by how much performance you save.
This is not true, you can save even more performance by choosing exactly which algorithm you want for each operation, and also get better image quality for your taste.

You also have more settings for image doubling in previous versions (like disabling image quadrupling to save performance, or choose another algorithm for that, decide for which scaling factor it will be used without profiles, etc.).

v0.91.1 is the last good version for me and the settings are perfectly clear and not redundant in this version. v0.91.5 is a test version that adds even more confusion.

Just my opinion.

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4K 10-bit file playback is broken for me for (viewing at 23Hz). After a little while, all queues are emptying and playback is seeing lots of dropped frames (even though rendering stats stay below 20ms). nVidia power settings are already at adaptive (also tried max power), so I don't believe that's the issue (also rendering stats don't change when this happens). I am at madVR v0.91.5. Any ideas?
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Old 23rd January 2017, 06:17   #42140  |  Link
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Somehow, the new NGU 4x + show comic like effect on very low-res videos, not as good as NGU 2x to me. SuperXBR quadrupling with sharpness 100 looks better in that case.

Of course very low-res videos, as vcd eras, is quite full of artefacts. Strange thing is, even NNEDI3 64 + 32 quadrupling looks blocky on these materials, not as visually pleasant as SuperXBR.

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