FairUse 2.6 is out

UMP · 29th August 2003, 01:24

BTW, FU now has its homepage (I know it's poorly designed, but I'm definitly not a good web designer).

http://www.fairusewizard.com

See the history for full change log.

ump

edit by Wilbert & foxyshadis:
version 2.6 is available!

instructions:
Don't forget to install the Light Edition version first (it has the 700 MB restriction). (Older full version: Overwrite FU.exe with this one: FairUse 2.5)
FairUse 2.6 - src (of LE version)

RathO · 31st August 2003, 00:47

Hey UMP, i saw the screenshots from your website, reminds me tha good old days! And dont worry about the website design, since its pretty the same as the original one.

I saw multiple thread announcing new version, should you stick to one thread? (just askin...)

Keep up the good work!

Regards dude!

Ookami · 1st September 2003, 20:32

Hello.

Thanks for your work.

Are you still using fu2k's algorithm that aims to model how the human eye perceives image distortion or has it been thrown out completly?

BTW, as for your resizer stuff, IIRC, mpeg2avi from PX3 is quite optimized and DVDx too, maybe there you can find some optimized resizing routines?!

Cheers,

Mijo.

UMP · 4th September 2003, 18:03

Hi,

I'll have a look at these when I'm back from holidays, in a few days.

Thanks,

ump

int 21h · 4th September 2003, 18:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Ookami
...Are you still using fu2k's algorithm that aims to model how the human eye perceives image distortion or has it been thrown out completly?...

This only applied to how DivX 3 was used in cross-cutting AFAIK.

Ookami · 6th September 2003, 12:15

Quote:

Originally posted by int 21h
This only applied to how DivX 3 was used in cross-cutting AFAIK.

Thanks for your answer.

Hmmm... Couldn't it be used, just like in the original version, just now with Xvid instead of Divx 3.11? I've tried FU Xvid with one clip and I think (didn't had the time to test it), that FairUse would make a better looking clip with the Divx3 cross-cutting multiple encoding feature.

Somehow, I've always found this feature the most interesting, if I would be a programmer I would surely fiddle with FairUse, altough in the ideal case the codec should make this job (n-pass etc.).

BTW, still playing the Star Wars online game?

Cheers,

Mijo.

int 21h · 6th September 2003, 17:11

Still playing occassionally

I did look into the resize stuff of FU, but unfortunately, I don't have a deep enough background involving the code and manipulating the video itself to know how to adapt another program's resizer to FU.

The cross-cutting stuff was made because DivX 3 didn't have the facilities to provide the proper quality control. However, it is most definitely the codec's responsibility to provide this.

UMP · 7th September 2003, 15:30

fu2k's algorithm was used to determine image difference for use with the crosscutter, and has been removed.

Using FU with XVID and cross-cutting would be very slow, since for the crosscutter to be effective it would need at least 3 or 4 encodings. IMHO, using 2-pass XVID is faster and should give optimal bitrate repartition.

ump

UMP · 9th September 2003, 16:01

Here is a minor update bringing DivX 5.1 support.

http://fairuse.free.fr

mikegun · 11th September 2003, 10:20

hi,

great to see that FU is back. I used this fantastic tool from the beginning and forgot about it since having a dvd burner.
now that mpeg4 devices are bginning to do what they are supposed to
I'm thinking of doing mpeg4 again.
It's sad that you have t post in the general forum, should have sort of his own ...

regards,

mikegun

mx3001 · 11th September 2003, 13:56

I totally agree with mikegun. Great that FU is under development again, thanks.
I wonder why Doom9 never mentioned it in his news, even FU had it's own forum those days and afaik Doom9 is looking for encoding tools with easy GUI: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50339

UMP · 12th September 2003, 12:45

Was just wondering what feature people would like to see in the next FU release ? This post doesn't mean every request will be implemented, but I'd like to know...

Thanks,

ump

mikegun · 12th September 2003, 12:52

hi ump,

ok, here we go.
there is one feature I'd like to have: encode closed captions into the video (sorry for my poor english, I hope you understand what I mean).

I can not encode to 720 resolution. at least I haven't seen this possibilty so far. is this true ?

apart from this FU is perfect for me.

regards,

mikegun

Zhnujm · 12th September 2003, 13:11

AVI/AVS source would be nice.

UMP · 12th September 2003, 13:18

Quote:

Originally posted by mikegun

encode closed captions into the video.

I can not encode to 720 resolution.

Does "closed captions" mean subtitles ? If so, FU can do it in the "select range" dialog : http://fairuse.free.fr/images/index.3.jpg

About encoding at 720, you should choose the max resolution in the "resize screen" : http://fairuse.free.fr/images/index.4.jpg

Please note you might need to uncheck the "show only preferred resolution" checkbox.

ump

UMP · 12th September 2003, 13:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Zhnujm
AVI/AVS source would be nice.

What would such an option be useful for ?

mikegun · 12th September 2003, 13:52

Quote:

Originally posted by UMP
Does "closed captions" mean subtitles ? If so, FU can do it in the "select range" dialog : http://fairuse.free.fr/images/index.3.jpg

About encoding at 720, you should choose the max resolution in the "resize screen" : http://fairuse.free.fr/images/index.4.jpg

Please note you might need to uncheck the "show only preferred resolution" checkbox.

ump

closed captions are sort of subtitles. they are only displayed if you have a CC decoder (built in in most us tv-sets).
they are afaik only on rc1 dvds. you can't select them like you would
select subtitles (via dvd-player remote control). I think I already tried one of these dvds and I couldn't select them like you described.
but I'll check this again. maybe I made a mistake ...

regards,

mikegun

Zhnujm · 12th September 2003, 17:14

Quote:

Originally posted by UMP
What would such an option be useful for ?

With supporting Avisynth you would open it to every possible type of Source file.
Especially my DVB captures...

UMP · 12th September 2003, 18:11

Well, I understand better

Anyway, for what I understand of the FU internal architecture, this would not be an easy thing to do, so I think GK would be a better way to transcode DVB captures.

ump

UMP · 13th September 2003, 11:40

Quote:

Originally posted by int 21h
I did look into the resize stuff of FU, but unfortunately, I don't have a deep enough background involving the code and manipulating the video itself to know how to adapt another program's resizer to FU.

As far as I understand the resizing code, one frame is splitted into 3 planes (1 luma and 2 chroma) per field. Before resizing, each plane is reconstructed from its two fields (only if needed), then a filter (?) that was computed during initialization is applied to the frame in :

void ResizePlane::_ResizeX(const unsigned char *src, unsigned char *dst)

and

void ResizePlane::_ResizeY(const unsigned char *src, unsigned srcStep, unsigned char *dst, unsigned dstStep)

I found some MMX code in the VDub sources that looks somewhat similar :

long resize_table_row_MMX(Pixel *out, Pixel *in, int *filter, int filter_width, PixDim w, long accum, long frac)

and

long resize_table_col_MMX(Pixel *out, Pixel **in_table, int *filter, int filter_width, PixDim w, long frac)

and I'm trying to figure out how provide the right params to this. Not that easy since I don't know assembly

ump

29th August 2003, 01:24	#1 \| Link
UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	FairUse 2.6 is out BTW, FU now has its homepage (I know it's poorly designed, but I'm definitly not a good web designer). http://www.fairusewizard.com See the history for full change log. ump edit by Wilbert & foxyshadis: version 2.6 is available! instructions: Don't forget to install the Light Edition version first (it has the 700 MB restriction). (Older full version: Overwrite FU.exe with this one: FairUse 2.5) FairUse 2.6 - src (of LE version) Last edited by foxyshadis; 9th April 2007 at 20:50.

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RathO tha Canadian Soldier Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 216	Can't wait anymore... Hey UMP, i saw the screenshots from your website, reminds me tha good old days! And dont worry about the website design, since its pretty the same as the original one. I saw multiple thread announcing new version, should you stick to one thread? (just askin...) Keep up the good work! Regards dude! __________________ Sly tHE RathO "Pour le meilleur ou jusqu'a temps que je m'ecoeure!"

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Ookami Xe-Rotaredom Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Croatia Posts: 1,029	Hello. Thanks for your work. Are you still using fu2k's algorithm that aims to model how the human eye perceives image distortion or has it been thrown out completly? BTW, as for your resizer stuff, IIRC, mpeg2avi from PX3 is quite optimized and DVDx too, maybe there you can find some optimized resizing routines?! Cheers, Mijo. __________________ "Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible."

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UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	FU 0.35.6 is out Here is a minor update bringing DivX 5.1 support. http://fairuse.free.fr

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mikegun one inch man Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 263	hi, great to see that FU is back. I used this fantastic tool from the beginning and forgot about it since having a dvd burner. now that mpeg4 devices are bginning to do what they are supposed to I'm thinking of doing mpeg4 again. It's sad that you have t post in the general forum, should have sort of his own ... regards, mikegun __________________ - free speech for the dumb -

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UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	Hi, I'll have a look at these when I'm back from holidays, in a few days. Thanks, ump

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int 21h Still Laughing Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Around Posts: 1,312	Still playing occassionally I did look into the resize stuff of FU, but unfortunately, I don't have a deep enough background involving the code and manipulating the video itself to know how to adapt another program's resizer to FU. The cross-cutting stuff was made because DivX 3 didn't have the facilities to provide the proper quality control. However, it is most definitely the codec's responsibility to provide this.

7th September 2003, 15:30	#8 \| Link
UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	fu2k's algorithm was used to determine image difference for use with the crosscutter, and has been removed. Using FU with XVID and cross-cutting would be very slow, since for the crosscutter to be effective it would need at least 3 or 4 encodings. IMHO, using 2-pass XVID is faster and should give optimal bitrate repartition. ump

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mx3001 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13	I totally agree with mikegun. Great that FU is under development again, thanks. I wonder why Doom9 never mentioned it in his news, even FU had it's own forum those days and afaik Doom9 is looking for encoding tools with easy GUI: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50339

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UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	Question about future FU development Was just wondering what feature people would like to see in the next FU release ? This post doesn't mean every request will be implemented, but I'd like to know... Thanks, ump

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mikegun one inch man Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 263	hi ump, ok, here we go. there is one feature I'd like to have: encode closed captions into the video (sorry for my poor english, I hope you understand what I mean). I can not encode to 720 resolution. at least I haven't seen this possibilty so far. is this true ? apart from this FU is perfect for me. regards, mikegun __________________ - free speech for the dumb -

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Zhnujm Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 983	AVI/AVS source would be nice.

12th September 2003, 18:11	#19 \| Link
UMP Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 174	Well, I understand better Anyway, for what I understand of the FU internal architecture, this would not be an easy thing to do, so I think GK would be a better way to transcode DVB captures. ump