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Old 21st February 2020, 22:47   #58761  |  Link
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What I'm saying is that you keep beating on people that calibration is the end all be all of everything video. And what I'm saying to you is that it's NOT that simple. You can screw things up with a bad calibration, whether you want to believe it or not.
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Old 21st February 2020, 23:52   #58762  |  Link
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Nothing is screwed up by the calibration.

The panel itself, its software, and its black roll-offs are at fault. Not the meter or the calibration process in it of itself.

And at the end of the day, if the calibration doesn't work, Nothing is worse, it's still as good or bad as you've bought it. settings could be changed back.

So again, you are incorrect in insinuating that a calibration can make a panel worse, it clearly has not and CAN NOT.

And a spectral correction also would not help with your issue. because those corrections don't affect the black roll offs. LG is going to implement the new 1-3% gamma adjust to address this exact issue.
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Old 22nd February 2020, 00:11   #58763  |  Link
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It's clear you have no idea what I'm talking about so I'm just going to leave at that. Of course you can factory reset it back to defaults. I never said you couldn't. I didn't say the TV is permanently screwed up by a bad calibration. However, since us LG owners upload the LUTS directly to the TV, if you DON'T factory reset, you are stuck with a bad calibration until you do. What I SAID was that a bad calibration makes the picture quality worse. And the point of a calibration SHOULD be to get the picture as close to reference as possible. Anyway, you're just not getting what I'm saying so we'll leave it at that.
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Old 22nd February 2020, 00:17   #58764  |  Link
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Please could you take this off topic generic calibration discussion in another thread? Thanks
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Don't need to, I'm done.
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I have what is very likely a stupid question. But you know me, never afraid to ask! Windows has the idea of scaling when you set a fairly high resolution. For 1080p it tends to go to 150% and for 2160p it defaults to 300% on the desktop. When playing video full screen windowed mode, does that scaling apply to the video at all? Or does madvr's windowed mode "override" the scaling set on the desktop? As I said, probably a ridiculously stupid question on my part but I am curious. Thanks!
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I have what is very likely a stupid question. But you know me, never afraid to ask! Windows has the idea of scaling when you set a fairly high resolution. For 1080p it tends to go to 150% and for 2160p it defaults to 300% on the desktop. When playing video full screen windowed mode, does that scaling apply to the video at all? Or does madvr's windowed mode "override" the scaling set on the desktop? As I said, probably a ridiculously stupid question on my part but I am curious. Thanks!
The scaling is only for the GUI. I use 200% and that doesn't impact on video content.
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Thanks, Manni. I figured that was probably the case but thought I'd ask cause I didn't know for sure.
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Guys, which scenario is right - NGU Sharp low+SSIM 1D 100 AR LL, or NGU Sharp medium+Bicubic 150 AR LL?
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There is no "right" but I would think most here would go with NGU Sharp Medium + Bicubic 150 AR LL for the higher quality upscaling and sharper resulting downscaled image but at the end
nobody knows your panel sharpness or your viewing distance and preferences so just pick what you like.
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Thanks, Manni. I figured that was probably the case but thought I'd ask cause I didn't know for sure.
Actually, that depends on the player. If a player entirely ignores any Windows DPI handling, then the desktop scaling would in fact affect the video.

An application (ie. the player) would have to tell windows to not scale it, since it does its own scaling. Windows otherwise cannot scale selectively. It either scales the entire player, or nothing of it.
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Actually, that depends on the player. If a player entirely ignores any Windows DPI handling, then the desktop scaling would in fact affect the video.



An application (ie. the player) would have to tell windows to not scale it, since it does its own scaling. Windows otherwise cannot scale selectively. It either scales the entire player, or nothing of it.
Can someone help with my scaling...
Whenever I'm in 23Hz film mode, my TV overscans. The TV doesn't give me an option to resize and scaling from the nVidia CP just reduces the resolution to make the image fit...
What to do!?

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Actually, that depends on the player. If a player entirely ignores any Windows DPI handling, then the desktop scaling would in fact affect the video.

An application (ie. the player) would have to tell windows to not scale it, since it does its own scaling. Windows otherwise cannot scale selectively. It either scales the entire player, or nothing of it.
Well, ok....you obviously know which player I use. Is this something I have to worry about with madvr in JRiver?
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Well, ok....you obviously know which player I use. Is this something I have to worry about with madvr in JRiver?
Not usually. Things only get tricky if you mix screens with different scaling values. And the madVR OSD would tell you the resolution that madVR thinks its rendering to, if thats not the real screen res, then you know something is wrong.
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Old 23rd February 2020, 01:16   #58775  |  Link
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the madVR OSD is clear about this so you are fine browser have problem with this.
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Thanks, guys. Much appreciated!
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Guys, which scenario is right - NGU Sharp low+SSIM 1D 100 AR LL, or NGU Sharp medium+Bicubic 150 AR LL?
Obviously, you put everything you can into Luma, then consider chroma.

If it's downscaling, then it really doesn't matter what the chroma is because you're gonna have enough power to ngu both.

In the case of NGU then downscale, Unless it's from a very very small resolution to slightly higher than native res, then downscale, it doesn't really matter, because NGU makes posterized edges on these. And from a distance they look the same as cheaper algorithms
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Can someone help with my scaling...
Whenever I'm in 23Hz film mode, my TV overscans. The TV doesn't give me an option to resize and scaling from the nVidia CP just reduces the resolution to make the image fit...
What to do!?
Manufacturer of TV? What Firmware version?
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In the case of NGU then downscale, Unless it's from a very very small resolution to slightly higher than native res, then downscale, it doesn't really matter, because NGU makes posterized edges on these. And from a distance they look the same as cheaper algorithms
I'm using image doubling for 1080p, then downscaling to 3440x1440p.

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Manufacturer of TV? What Firmware version?
It's a Samsung UN75RU8000FXZC, software version 1351.3
Pictire size settings in settings is just greyed out
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