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1st March 2006, 19:48 | #1664 | Link | |
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1st March 2006, 19:50 | #1665 | Link |
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VFW is old, is buggy, is slow, is limited, doesnt support many of the new codecs features, creates problems when editing, doesnt support variable bitrate, doesnt support variable framerate, doesnt support streaming, etc...
it's simply old and outdated and must die so a new tech can replace it.
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1st March 2006, 20:06 | #1668 | Link | |
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1st March 2006, 20:18 | #1669 | Link | |
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VFW is old indeed (then again, quicktime, which mp4 is based on, is even older), but it is not buggy, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. AVC in vfw interface has exactly the same issue ASP had (b-frame lag at editing, no issues at playbacking), and i don't remember that anyone had any problems with xvid or divx in this regard. VFW is not slower (as only the interface is different, and it has nearly no overhead), and there is no feature in the AVC standard what couldn't be used in VFW interface (the fact that not every feature is implemented in the vfw version is a completely different question). Variable frame rate and streaming are indeed not supported, but i cannot imagine why would i need these features. I just cannot understand why you guys feel so threatened by the vfw version that you have to keep spreading these misinformations. |
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1st March 2006, 20:34 | #1670 | Link |
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You can watch the image of the error message already in a thread in the german board. But it looks rather like a MeGUI problem than a x264 bug.
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1st March 2006, 20:42 | #1671 | Link | |
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i tell you you dont listen to ours, cause if you would, you would not "keep spreading these misinformations"
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1st March 2006, 20:52 | #1672 | Link | |
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@Tommy Carrot: it's not limited to b.frames, there are also other features (forward and backward multiple reference frames, frames reordering etc.) that are NOT COMPATIBLE NOR SUPPORTED by VFW (and AVI). Until VFW is alive there will be small or no interest in creating editing software based on other techs just coz there's virtual dub(mod). Let vfw die and let the coders develop software based on new technologies.
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1st March 2006, 20:55 | #1673 | Link |
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Bond, i think every argument i said is true. I don't say people should use vfw, and i'm perfectly aware of the limitations of it, but sometimes the "anti-vfw league" is saying ridiculous things here, and i feel i have to address the issue. Spreading misinformations, even with good intentions, just to convince people is not ok IMO.
Sharktooth: the mentioned problems are all related to the b-frames, p-frames have no problem with multiple references. Anyway, i don't wish to continue this debate, let's just say that theoretically i agree with you, i just think you are too quick to bury vfw before any proper alternative could emerge. I'm following closely the developments of the mkv and mp4 manipulator applications, but they are nowhere close to being usable for more complex editing jobs. I think until then the vfw version is still necessary. Last edited by Tommy Carrot; 1st March 2006 at 21:02. |
1st March 2006, 20:57 | #1674 | Link |
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spreading misinformation?!?
MPEG-4 ASP was HACKED in VFW... AVC is HACKED in VFW... what misinformation? VFW doesnt support MPEG-4 (both v3 and v10). If you say something different it's you spreading misinformation.
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1st March 2006, 21:01 | #1675 | Link |
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So far, I can see the VFW is good enough for the casual user. And the more advanced tools out there means you have to download additional huge programs and learn them.
I don't see why VFW is so incredibly bad. Make another system like VFW if you think it is so bad. If it really is as good as VFW, it might just one day replace it. |
1st March 2006, 21:02 | #1676 | Link |
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guys, lets cool down plz
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1st March 2006, 21:02 | #1677 | Link |
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There is... GStreamer... DirectShow...
But no virtual dub for DirectShow nor for GStreamer... Thanx to VFW. BTW, VFW is not good at all... it causes big problems with AVC.
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1st March 2006, 21:05 | #1678 | Link |
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well once avidemux supports mp4 output correctly, there will be no reason for using x264 with avi/vfw anymore
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1st March 2006, 21:14 | #1680 | Link |
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infact it's much better...
stick with your jurassical software and tech then and speak for yourself.
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