Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion. Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules. |
28th November 2016, 12:22 | #40862 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 176
|
Quote:
A few months ago I couldn't use DXD9 at all. Now after a few updates of AMD drivers, madVR and blueskyFRC it seems that DXD9 works. I can't tell who caused/fixed this problem. However, sometimes I get a black screen when switching to FSE. I use now DXD11 and it works well. BTW I use Windows 10 and I have no DXD9 game installed. Windows 10 includes DXD11. Would it made a difference if I had installed an DXD9 game? Last edited by HillieSan; 28th November 2016 at 12:26. |
|
28th November 2016, 12:28 | #40863 | Link | |
Kid for Today
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,477
|
Quote:
Having more thoughts about it, you might as well add a "downscale quality: use image downscaling settings instead" suboption if it really makes sense to you to leave them unused for some reason, so newbies can still use the three existing presets and experts can still go the older way : everyone's happy I very much would like to still be able to run CR AR LL to downscale doubled 720p@1080p and SSIM2D100LL+50%AB to downscale SD |
|
28th November 2016, 12:37 | #40864 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 216
|
Not sure I'm crazy about the limited presets for downscaling after image doubling either. I always used AR+LL for downscaling, but you are saying with these presets that LL is "wrong" or that it is "placebo"? I can see the difference between LL on and off, especially with white text, but I don't know which is "correct". I thought the consensus was that you were supposed to use LL for downscaling?
If it's not needed then it's not needed, just would like some clarification. Last edited by StinDaWg; 28th November 2016 at 13:06. |
28th November 2016, 13:17 | #40866 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 51
|
Quote:
|
|
28th November 2016, 13:19 | #40867 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 27
|
Quote:
|
|
28th November 2016, 13:23 | #40868 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,229
|
Quote:
I think you may have a similar issue to me just a lot less extreme. I do actually get the black screen when it switches to full screen mode now... with D3D 11. However, now it doesn't like D3D 9 either and freezes. Most of the time MPC then becomes locked, and sometimes you can play the video again, but requires me to usually hard reset (hold the power button). I can't keep doing that in testing since it won't do the computer any good continuously restarting. So, same settings, I've now gone from D3D9 exclusive to D3D11 windowed. When it works it works beautifully, but ironically if I play around with the settings and it freezes, the same settings may not work the same again even if I reset madVR, clear the shader cache (I disabled it anyway but didn't help). I even tried a different install location of madVR. So, not sure what's going on. I can't pinpoint it to any specific setting. It's damned annoying that I can't just close it off and reopen (hard reset required). If it is insider build related, even though it was like it in the last build too, you have to keep in mind that RS2 is due in 4 months, so if it is compatibility related it needs to be quashed. Since on the same build it worked with the R9-280X and not with the RX 480 (and the new monitor), I think it's not related to that. Last edited by burfadel; 28th November 2016 at 13:25. |
|
28th November 2016, 13:27 | #40869 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,184
|
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...18#post1787718
@madshi, plz check. |
28th November 2016, 13:37 | #40870 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 176
|
Quote:
I had instability problems after updating madVR, and I had to run 'install.bat' (in admin mode) once after every update of madVR. |
|
28th November 2016, 13:50 | #40871 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 141
|
I cant find upscaling settings now. does it only show now if it is needed?
__________________
http://hometheatersettings.com - how to setup htpc and more |
28th November 2016, 14:09 | #40872 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 24
|
Well, madVR is in danger of literally going MAD and developing a split personality.
On one hand we have things like the profile system that lets power users configure everything to their liking. On the other there is the need to streamline/simplify options for normal users. Every piece of software in the history of the universe has failed at balancing these two hands. Unfortunately I can see the same thing happening to madVR. Power users end up disappointed with the lack of options (compared to the earlier builds) and normal users never have enough knowledge to not be confused with the remaining options. It has all happened zillion times before. Limiting the choices for downscaling after image doubling is a great example of this problem. You are taking away the choice from the power user AND you are making your own profile system less useful. If the end goal is completely removing the profile system, then I can understand this. But I don't recall you mentioning it. On the other side I doubt that the normal user is less confused with this new option. You still have a downscale option in the upscaling/doubling section. Without a proper explanation (tooltip?) the normal user still has no idea what that thing does. As others have already suggested a simple "downscale quality: use image downscaling settings instead" would fix this for the power user. For the normal user I am afraid that only a complete settings UI overhaul will make things less confusing. P.S. sxbr should stay! It’s still the performance/quality ratio king for slower cards (haven’t tried new ngu low yet) |
28th November 2016, 14:19 | #40873 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 216
|
Is there such a thing as a "normal" user in regards to madVR though? No one I know in real life has ever used or has a clue what madVR is.
I'm not sure why the new shift to catering towards "normal" users is for. madVR is only used by super nerdy videophiles. And super nerdy videophiles want to customize everything. |
28th November 2016, 14:26 | #40874 | Link | ||||||
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 609
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
My guess is that your code already implements an accurate timer of some sort or the display driver is taking care of it somehow. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_P...on_Event_Timer You may need to enable it at the windows command line with the "bcdedit /set useplatformclock true" command. Last edited by flossy_cake; 28th November 2016 at 14:46. |
||||||
28th November 2016, 14:31 | #40876 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 22
|
Quote:
|
|
28th November 2016, 14:32 | #40877 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,812
|
Have to agree with twfo. I finely tuned everything with different profiles for every scaling factor, and now that kind of control is simply not possible anymore.
If we have to make a clean cut, then I'd vote for making the UI even simpler by deleting lots more of it. But then on the other hand, we need complete commandline/script control for advanced users, still offering every possible configuration. Otherwise, imho we end up with something just crippled. I haven't tested yet if new NGU low is a good replacement for s-xbr. Dunno if low + low quadrupling is even possible atm. Can test at home later. |
28th November 2016, 14:35 | #40878 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 447
|
Quote:
I'm not saying the new system is perfect (I haven't played with it yet), but I can understand the desire for clarity and reducing the amount of useless combinations.
__________________
Test patterns: Grayscale yuv444p16le perceptually spaced gradient v2.1 (8-bit version), Multicolor yuv444p16le perceptually spaced gradient v2.1 (8-bit version) |
|
28th November 2016, 14:37 | #40879 | Link |
Kid for Today
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,477
|
Well, I'd like to use Jinc AR for chroma if I have chroma NGU disabled and prefer to beef up luma NGU.....Not possible anymore either? But you said that NGU-low is just as fast as Jinc so I'll have a go at all this ASAP
|
28th November 2016, 14:41 | #40880 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 353
|
I think that GUI should suggest good decisions in some way but definitely not prevent an user to make his/her own ones, even if they seem to be incorrect.
__________________
Windows 8.1 x64 Magically yours Raistlin |
Tags |
direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
|
|