BatchEncodeM2V 00014c alpha with HCENC support - Page 3

recoil47 · 27th February 2005, 07:15

Trahald,

A couple questions, I just saw in another thread that you have been coding this to replace BatchCCEWS in the Big3 process.

1) Does this program support CCE 2.70.x ?

2) Can I assume that when this goes from Alpha to a Beta that there will be a guide as to how to incorporate it into the Big3 (for newbies like me)?

I'm very interested in the single pass CCE options. Right now I use Big3 with Multipass and it takes up to 5 hours to encode. If this program helps cut that time down and keeps the quality the same, I'm all for it.

Thanks,
Chuck

influenza · 27th February 2005, 10:18

Hmm what title needs demux by cellid? I never came across a title that needed that and am always curious of ocurse

Ripe73 · 27th February 2005, 18:24

Maybe a porno

trigger638 · 27th February 2005, 22:44

No, actually the title is the forgotten. The details of how it is layed out are described in another thread called Chapter point question, started by me. In that thread I state that scenaid crashes when processing the asset folder. This is not totaly accurate. It was my first encounter with the new sony protection, and after reading the hang-ups with that I did get scenaid to process the asset folder.

Basically it is seamlessly branched, the title vob contains the entire theatrical version of the film followed by a couple of deleted scenes and then the alternate ending. So after the credits they just threw in a few scenes and the alternate ending. What is happening is that the chapter points are off ever so slightly. In this particular case it is critical that they are exact. In the extended playback, when it jumps to a deleted scene, I get a few frames that are out of place at both the begining and the end of the playback. Basically even if the scene times are a few frames off from the original, it will be noticed in the playback.

I tried several times to recompile with scenaid. It appears that the chapter points are not accurate enough to deal with this scenario. I also attempted to do the chapter points manually, and as it turns out I am not accurate enough not to be noticed in playback. So my conclusion is that the only way to get exact assets would be to demux by cell id. Of course getting uneven number of fields errors while attempting this was not helping.

I just finished totally recompiling my project using the assets created with BatchEncodeM2V, not one uneven field error. Had some audio length problems (too short by a few frames) but those were easily corrected.

The project plays flawlessly on my comp and on my settop with the exception of the pausing when switching between non-seamless scenes while playing the extended version on the settop (expected due to no seamless branching support).

Thanks a ton for the response to my question D3s7, I understand it much better now. This autodetect pulldown functionality is a must have, fantastic feature. As always thanks for your efforts, Trahald, on this awsome new addition.

If you need any additional info on troubleshooting why scenaid is having problems with this title I would be more than happy to assist.

Thanks for all the help.

Trahald · 28th February 2005, 16:49

I was able to do 'the grudge' again with vobid demux.. worked fairly well.. but with some minimal scenarist tinkering
(the dummy areas audio was a tad too short. the result plays and navigates fine. make sure you have the option to have scenaid process the pgc and vobid audio with delay_cut.. this fixes some crc errors in the audio

D3s7 · 3rd March 2005, 14:35

I have to agree w/ trigger...

after looking closer, VTS8 has to be done by Cell.. either that or your going to waste quite a bit of space

Guess I'll have to code in support for cell demuxes... either that or we need to come up w/ a sound way to mix types... partial PGC/VOBID partial cell when needed...

Trahald · 3rd March 2005, 18:48

ok.. batchencode 0.0.0.10 released.. info in top post.

Trahald · 5th March 2005, 05:40

here is a replacement for revpulldown (put in your batchencode install directory) on large files (about 2.2 gb+) it would add a second sequence end code without getting rid of the old one.

Darklistener · 5th March 2005, 11:23

Hi
I allways get this error msg popup:
vts__01_p01.i-tff.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl is not a ecl for cce sp works version

I use CCE SP 2.70.01.05

Trahald · 5th March 2005, 16:56

i never tested the app for 2.7.. i installed it this morning and will test when i get home. i think its a simple thing with the header.. i should have a fix out tonight.

next few things i'll be working on is to add some features specific to encoders.. ie matrix and any other options..(for any encoders that support matrix) i am thinking about implementing templates .i will allow setting the encoder options out to the front screen and you can set them for each file.. meaning you can setup doing your main movie with cce and say extras with procoder) the templates will be one per encoder option (1-pass cce, multipass cce, quenc, procoder, etc) and anything else that comes to mind or is suggested. the selection in the option menu will be your default template/encoder.

that will probably be added after i start calling it beta (in a version or 2) cce 2.7 support will be in the tonites alpha

Trahald · 6th March 2005, 19:01

Ok.. put on 0.0.0.11b on the homepage (lists as batchencodem2v00011.exe) it fixes another surprise with 2.70.. see the change log (above) for details.

mrslacker · 7th March 2005, 01:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Darklistener
Hi
I allways get this error msg popup:
vts__01_p01.i-tff.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl is not a ecl for cce sp works version

I use CCE SP 2.70.01.05

I saw this in the DVD Rebuilder forum. It seems that the "works" version looks for its specific CCE SP Works header in ecl files. This particular flavor of cce is something of a red flag, if you follow. I think AutoQ, or more specifically, EclStart, allows for custom specification of the header string. I haven't used BatchEncodeM2V yet, so I don't know if this would work, but EclStart has an EclCCE mode that might be handy for this type of incompatibility.

Trahald · 7th March 2005, 02:45

ahh.. yeah.. i didnt even notice that.. i think that may not be a bad idea (user definable header.)

mrslacker · 7th March 2005, 04:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Trahald
ahh.. yeah.. i didnt even notice that.. i think that may not be a bad idea (user definable header.)

Or at least an option for the "CCE SP Trial Version" header...

BTW: I don't quite understand the drop_frame issue with the new CCE. Why 1/5 the size? That's not the difference between 24 and 23.976. I'm worried about other programs messing this up now.

Trahald · 7th March 2005, 05:00

Quote:

Originally posted by mrslacker
Or at least an option for the "CCE SP Trial Version" header...

BTW: I don't quite understand the drop_frame issue with the new CCE. Why 1/5 the size? That's not the difference between 24 and 23.976. I'm worried about other programs messing this up now.

yeah.. the header im using now is for the trial .. i was thinking of adding custom support since i assume a purchased version has a different header ( i only have the trial )

i think the difference is pulldown distance oddly enough. (23.976->29.97) i would never think that was the issue and played with pulldown settings for a 1/2 hour. last thing i tried before i was about to give up was the drop frame flag. and that fixed it..
Again.. its only for 23.976 material & when drop frame is used (which many apps may not use.) i just tested on 2.70.02.00 trial and its there. Custom technology probably calls it a feature.

mrslacker · 7th March 2005, 07:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Trahald
yeah.. the header im using now is for the trial .. i was thinking of adding custom support since i assume a purchased version has a different header ( i only have the trial )

Only the trial here as well. Although, the 2.70.02 trial will load and save ecl files without eclcce... but the header generated by CCERoBa.exe is incompatible:

; Cinema Craft Encoder SP -- Encoder Control List

On the other hand, multi-pass encodes start just fine with BatchEncodeM2V. This is my first time with CCERoBa or BatchEncodeM2V. I might be missing something. I presume RB's EclCCE expects the type of header that CCERoBa.exe generates.

Too bad CCERoBa doesn't have the option of generating ecl files for the new ecl-enabled trial. A version of EclCCE that could work with this new version of CCE would be even more helpful, as most helper apps expect or require EclCCE. Just speaking my mind at this point.

Zeul · 7th March 2005, 09:14

Trahald
You need to determine the internal description of the cce.exe file. In every case the description is what is required in the header of the .ecl file. Right click -> properties shows the description.

And the retail of 2.7+ shows CCE SP Works Version. Basic is differnet again.

Trahald · 7th March 2005, 15:20

ahh.. i see.. so i should be able to pull that automatically out of the descriptor. cool.

@ mrslacker
as far as cceroba goes.. i have to contact tylo to see if he will add support for it... havent seen him in a while.. i might explore adding support for autoq.

Trahald · 7th March 2005, 21:09

Ok.. updated it to create the header based on the Product Name for all cce versions as zeul suggested. 0.0.0.11c

mrslacker · 8th March 2005, 03:30

An option to specify vaf_file and vid_fileX folders would be helpful. I'm always encoding, muxing, and authoring to separate drives... at least when they are separate steps. Thanks!

Oh yeah, the version string check seems to be working fine.

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	I was able to do 'the grudge' again with vobid demux.. worked fairly well.. but with some minimal scenarist tinkering (the dummy areas audio was a tad too short. the result plays and navigates fine. make sure you have the option to have scenaid process the pgc and vobid audio with delay_cut.. this fixes some crc errors in the audio __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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D3s7 ScenAid Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,623	I have to agree w/ trigger... after looking closer, VTS8 has to be done by Cell.. either that or your going to waste quite a bit of space Guess I'll have to code in support for cell demuxes... either that or we need to come up w/ a sound way to mix types... partial PGC/VOBID partial cell when needed... __________________ ScenAid May just replace the dog as man's best friend http://www.scenaid.com

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	ok.. batchencode 0.0.0.10 released.. info in top post. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples? Last edited by Trahald; 3rd March 2005 at 18:52.

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recoil47 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 139	Trahald, A couple questions, I just saw in another thread that you have been coding this to replace BatchCCEWS in the Big3 process. 1) Does this program support CCE 2.70.x ? 2) Can I assume that when this goes from Alpha to a Beta that there will be a guide as to how to incorporate it into the Big3 (for newbies like me)? I'm very interested in the single pass CCE options. Right now I use Big3 with Multipass and it takes up to 5 hours to encode. If this program helps cut that time down and keeps the quality the same, I'm all for it. Thanks, Chuck

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trigger638 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 44	No, actually the title is the forgotten. The details of how it is layed out are described in another thread called Chapter point question, started by me. In that thread I state that scenaid crashes when processing the asset folder. This is not totaly accurate. It was my first encounter with the new sony protection, and after reading the hang-ups with that I did get scenaid to process the asset folder. Basically it is seamlessly branched, the title vob contains the entire theatrical version of the film followed by a couple of deleted scenes and then the alternate ending. So after the credits they just threw in a few scenes and the alternate ending. What is happening is that the chapter points are off ever so slightly. In this particular case it is critical that they are exact. In the extended playback, when it jumps to a deleted scene, I get a few frames that are out of place at both the begining and the end of the playback. Basically even if the scene times are a few frames off from the original, it will be noticed in the playback. I tried several times to recompile with scenaid. It appears that the chapter points are not accurate enough to deal with this scenario. I also attempted to do the chapter points manually, and as it turns out I am not accurate enough not to be noticed in playback. So my conclusion is that the only way to get exact assets would be to demux by cell id. Of course getting uneven number of fields errors while attempting this was not helping. I just finished totally recompiling my project using the assets created with BatchEncodeM2V, not one uneven field error. Had some audio length problems (too short by a few frames) but those were easily corrected. The project plays flawlessly on my comp and on my settop with the exception of the pausing when switching between non-seamless scenes while playing the extended version on the settop (expected due to no seamless branching support). Thanks a ton for the response to my question D3s7, I understand it much better now. This autodetect pulldown functionality is a must have, fantastic feature. As always thanks for your efforts, Trahald, on this awsome new addition. If you need any additional info on troubleshooting why scenaid is having problems with this title I would be more than happy to assist. Thanks for all the help.

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Darklistener Bavarian Ripping Angel Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bavaria Posts: 119	Hi I allways get this error msg popup: vts__01_p01.i-tff.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl is not a ecl for cce sp works version I use CCE SP 2.70.01.05

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	i never tested the app for 2.7.. i installed it this morning and will test when i get home. i think its a simple thing with the header.. i should have a fix out tonight. next few things i'll be working on is to add some features specific to encoders.. ie matrix and any other options..(for any encoders that support matrix) i am thinking about implementing templates .i will allow setting the encoder options out to the front screen and you can set them for each file.. meaning you can setup doing your main movie with cce and say extras with procoder) the templates will be one per encoder option (1-pass cce, multipass cce, quenc, procoder, etc) and anything else that comes to mind or is suggested. the selection in the option menu will be your default template/encoder. that will probably be added after i start calling it beta (in a version or 2) cce 2.7 support will be in the tonites alpha __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples? Last edited by Trahald; 5th March 2005 at 17:09.

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Ok.. put on 0.0.0.11b on the homepage (lists as batchencodem2v00011.exe) it fixes another surprise with 2.70.. see the change log (above) for details. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	ahh.. yeah.. i didnt even notice that.. i think that may not be a bad idea (user definable header.) __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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Zeul Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England Posts: 1,361	Trahald You need to determine the internal description of the cce.exe file. In every case the description is what is required in the header of the .ecl file. Right click -> properties shows the description. And the retail of 2.7+ shows CCE SP Works Version. Basic is differnet again.

7th March 2005, 15:20	#58 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	ahh.. i see.. so i should be able to pull that automatically out of the descriptor. cool. @ mrslacker as far as cceroba goes.. i have to contact tylo to see if he will add support for it... havent seen him in a while.. i might explore adding support for autoq. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Ok.. updated it to create the header based on the Product Name for all cce versions as zeul suggested. 0.0.0.11c __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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mrslacker Junior Slacker Join Date: May 2004 Location: End-World Posts: 296	An option to specify vaf_file and vid_fileX folders would be helpful. I'm always encoding, muxing, and authoring to separate drives... at least when they are separate steps. Thanks! Oh yeah, the version string check seems to be working fine.