BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only - Page 322

Capsbackup · 23rd December 2009, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Just my opinion, but wasting 3GB on an audio track to keep HD audio that double-blind tests prove isn't recognizable to the human ear just seems a little over the edge.

If you have six gig for video and 3.5 gig for audio... Where is the rest of the 22GB?

I do not disagree.

The idea that BD-RB's extras are 2.4GB larger than the originals does bring about some concern though, which is why I reported it.
I would prefer the extras to be closer to half the original discs extras, and most of my backups are. If applied here, that would equal 7.1GB extras, leaving 15.5GB for the main feature, and the 3.6GB of audio files is not so big and can still leave plenty of room for the video.
I know my ears cannot tell the difference between the HD audio and the DD 5.1 audio, ( my eyes just see the receiver say DTS HD Master vs DD

) but I don't think that is the problem here. For some reason, BD-RB did not allocate the bitrates proportionally as it has in the past for me.
Side note: running a full backup WITHOUT "Quicker Encode for Extras" now, and this is the log:

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[12:56:47] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: DISTRICT_9
- Input BD size: 37.11 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
- Target BD size: 22.90 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- SHUTDOWN at completion enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:56:47] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:56:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [13:08:52] Reencoding: VID_00011 (1 of 48)
- [13:08:52] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 161,496 frames
- Bitrate: 11,062 Kbs
- [13:08:52] Reencoding: VID_00011, Pass 1 of 2

I will let you know how it finishes, but initially this looks much more promising!

Race Guy · 23rd December 2009, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

I know my ears cannot tell the difference between the HD audio and the DD 5.1 audio, ( my eyes just see the receiver say DTS HD Master vs DD

)

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!

Chiamos · 24th December 2009, 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Race Guy

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!

I'm totally with Race Guy on this one all the way and 7.1 uncompressed via analog is a near match too.

Capsbackup · 24th December 2009, 14:11

@jdobbs;
Success with District 9, the 2 pass without "Quicker Encodes For Extras" came out perfect.

Of course, this should not really come as a suprise though.

All extras came out 9.35GB with an average bitrate of over 7800kbs, and the main feature was 12.8GB and had 11,062kbs.
The time difference to make a full backup is quite longer though, at just over 12 hours, but the accuracy is right on.

I use to use this setting all the time, then switched because of the speed increase.
I am rethinking this now!

GaPony · 24th December 2009, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Race Guy

Buy yourself a copy of "Jeff Beck Live At Ronnie Scott's", Caps and/or jdobbs, turn it up to "11" & then let me know if you can "hear a difference" on the "MA" track!!!

Now you've provided a single example of where a DTS-MA track may be preferred. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to provide the 1000's of cases where it makes little to no difference.

This has been an ongoing debate since DTS first hit the scene. There are thousands of articles to support both sides of the argument. Fortunately, you have a choice and can pick whichever audio format you prefer, where both exist.

jdobbs · 24th December 2009, 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

@jdobbs;
Success with District 9, the 2 pass without "Quicker Encodes For Extras" came out perfect.

Of course, this should not really come as a suprise though.

All extras came out 9.35GB with an average bitrate of over 7800kbs, and the main feature was 12.8GB and had 11,062kbs.
The time difference to make a full backup is quite longer though, at just over 12 hours, but the accuracy is right on.

I use to use this setting all the time, then switched because of the speed increase.
I am rethinking this now!

It's my fault. I adjusted the CRF values last version and forgot to put it in the CHANGES. I figured it wouldn't hurt since extras usually only take up a small amount of space. But, as your case shows, that's not always the case and it can become a problem. I'll adjust them back down.

Race Guy · 24th December 2009, 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaPony

Now you've provided a single example of where a DTS-MA track may be preferred. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to provide the 1000's of cases where it makes little to no difference.

This has been an ongoing debate since DTS first hit the scene. There are thousands of articles to support both sides of the argument. Fortunately, you have a choice and can pick whichever audio format you prefer, where both exist.

I could do a list too. It's NOT just "DTS", it's lossless in general, LPCM 5.1, Dolby THD. It's the difference between a DVD-Audio/SACD & an mp3. With lossless you're "at" the mixing desk.

To make a blanket statement like "there's no difference" don't-a-make-a-no-sense!!!

On a "pre digital recording" flick, I'd agree that a lossless track could get the boot, but on a modern, big bux flick, and ESPECIALLY a concert, the diff is HUGE lossless vs lossy.

Here's example #2: Give "Roy Orbison Black & White Night" a spin.

Sharc · 24th December 2009, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdobbs

It's my fault. I adjusted the CRF values last version and forgot to put it in the CHANGES. I figured it wouldn't hurt since extras usually only take up a small amount of space. But, as your case shows, that's not always the case and it can become a problem. I'll adjust them back down.

Just a note: It's very convenient to set the crf for the Extras cusomized in the config file under [Options], e.g.:
QUICK_CRF=27
For crf>25 I usually also set
QUICK_USE_QUALITY=1

jdobbs · 24th December 2009, 18:27

Quote:

I could do a list too. It's NOT just "DTS", it's lossless in general, LPCM 5.1, Dolby THD. It's the difference between a DVD-Audio/SACD & an mp3. With lossless you're "at" the mixing desk.

To make a blanket statement like "there's no difference" don't-a-make-a-no-sense!!!

On a "pre digital recording" flick, I'd agree that a lossless track could get the boot, but on a modern, big bux flick, and ESPECIALLY a concert, the diff is HUGE lossless vs lossy.

Here's example #2: Give "Roy Orbison Black & White Night" a spin.

I can just say that I believe in science and engineering. So I completely disregard anything that people "say" they can hear and I listen to the double blind tests done in controlled environments. The fact is that people "think" they can hear the difference -- but when they don't know whether its HD or standard audio tracks, they can't tell the difference! People report being abducted by aliens too -- but people are completely unreliable as a mechanism for reporting anything. It's a simple matter of the limitations of human hearing.

laserfan · 24th December 2009, 19:49

But don't discs typically have other tracks on them which are just plain DIFFERENT from the "lossless" track--so people compare and choose the lossless, but they've compared oranges to apples. In any case it's easy to decide that for all future decisions I will always choose MA/HD over any other.

But it seems we've gotten sidetracked from Capsbackup's issue, which was "I left 16Gb for video but got only 6".

ron spencer · 25th December 2009, 01:34

Can you notice a difference? Sure you can, but NOT when you are watching and listening. The average person cannot in this context. When I watch a movie, I notice no difference between any of the lossless stuff or simple AC3, nobody I know can. HOWEVER, if I listen to a DVD-A, when I am only listening (and others as well), then yes, I can easily hear the difference. The human brain has too much to do to notice a difference when using the auditory and visual senses at the same time.

RB Newbie · 25th December 2009, 01:40

After doing a successful rebuild of an MPEG 2 encoded BR, my second and third attempts failed on VC-1 encoded discs. The failure was at the start of the encode.
I'm running XP Pro SP3 with WMP 10. Installing WMP 11 wasn't an attractive option as WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) is something I try to avoid due to hassles when changing my hardware configuration. I managed to get the Microsoft VC-1 codecs from MSDN here "Windows Media Format 11 SDK";
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bb190309.aspx

I found the link to the MSDN download here;
http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-112634.html

Before loading the VC-1 codecs, I cleaned my system of a couple of codec packs I'd added in the past along with a couple of video programs including AVItoDVD. After loading the VC-1 codecs I can play m2ts files from the 3 BD discs in WMP 10. BD Rebuilder also runs successfully in one pass encoder mode.

My problem is I only have one pass CRF and ABR choices in the encoder menu. No two pass choice is shown. I have uninstalled avisynth, ffdshow, Matroska Splitter, deleting the BDR installaion directory and then re-installed all recommended versions (avisyth 2.57, ffdshow 3133, Haali Media Splitter 1.9.42.1, BDR 3105) and configured ffdshow mpeg2 to libavcodec. The successful rebuild of the VC-1 encoded BD (Earth Disc1 BBC version Region 1) was done with ffdshow VC-1=disabled but changing it has no effect on the encoder options in BDR.

I noticed that there was no 2 pass choice in the encoder settings while working on the rebuild failures before loading the VC-1 codecs from MSDN and unless I've lost my mind, it was there when I did my initial rebuild of the mpeg 2 encoded BD.

Any help would be deeply appreciated. When I noticed the 2 pass encoder choice missing, I figured I'd resolve my VC-1 issues first and it would probably be something easy to find but I've run out of things to try. I can post the BDR ini file but I haven't modified anything (except the ffdshow settings mentioned).

Capsbackup · 25th December 2009, 02:06

Just select, under encoder settings, "High Quality(Default)" and you will get a 2 pass encode. If you want 2 pass encodes for all files, uncheck "Quicker Encode For Extras" under the Mode tab.

bole25 · 25th December 2009, 17:53

I am having problema with the movie, AMERICAN GANSTER. I tried several times to make the process to make one 25GB (Full backup). But in some part of the movie the quality slow down very hard. This BD movie have the Theater version and the Extended version. In the BD-RB, the aproximate contect is 05:47:23. The audio movie are: Japanese, English (DTS and Stereo), German, Italian and French. Besides this, I make 2 test, with "Quicker" ecode for extras, selected and unselected. The same history... in some parts of the movie the quality is very ugly. When the BR-RB process is finish, the size of the file is 22.1 GB, low than other movies that I did before. What could be the problem?

writersblock29 · 25th December 2009, 19:13

I'm having trouble with Madagascar 2; the main English HD track (converted to 640kbps AC3) and the English commentary track are trying to play at the same time... it sounds as if they are interweaving with each other.

FFdshow and Haali are installed as per the versions linked on the front page of the thread. AVIsynth is version 258, but I had the same issue with the version linked on the front page.

I did make a tweak to the hidden settings; I ran this disk as a one-pass CRF=18, since I planned on placing this backup on my HTPC's hard drives and only wished to whittle away as much space as I could without noticing a quality hit.

I'm posting my logs, which hopefully will help.

BD Rebuilder's setup file:
[Options]
FIXED_CRF=18
MODE=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
SD_CONVERT=0
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
DTS_REENCODE=1
AC3_REENCODE=1
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
AVCHD=0
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450
TARGET_SIZE=23000
ENCODE_QUALITY=3
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=D:\BLURAY RIPS\MADAGASCAR_2_NA\
WORKING_PATH=C:\USERS\JEFF\VIDEOS\BD REBUILDER PROJECTS\

Log:
----------------------
[21:21:09] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
- Source: MADAGASCAR_2_NA
- Input BD size: 42.31 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:35:33.928]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[21:21:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:21:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00185]
- [21:21:10] Reencoding: VID_00185 (1 of 62)
- [21:21:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00186]
- [21:21:20] Reencoding: VID_00186 (2 of 62)
- [21:21:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00188]
- [21:21:29] Reencoding: VID_00188 (3 of 62)
- [21:21:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00183]
- [21:21:38] Reencoding: VID_00183 (4 of 62)
- [21:21:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00182]
- [21:21:48] Reencoding: VID_00182 (5 of 62)
- [21:21:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00184]
- [21:21:56] Reencoding: VID_00184 (6 of 62)
- [21:22:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00187]
- [21:22:05] Reencoding: VID_00187 (7 of 62)
- [21:22:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00181]
- [21:22:15] Reencoding: VID_00181 (8 of 62)
- [21:22:24] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00157]
- [21:22:26] Reencoding: VID_00157 (9 of 62)
- [21:22:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00161]
- [21:22:39] Reencoding: VID_00161 (10 of 62)
- [21:22:51] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00174]
- [21:22:53] Reencoding: VID_00174 (11 of 62)
- [21:23:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00177]
- [21:23:06] Reencoding: VID_00177 (12 of 62)
- [21:23:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00158]
- [21:23:20] Reencoding: VID_00158 (13 of 62)
- [21:23:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00170]
- [21:23:35] Reencoding: VID_00170 (14 of 62)
- [21:23:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00165]
- [21:23:48] Reencoding: VID_00165 (15 of 62)
- [21:24:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00173]
- [21:24:02] Reencoding: VID_00173 (16 of 62)
- [21:24:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00169]
- [21:24:15] Reencoding: VID_00169 (17 of 62)
- [21:24:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00159]
- [21:24:28] Reencoding: VID_00159 (18 of 62)
- [21:24:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00179]
- [21:24:43] Reencoding: VID_00179 (19 of 62)
- [21:24:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00178]
- [21:24:59] Reencoding: VID_00178 (20 of 62)
- [21:25:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00175]
- [21:25:18] Reencoding: VID_00175 (21 of 62)
- [21:25:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00171]
- [21:25:35] Reencoding: VID_00171 (22 of 62)
- [21:25:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00163]
- [21:25:51] Reencoding: VID_00163 (23 of 62)
- [21:26:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00166]
- [21:26:08] Reencoding: VID_00166 (24 of 62)
- [21:26:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00167]
- [21:26:23] Reencoding: VID_00167 (25 of 62)
- [21:26:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00162]
- [21:26:39] Reencoding: VID_00162 (26 of 62)
- [21:26:54] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00180]
- [21:26:57] Reencoding: VID_00180 (27 of 62)
- [21:27:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00189]
- [21:27:19] Reencoding: VID_00189 (28 of 62)
- [21:27:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00190]
- [21:27:57] Reencoding: VID_00190 (29 of 62)
- [21:28:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00108]
- [21:28:39] Reencoding: VID_00108 (30 of 62)
- [21:29:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00172]
- [21:29:27] Reencoding: VID_00172 (31 of 62)
- [21:30:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00168]
- [21:30:08] Reencoding: VID_00168 (32 of 62)
- [21:30:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00160]
- [21:30:48] Reencoding: VID_00160 (33 of 62)
- [21:31:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00176]
- [21:31:29] Reencoding: VID_00176 (34 of 62)
- [21:32:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00164]
- [21:32:09] Reencoding: VID_00164 (35 of 62)
- [21:32:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00156]
- [21:32:49] Reencoding: VID_00156 (36 of 62)
- [21:33:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00155]
- [21:33:35] Reencoding: VID_00155 (37 of 62)
- [21:34:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013]
- [21:34:53] Reencoding: VID_00013 (38 of 62)
- [21:35:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00152]
- [21:35:33] Reencoding: VID_00152 (39 of 62)
- [21:36:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105]
- [21:36:17] Reencoding: VID_00105 (40 of 62)
- [21:37:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00112]
- [21:37:12] Reencoding: VID_00112 (41 of 62)
- [21:38:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00106]
- [21:38:11] Reencoding: VID_00106 (42 of 62)
- [21:39:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00014]
- [21:39:17] Reencoding: VID_00014 (43 of 62)
- [21:40:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015]
- [21:40:14] Reencoding: VID_00015 (44 of 62)
- [21:41:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00111]
- [21:41:18] Reencoding: VID_00111 (45 of 62)
- [21:42:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00113]
- [21:42:21] Reencoding: VID_00113 (46 of 62)
- [21:43:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00109]
- [21:43:32] Reencoding: VID_00109 (47 of 62)
- [21:44:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00110]
- [21:44:48] Reencoding: VID_00110 (48 of 62)
- [21:45:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00124]
- [21:46:04] Reencoding: VID_00124 (49 of 62)
- [21:47:48] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00150]
- [21:47:54] Reencoding: VID_00150 (50 of 62)
- [21:49:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00151]
- [21:49:57] Reencoding: VID_00151 (51 of 62)
- [21:51:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00012]
- [21:51:35] Reencoding: VID_00012 (52 of 62)
- [21:53:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00016]
- [21:53:37] Reencoding: VID_00016 (53 of 62)
- [21:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
- [21:57:24] Reencoding: VID_00006 (54 of 62)
- [22:01:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00192]
- [22:02:00] Reencoding: VID_00192 (55 of 62)
- [22:04:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00007]
- [22:04:58] Reencoding: VID_00007 (56 of 62)
- [22:12:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009]
- [22:13:04] Reencoding: VID_00009 (57 of 62)
- [22:22:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004]
- [22:22:35] Reencoding: VID_00004 (58 of 62)
- [22:32:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005]
- [22:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00005 (59 of 62)
- [22:45:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010]
- [22:46:00] Reencoding: VID_00010 (60 of 62)
- [22:52:53] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011]
- [22:53:24] Reencoding: VID_00011 (61 of 62)
- [23:00:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [23:08:39] Reencoding: VID_00003 (62 of 62)
- [23:08:39] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
[04:41:04]PHASE ONE complete
[04:41:04]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [04:41:04] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[04:41:35] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[04:41:35]JOB: MADAGASCAR_2_NA finished.

By the way, guys--just so my post isn't all buisness: Happy Holidays! Hope yours is going swell, and you're all enjoying yourselves.

cwh060 · 27th December 2009, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariachidude

I get the errors 20 seconds into the whole process so I am still trying to figure out what the problem is. I truly appreciate your help. Thanks

-Mariachidude

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

Code:

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
  - Source:  DISTRICT_9
  - Input BD size: 38.89 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
  - Target BD size: 22.46 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
 - [10:39:05] Collecting video information
   - Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Reached retry limit.  Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted

I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwh

jdobbs · 27th December 2009, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwh060

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

Code:

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
  - Source:  DISTRICT_9
  - Input BD size: 38.89 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
  - Target BD size: 22.46 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
 - [10:39:05] Collecting video information
   - Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Reached retry limit.  Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted

I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwh

I'll pick it up and try it.

Capsbackup · 27th December 2009, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwh060

I get the exact same thing, I have the correct ffdshow, haali and avisynth. Ripped the Blu Ray twice with Any and still, 20 sec in get the error. I've checked, rechecked the ffdshow settings and still no success.

Code:

[10:39:02] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta)
  - Source:  DISTRICT_9
  - Input BD size: 38.89 GB
  - Approximate total content: [03:43:51.701]
  - Target BD size: 22.46 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[10:39:04] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [10:39:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_05022]
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022 (1 of 48)
 - [10:39:05] Collecting video information
   - Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 144 frames
 - [10:39:05] Reencoding: VID_05022, Pass 1 of 1
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Encode failed.  Retrying.
  - Reached retry limit.  Aborting.
[10:39:06] - Failed video encode, aborted

I've tried older BDRE version with the same result. I'm stumped.

cwh

I was able to do a full disc backup to BD-25 of this same movie, Region A.( post # 6422 & 6425 above )
Make sure you only have the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders in your source folder. Interesting that my source file size is less than yours but the time is exactly the same.

My guess is you don't have something setup correctly or another codec pack is the problem.
Make sure, especially if you updated ffdshow to check your video decoder settings again.

cwh060 · 27th December 2009, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

Make sure you only have the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders in your source folder. Interesting that my source file size is less than yours but the time is exactly the same.

My guess is you don't have something setup correctly or another codec pack is the problem.
Make sure, especially if you updated ffdshow to check your video decoder settings again.

I have both the BDMV and Certificate folders in my source for sure.

Only codec pak I have is ffdshow.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled ffdshow so many times now and still I get the same error.

Maybe a clue - I tried BDRB when no ffdshow was installed and the encode error came up, it's almost like BDRB can't find ffdshow.

Update 1 - I tried a few more things, running ccleaner and cleaning out the registry settings, removing folders etc. Then re-installed ffdshow rev3133, haali, and avsynth 2.7. Looks promissing now, at least it's plowing through the vids at this point.

Update 2 - Well it ran through, it reduced the main VID_00011 from 22G to 4G and 984kbs. I've set it up again with a higher quality setting and two pass encoding. 500% reduction is just a bit too much on the main movie :-)

cwh

Race Guy · 28th December 2009, 04:23

jdobbs...., could you explain what effects the options on this HIDDENOPTS line will have?

DEINTERLACE=n n = 0/1/2 - 0=Off (not recommended), 1=Standard Mode, 2=Standard without blending

I just did a 1080i TV show & it has that "unwatchable stutter" on slow pans after rebuild. Any suggestions on which of the above "numbers" might help me out?

Thanks & have a Happy New Year!

25th December 2009, 19:13	#6435 \| Link
writersblock29 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 618	I'm having trouble with Madagascar 2; the main English HD track (converted to 640kbps AC3) and the English commentary track are trying to play at the same time... it sounds as if they are interweaving with each other. FFdshow and Haali are installed as per the versions linked on the front page of the thread. AVIsynth is version 258, but I had the same issue with the version linked on the front page. I did make a tweak to the hidden settings; I ran this disk as a one-pass CRF=18, since I planned on placing this backup on my HTPC's hard drives and only wished to whittle away as much space as I could without noticing a quality hit. I'm posting my logs, which hopefully will help. BD Rebuilder's setup file: [Options] FIXED_CRF=18 MODE=0 AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng; SUBS_TO_KEEP=all SD_CONVERT=0 COLOR_BOOST=0 RESIZE_1080=0 DTS_REENCODE=1 AC3_REENCODE=1 AC3_640=1 KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0 AVCHD=0 REMOVE_WORKFILES=0 AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0 SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0 CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=23450 TARGET_SIZE=23000 ENCODE_QUALITY=3 ONEPASS_ENCODING=1 [Paths] SOURCE_PATH=D:\BLURAY RIPS\MADAGASCAR_2_NA\ WORKING_PATH=C:\USERS\JEFF\VIDEOS\BD REBUILDER PROJECTS\ Log: ---------------------- [21:21:09] BD Rebuilder v0.31.05 (beta) - Source: MADAGASCAR_2_NA - Input BD size: 42.31 GB - Approximate total content: [03:35:33.928] - Target BD size: 22.46 GB - Windows Version: 6.1 [7600] - Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640 [21:21:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding - [21:21:09] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00185] - [21:21:10] Reencoding: VID_00185 (1 of 62) - [21:21:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00186] - [21:21:20] Reencoding: VID_00186 (2 of 62) - [21:21:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00188] - [21:21:29] Reencoding: VID_00188 (3 of 62) - [21:21:37] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00183] - [21:21:38] Reencoding: VID_00183 (4 of 62) - [21:21:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00182] - [21:21:48] Reencoding: VID_00182 (5 of 62) - [21:21:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00184] - [21:21:56] Reencoding: VID_00184 (6 of 62) - [21:22:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00187] - [21:22:05] Reencoding: VID_00187 (7 of 62) - [21:22:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00181] - [21:22:15] Reencoding: VID_00181 (8 of 62) - [21:22:24] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00157] - [21:22:26] Reencoding: VID_00157 (9 of 62) - [21:22:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00161] - [21:22:39] Reencoding: VID_00161 (10 of 62) - [21:22:51] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00174] - [21:22:53] Reencoding: VID_00174 (11 of 62) - [21:23:05] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00177] - [21:23:06] Reencoding: VID_00177 (12 of 62) - [21:23:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00158] - [21:23:20] Reencoding: VID_00158 (13 of 62) - [21:23:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00170] - [21:23:35] Reencoding: VID_00170 (14 of 62) - [21:23:47] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00165] - [21:23:48] Reencoding: VID_00165 (15 of 62) - [21:24:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00173] - [21:24:02] Reencoding: VID_00173 (16 of 62) - [21:24:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00169] - [21:24:15] Reencoding: VID_00169 (17 of 62) - [21:24:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00159] - [21:24:28] Reencoding: VID_00159 (18 of 62) - [21:24:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00179] - [21:24:43] Reencoding: VID_00179 (19 of 62) - [21:24:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00178] - [21:24:59] Reencoding: VID_00178 (20 of 62) - [21:25:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00175] - [21:25:18] Reencoding: VID_00175 (21 of 62) - [21:25:32] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00171] - [21:25:35] Reencoding: VID_00171 (22 of 62) - [21:25:49] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00163] - [21:25:51] Reencoding: VID_00163 (23 of 62) - [21:26:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00166] - [21:26:08] Reencoding: VID_00166 (24 of 62) - [21:26:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00167] - [21:26:23] Reencoding: VID_00167 (25 of 62) - [21:26:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00162] - [21:26:39] Reencoding: VID_00162 (26 of 62) - [21:26:54] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00180] - [21:26:57] Reencoding: VID_00180 (27 of 62) - [21:27:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00189] - [21:27:19] Reencoding: VID_00189 (28 of 62) - [21:27:55] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00190] - [21:27:57] Reencoding: VID_00190 (29 of 62) - [21:28:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00108] - [21:28:39] Reencoding: VID_00108 (30 of 62) - [21:29:19] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00172] - [21:29:27] Reencoding: VID_00172 (31 of 62) - [21:30:04] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00168] - [21:30:08] Reencoding: VID_00168 (32 of 62) - [21:30:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00160] - [21:30:48] Reencoding: VID_00160 (33 of 62) - [21:31:25] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00176] - [21:31:29] Reencoding: VID_00176 (34 of 62) - [21:32:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00164] - [21:32:09] Reencoding: VID_00164 (35 of 62) - [21:32:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00156] - [21:32:49] Reencoding: VID_00156 (36 of 62) - [21:33:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00155] - [21:33:35] Reencoding: VID_00155 (37 of 62) - [21:34:44] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00013] - [21:34:53] Reencoding: VID_00013 (38 of 62) - [21:35:30] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00152] - [21:35:33] Reencoding: VID_00152 (39 of 62) - [21:36:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105] - [21:36:17] Reencoding: VID_00105 (40 of 62) - [21:37:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00112] - [21:37:12] Reencoding: VID_00112 (41 of 62) - [21:38:08] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00106] - [21:38:11] Reencoding: VID_00106 (42 of 62) - [21:39:06] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00014] - [21:39:17] Reencoding: VID_00014 (43 of 62) - [21:40:10] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015] - [21:40:14] Reencoding: VID_00015 (44 of 62) - [21:41:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00111] - [21:41:18] Reencoding: VID_00111 (45 of 62) - [21:42:17] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00113] - [21:42:21] Reencoding: VID_00113 (46 of 62) - [21:43:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00109] - [21:43:32] Reencoding: VID_00109 (47 of 62) - [21:44:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00110] - [21:44:48] Reencoding: VID_00110 (48 of 62) - [21:45:57] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00124] - [21:46:04] Reencoding: VID_00124 (49 of 62) - [21:47:48] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00150] - [21:47:54] Reencoding: VID_00150 (50 of 62) - [21:49:50] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00151] - [21:49:57] Reencoding: VID_00151 (51 of 62) - [21:51:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00012] - [21:51:35] Reencoding: VID_00012 (52 of 62) - [21:53:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00016] - [21:53:37] Reencoding: VID_00016 (53 of 62) - [21:57:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006] - [21:57:24] Reencoding: VID_00006 (54 of 62) - [22:01:46] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00192] - [22:02:00] Reencoding: VID_00192 (55 of 62) - [22:04:33] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00007] - [22:04:58] Reencoding: VID_00007 (56 of 62) - [22:12:43] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00009] - [22:13:04] Reencoding: VID_00009 (57 of 62) - [22:22:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00004] - [22:22:35] Reencoding: VID_00004 (58 of 62) - [22:32:00] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00005] - [22:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00005 (59 of 62) - [22:45:31] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00010] - [22:46:00] Reencoding: VID_00010 (60 of 62) - [22:52:53] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00011] - [22:53:24] Reencoding: VID_00011 (61 of 62) - [23:00:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003] - [23:08:39] Reencoding: VID_00003 (62 of 62) - [23:08:39] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02] [04:41:04]PHASE ONE complete [04:41:04]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started - [04:41:04] Rebuilding BD file Structure [04:41:35] - Encode and Rebuild complete [04:41:35]JOB: MADAGASCAR_2_NA finished. By the way, guys--just so my post isn't all buisness: Happy Holidays! Hope yours is going swell, and you're all enjoying yourselves. __________________ Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice?" --George Carlin Last edited by writersblock29; 25th December 2009 at 19:15. Reason: Logs didn't attach.

24th December 2009, 14:11	#6424 \| Link
Capsbackup Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,995	@jdobbs; Success with District 9, the 2 pass without "Quicker Encodes For Extras" came out perfect. Of course, this should not really come as a suprise though. All extras came out 9.35GB with an average bitrate of over 7800kbs, and the main feature was 12.8GB and had 11,062kbs. The time difference to make a full backup is quite longer though, at just over 12 hours, but the accuracy is right on. I use to use this setting all the time, then switched because of the speed increase. I am rethinking this now!

24th December 2009, 19:49	#6430 \| Link
laserfan Aging Video Hobbyist Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off the Map Posts: 2,461	But don't discs typically have other tracks on them which are just plain DIFFERENT from the "lossless" track--so people compare and choose the lossless, but they've compared oranges to apples. In any case it's easy to decide that for all future decisions I will always choose MA/HD over any other. But it seems we've gotten sidetracked from Capsbackup's issue, which was "I left 16Gb for video but got only 6".

25th December 2009, 01:34	#6431 \| Link
ron spencer DVD Magistrate Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sodor Posts: 991	Can you notice a difference? Sure you can, but NOT when you are watching and listening. The average person cannot in this context. When I watch a movie, I notice no difference between any of the lossless stuff or simple AC3, nobody I know can. HOWEVER, if I listen to a DVD-A, when I am only listening (and others as well), then yes, I can easily hear the difference. The human brain has too much to do to notice a difference when using the auditory and visual senses at the same time.

25th December 2009, 01:40	#6432 \| Link
RB Newbie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14	After doing a successful rebuild of an MPEG 2 encoded BR, my second and third attempts failed on VC-1 encoded discs. The failure was at the start of the encode. I'm running XP Pro SP3 with WMP 10. Installing WMP 11 wasn't an attractive option as WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) is something I try to avoid due to hassles when changing my hardware configuration. I managed to get the Microsoft VC-1 codecs from MSDN here "Windows Media Format 11 SDK"; http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bb190309.aspx I found the link to the MSDN download here; http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-112634.html Before loading the VC-1 codecs, I cleaned my system of a couple of codec packs I'd added in the past along with a couple of video programs including AVItoDVD. After loading the VC-1 codecs I can play m2ts files from the 3 BD discs in WMP 10. BD Rebuilder also runs successfully in one pass encoder mode. My problem is I only have one pass CRF and ABR choices in the encoder menu. No two pass choice is shown. I have uninstalled avisynth, ffdshow, Matroska Splitter, deleting the BDR installaion directory and then re-installed all recommended versions (avisyth 2.57, ffdshow 3133, Haali Media Splitter 1.9.42.1, BDR 3105) and configured ffdshow mpeg2 to libavcodec. The successful rebuild of the VC-1 encoded BD (Earth Disc1 BBC version Region 1) was done with ffdshow VC-1=disabled but changing it has no effect on the encoder options in BDR. I noticed that there was no 2 pass choice in the encoder settings while working on the rebuild failures before loading the VC-1 codecs from MSDN and unless I've lost my mind, it was there when I did my initial rebuild of the mpeg 2 encoded BD. Any help would be deeply appreciated. When I noticed the 2 pass encoder choice missing, I figured I'd resolve my VC-1 issues first and it would probably be something easy to find but I've run out of things to try. I can post the BDR ini file but I haven't modified anything (except the ffdshow settings mentioned).

25th December 2009, 02:06	#6433 \| Link
Capsbackup Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,995	Just select, under encoder settings, "High Quality(Default)" and you will get a 2 pass encode. If you want 2 pass encodes for all files, uncheck "Quicker Encode For Extras" under the Mode tab.

25th December 2009, 17:53	#6434 \| Link
bole25 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10	I am having problema with the movie, AMERICAN GANSTER. I tried several times to make the process to make one 25GB (Full backup). But in some part of the movie the quality slow down very hard. This BD movie have the Theater version and the Extended version. In the BD-RB, the aproximate contect is 05:47:23. The audio movie are: Japanese, English (DTS and Stereo), German, Italian and French. Besides this, I make 2 test, with "Quicker" ecode for extras, selected and unselected. The same history... in some parts of the movie the quality is very ugly. When the BR-RB process is finish, the size of the file is 22.1 GB, low than other movies that I did before. What could be the problem?

28th December 2009, 04:23	#6440 \| Link
Race Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61	jdobbs...., could you explain what effects the options on this HIDDENOPTS line will have? DEINTERLACE=n n = 0/1/2 - 0=Off (not recommended), 1=Standard Mode, 2=Standard without blending I just did a 1080i TV show & it has that "unwatchable stutter" on slow pans after rebuild. Any suggestions on which of the above "numbers" might help me out? Thanks & have a Happy New Year!