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24th April 2012, 00:32 | #10581 | Link |
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How did you executed the HQV Color Up-sampling test i guess you compared the Cards on their native EVR results did you used a Player for that ? Also the Noise test is this based on Luma and Chroma in the Intel Control Panel ? I wish you would have compared AMDs 2nd Generation Video Research of the 7000 series here too if i supply you with a test sequence could you test this on the Intel Deinterlacer on Ivy Bridge, though i guess the test system is not in your possession anymore ? Seeing the old Generation scoring so good just let my jaw drop and i would say ATI is back though without a real competitive next Generation complete compare between Nvidia, Intel and AMD it's hard to say GT 430 is hardly comparable with the 680 and the improvements there on the Video part (though comparing Intels partly fixed function Hardware Deinterlacing with Nvidias and AMDs Shader based is not really fair so the highest Class of Cards needs to be compared to get a General idea of where everyone stands andyvt i guess you know that but there are too much frame variations in the Deinterlace and Upsampling Screenshots frame accuracy is key here else this is pretty useless to compare (though even better would be full Video Compares no still frames anymore), but anyway overall on the right track
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This issue is a major source of frustration for WMC users, and no one wants to take ownership (IMO it's MS's issue to fix). The idea behind including it in this review (and future ones) is 1) to provide an easy documented solution to end users who encounter it and 2) raise awareness around the problem so hopefully someone does something, even if they don't really own it. Sure. |
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Look here http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...&postcount=619
the source is on top results bellow it but i guess not much will have changed here
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Why offer an option that doesn't work? Even more so, one that resets on its own all the time? Anyway, its sad such a trivial issue will force me to install a GPU in this box. Well, to be honest the iGPU wasn't fast enough for madVR to be 100% reliable anyway, 720p60 content wasn't handled fast enough. Sadly the AnandTech HTPC review didn't use 720p content, because with madVR 1080p actually has less load then 720p (1080p does not need Luma scaling)
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I didn't check actual GPU loads (yet), but i did see it drop quite some frames. This is with M-N for Chroma and Lanczos3 for Luma (my preferred settings) I also only have a rather old driver (2598 or something, came with the board), but i couldn't find a better one on the Intel page, so stuff may improve.
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24th April 2012, 07:40 | #10591 | Link |
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Funny thing is that with my 5450 (yeah, already ordered 7750) I only got issues with 1080p and only with present queue. I mean with prev. madVR versions and only sometimes. So I wonder what is the difference for present queue between 1080 and 720 scaled to 1080 (which plays fine)? This question is related to comments above and not to madVR itself
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With provided i assume you mean to you directly? Sadly their download page doesn't have anything above the 2598, and Intels 2712 download is still passworded.
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Is the RGB-HDMI black level issue only in IvyBridge?
My HTPC has a SandyBridge connected the same way and the black levels are perfect. I have Panasonic plasma (50" V20) with excellent black levels - makes it very easy to spot wrong settings. I personally don't use MadVR, I use EVR. EVR results were missing from the Anadtech review. EVR-CP provides worse results at worse performance. I don't see a reason to use it in SandyBridge or newer platforms. 8 tap Lanczos exhibits too much ringing (in upscaling). For MadVR, probably better (quality wise) to use 6 taps or even Bi-cubic. In order to achieve Lanczos4 (8 taps) sharpness without (or little ) ringing, one needs a context adaptive algorithm like EVR provides. I hope MadVR will add this. BTW, latest drivers on Intel's site is v2656.
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EVR-CP is an open source project that implements EVR's interfaces. Using EVR (in SNB/IVB) you'll get: * Context adaptive scaling * Deinterlacing and all video post processing algorithms found in the iGPU control panel. If the display is connected to a dGPU, EVR will use that GPU's video processing algorithms including a scaler. Quote:
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OEMS/ISVs can get the latest drivers and tools from Intel's Validation Internet Portal.
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Great review jakmal...finally one focused on HTPC use with LAV/mad. Anyway after reading it, I'm now doubtful if a CPU upgrade on my Shuttle HTPC from a i7-2600K's 3000 iGPU (needs a BIOS upgrade) for a i7-3770 4000 iGPU is going to give that much of a bump. At present I have to use non-tap scalers (eg Mitchell-Netravali) to prevent dropping frames (render queue issues) on 1080/50i/p or 60i material, and that works perfectly. While I'm not interested in OC the mem on a HTPC to get a "just works" soln (esp a Shuttle), I did read you were using the 4 Tap Lanczos scaler, how was it with 3 Taps on 1080/60i marterial - does it still drop frames?
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I went back to DDR3-1333 and the performance is quite bad even for the M-N algo. If you are going to use madVR, I don't suggest using DDR3-1333. Also, 720p60 drops frames even with DDR3-1600, and Hendrik reports that it is the case even with DDR3-2133. So, yes, lots of caveats apply to the LAV / madVR section of the review I posted. |
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No, it affects SNB as well, and i assume all others as well.
The config screen is just lying to you. It offers an option to switch between limited and full range, but when i do, it doesn't change the video at all, and next time i change resolution or reboot its reset to the old value. My TV is calibrated for full-range RGB, and i would like to keep it that way. It doesn't crush blacks or anything, that part is under control, but it just doesn't send full range RGB like i want it to. Its a simple driver problem. Quote:
This is why EVR-CP or madVR are much better, even if you lose the (limited) hardware scaler. I'm happy with my madVR configuration, imho it looks better then EVR. Not to mention that i can calibrate to fit my display 100% with madVR. PS: EVR-CP (and to some degree madVR) offer the same deinterlacing and other processing. Not that i would want any post-processing except deinterlacing. Quote:
Considering IVB is even native 1600 now, getting 1333 seems just dumb.
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